"C-Bouncing" - the Hybrid of B-stick and default controls.

[PKBeam]

Original Brawl thread (This also applies in Smash 4).
This technique was discovered by a Brawl Lucas player, Galeon and documented by HailCrest.​

C-Bouncing is the name given to a set of controls that allows for easy wavebouncing while retaining smashes/tilts on the C-stick.

1. Set any shoulder button to Special (e.g. L, R or Z)

Note: Although this works with any button, you'd have to use an awkward clawing grip to execute it.​

2. Enter Training Mode.
3. SH forward.
4. Press your Special button and flick the C-stick backwards at the exact same time.
5. Voila - wavebounced PKF.

Although it has limited application, C-Bouncing is useful for people who want to wavebounce. This control setup has a high learning curve but it combines the best of both worlds.

Check out the original thread for a full explanation.

 

[MrWhYYZ]

I will practice this. I've given up being able to do 1 footstool rep consistantly when I switched to -sticking but this might push my Lucas over the edge.

Edit: I don't think this works in Smash 4 tbh. I keep getting wavebounced PK-freeze. I think it has to do with the way inputs are prioritized in Smash 4 compared to Brawl.

 

[PKBeam]

It works for me.
You have to do Special and C-stick inputs at exactly the same frame.

 

[MrWhYYZ]

It works for me.
You have to do Special and C-stick inputs at exactly the same frame.

I've slowed it down to 1/4th in practice mode but I still can't get it. I always get wavebounce PK-freeze.

 

[Tommy - S.N.]

Oh yeah, I forgot about this.

 

[PK_Lunar_π_03]

I got it I do a wavebouce pk fire so idk

 

[MrWhYYZ]

So I did more training mode because I want this in my life.
I've actually never played brawl (I do have it thanks to PM) so I've tested it in that game as well.
It literally took me 2 minutes to get consistant at this on brawl.
So there must be something going on in the way that smash 4's processes inputs.

Turning Alternate smash on/off doesn't matter.
Alt. smash is Smash4 exclusive and changes priority of your moves. If you press A+B with alt.smash on in the air you get a N-air, without it you get PK-freeze. So, naturally you'd think that this makes it impossible to wavebounce since Attacks prioritize specials right? Well, not really. Apparantly the C-stick (When put on attack) doesn't give 2 cents about your attack input and just does what he wants. When L is changed to specials and Up-taunt to attack you can use L+Up-dpad to smash. But you can't use Specials+C-stick to do a smash so that means that C-stick doesn't do what it tells you it's doing what leads to this.

Changing Attack/Smash on the C-stick matters!
For some weird reason putting your C-stick on Attack results in a wavebounce PK-freeze. This makes absolutely no sense because you are infact holding forward and pressing Back thanks to the C-stick. Because C-stick+Special doesn't give you a smash ever you can test if your inputs get through or not and with attack they don't but on smash they do. However on smash you always get a B-reverse instead of a wavebounce and after even more training mode I've finally cracked it why it kept failing.

Brawl's troubleshooting still applies

• You do a short-hopped Bair (c-stