Character select screen?

[ShortcutButton]

This is not as simple as "put him next to Ness". Combining Ness with Lucas makes EarthBound a series and needs to be placed accordingly. There are three places they could possibly put the two: in their Japanese placing (after Kid Icarus), their American placing (after Starfox), and after Pokemon, to signify DLC.

All 3 placements work in the 3DS version IF they place Shulk out of the third party and into where he is on the Wii U version. On the Wii U, American and DLC placings work, but the Japanese one doesn't; the third row protrudes and if you try to fix it it's misaligned. What do you think will happen?

 

[Putuk]

I really don't see how this is an issue in any way.
They'll figure something out, end of story.
If they run out of space after characters are added and want to add more, they'll find a way to make room; they want those sweet DLC moneys.

 

[DoubleYooToo]

It's actually going to be super awkward because Mewtwo and Lucas are being added at the same time. They'd have to move Duck Hunt Duo to the top row, next to Little Mac, since that's how the space fillers work. Ness and Lucas would then slot right in where Marth and Ike are, and the second row would end with R.O.B and Captain Falcon. The problem arises when the Fire Emblem characters need to be moved into the third row. There's no way to fit everyone in there. A row has room for 13 characters, but with Fire Emblem, Kirby, Star Fox and Pokemon combined that's 14. They've been so strict with keeping it all in chronological order for each series that the only thing they could do is move Pokemon to the next row, and fill in the rest of row 3 with Villager, Olimar, Wii Fit Trainer and Shulk. But then row 3 would be smaller than row 4, which would ruin the shape the CSS has going. A possible solution would be moving the "clone corner" to the end of row 3, after Villager and Olimar, and having the bottom row consist of Pokemon, Wii Fit Trainer, Shulk, and then the 3rd parties.

It'll either completely break the pattern, or move around a lot.

 

[ShortcutButton]

It's actually going to be super awkward because Mewtwo and Lucas are being added at the same time. They'd have to move Duck Hunt Duo to the top row, next to Little Mac, since that's how the space fillers work. Ness and Lucas would then slot right in where Marth and Ike are, and the second row would end with R.O.B and Captain Falcon. The problem arises when the Fire Emblem characters need to be moved into the third row. There's no way to fit everyone in there. A row has room for 13 characters, but with Fire Emblem, Kirby, Star Fox and Pokemon combined that's 14. They've been so strict with keeping it all in chronological order for each series that the only thing they could do is move Pokemon to the next row, and fill in the rest of row 3 with Villager, Olimar, Wii Fit Trainer and Shulk. But then row 3 would be smaller than row 4, which would ruin the shape the CSS has going. A possible solution would be moving the "clone corner" to the end of row 3, after Villager and Olimar, and having the bottom row consist of Pokemon, Wii Fit Trainer, Shulk, and then the 3rd parties.

It'll either completely break the pattern, or move around a lot.

Thank you. You can explain things much better than me.

Another possible solution is to just give the 2nd row 14 characters and have it protrude a bit (akin to how the CSS looks like without unlocks). This keeps Fire Emblem in the 2nd row, R.O.B. and Falcon in the third, and Villager and Olimar in the fourth. It will look like an inverted pyramid in the bottom three rows, and that's okay. There is going to be more DLC anyway.

 

[PKBeam]

So the current Wii U CSS looks like:
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Lucas and Mewtwo are most likely going to be added like normal characters, so for the least disruption combined with a neat appearance I think something like this would be good:




Falcon being moved to row 4 and ROB to row 1.

 

[RobinOnDrugs]

Honestly the roster now feels near perfect with Mewtwo and Lucas added to it.

 

[DoubleYooToo]

So the current Wii U CSS looks like:
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Lucas and Mewtwo are most likely going to be added like normal characters, so for the least disruption combined with a neat appearance I think something like this would be good:




Falcon being moved to row 4 and ROB to row 1.

No, that completely ruins the pattern.

-R.O.B can't go before Duck Hunt
-Ness and Lucas are either considered a series and put in between Kid Icarus and Fire Emblem, or they're separate and Lucas slots in between Olimar and Wii Fit Trainer. Lucas being after Ness in the "lone representatives at the end of the roster" list doesn't make any sense.






This is the only setup that would satisfy every rule about character chronology in the layout.






This is what it would look like if they did away with the stupid clone corner ****.

Additionally, here's the 3DS screen, before and after:




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[Kevandre]

I wouldn't be shocked if they did like a DLC folder like Mortal Kombat 9 has.

See, the bottom left and right hand corners expand to let you choose the DLC characters. Depending on how many DLC characters Smash will get (And I think it's fair to say probably a few since they're doing voting things), this might be a good plan of attack and just put it next to the random button.

 

[ItsZyker]

TBH I would much rather if , , , , and become non-clones than more DLC.

 

[Maxoxpower]

it's hard to make a css roster if you can buy the character you want....

 

[ShortcutButton]

Additionally, here's the 3DS screen, before and after:




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I don't think that after part would satisfy, as are in their own area of third-party/other. Obviously Shulk isn't a real third party (Monolith Soft is a first-party developer for Nintendo), and I'd like to see the Smash team fix this, so here is the best they can do:





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Also, here is another look they could give the Wii U version:

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Note the 2nd row, which contains 14 chracters instead of the percieved 13. This is definitely the least intrusive to the current look; we'll get our rectangle another day, as there looks to be much more DLC on the horizon.

 

[PKFreeze89]

They will either put him in the last row with Mewtwo or next to Ness.

 

[DoubleYooToo]

I don't think that after part would satisfy, as are in their own area of third-party/other. Obviously Shulk isn't a real third party (Monolith Soft is a first-party developer for Nintendo), and I'd like to see the Smash team fix this, so here is the best they can do

No, that's not right. If that was the case, Shulk would be placed after the clones on the Wii U character select screen. The rules are consistent between both versions. Shulk goes at the end of the "lone representative space filler" characters. The reason he's at the start of the bottom line in the 3DS version is that it would look too strange if the bottom line was only 5 spaces (4 without Mii Fighters enabled) The third parties stay together, yes, but it's more likely that Mii Fighter has been with them in both versions of the character select screen because It stays with the random button, and trumps all other rules to be at the end of the roster.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Here's what I want to see for the CSS

Wii U

Spoiler: CSS

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Spoiler: Changes

- All the Nintendo series have been placed in the same chronological order (except the Mario and DK series, which are placed before , the Mario spin-offs, although they still technically count as part of the Mario series, and the Miis)
- and have been swithced around so the Mario characters would be in chronological order
- Moved besides the main Mario series, removing the separation between Mario veterans and newcomers
- The Gen 1 Pokemons are in order of appearances in Smash (except , who's last because DLC)
- All Pokemons are now in chronological order
- The Mii Fighters are now on the far left of the bottom row since they technically are Nintendo characters
- There are now 2 rows of 14 (looked at the Wii U CSS, 14 is possible if they make each character box a bit thinner), 1 of 13 and one of 11, leaving enough space for 5 additional DLC characters without creating rows of 15

3DS

Spoiler: CSS

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Spoiler: Changes

- Series with multiple characters are in chronological order (except Star Fox and Pokemon, due to the large roster of the latter)
- Nintendo series with only one character also follow their own chronologial order too (except the Mario spin-offs, although they still technically count as part of the Mario series, and the Miis)
- and have been swithced around so the Mario characters would be in chronological order
- Moved besides the main Mario series, removing the separation between Mario veterans and newcomers
- The Gen 1 Pokemons are in order of appearances in Smash (except , who's last because DLC)
- All Pokemons are now in chronological order
- The Mii Fighters are now on the far left of the bottom row since they technically are Nintendo characters
- There is enough space for 2 DLC characters without the need of a second page

EDIT: Edited the 3DS CSS in case Wolf gets confirmed at E3

 

[Spazzy_D]

Why does everyone forget about the "next page" buttons that were found with the stage icons when the 3DS game was datamined?

These buttons will likely be used to access any DLC characters. As far as the Wii U version goes, I would imagine that any additional characters will be accessed through a DLC button that opens a submenu in your portion of the selection screen. It would basically function identically to the way the Mii Fighter does. This way the current character selection screens will not have to be altered at all.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Why does everyone forget about the "next page" buttons that were found with the stage icons when the 3DS game was datamined?

These buttons will likely be used to access any DLC characters. As far as the Wii U version goes, I would imagine that any additional characters will be accessed through a DLC button that opens a submenu in your portion of the selection screen. It would basically function identically to the way the Mii Fighter does. This way the current character selection screens will not have to be altered at all.

I didn't forget about them at all, but right now, the 3DS CSS has enough space for 4 additionnal characters. Since only 3 of them have been confirmed (including a character from the Ballot), they have no importance and will most liekly be used when the first page gets full.

 

[Spazzy_D]

I didn't forget about them at all, but right now, the 3DS CSS has enough space for 4 additionnal characters. Since only 3 of them have been confirmed (including a character from the Ballot), they have no importance and will most liekly be used when the first page gets full.

Adding the DLC button would balance out the bottom 2 rows. I wouldn't think that they would want to mess with the CSS order when they already have a device like the buttons in place.

We'll see, I guess.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Adding the DLC button would balance out the bottom 2 rows. I wouldn't think that they would want to mess with the CSS order when they already have a device like the buttons in place.

We'll see, I guess.

Again, I think they'll only use it when the first page runs out of space, but yeah, we'll see.

 

[ShortcutButton]

Mewtwo was released and probably set the formula for the css from here on out.

Here is the Wii U version right now:



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I'm 100% sure they'll slot Lucas below Ness and move Miis/Random over.

Here is the 3DS version right now:





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Relatively simple place for Lucas.

I really like the way Smash Team can immediately put in any without having to move stuff around too much with this. I just hope they don't create any new problems like they already have.

 

[NerdThomas3]

3DS Currently.. And with the addition of Lucas (4/15/15)





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[A-money2121]

Considering Mewtwo was placed in the "third party" section, I would assume the same would go for Lucas.

 

[ZeldaPlayer87]

It goes Main, Clone, 3rd Party, DLC, Miis, Random. That seems to be how it is arranged.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

It goes Main, Clone, 3rd Party, DLC, Miis, Random. That seems to be how it is arranged.

Personally, I would've prefered Main -> Clone -> DLC -> 3rd Party -> 3rd Party DLC (if any) -> Miis -> Random

 

[Deleted member]

I was about to post that Kevandre. Lol

 

[IrkenPPG]

I really don't like the placement for the DLC characters. It's wierd enough having Lucas away from Ness or Mewtwo away from the Pokemon cast but Roy is just uhh. So Marth, Ike, and ERobin are somewhere on the second row now, Lucina is somewhere on the bottom left, and now Roy is somewhere on the far bottom right. It's really wierd for the placement of the DLC characters. It should have been a simple put Lucas next to Ness, Mewtwo next to Greninja,etc.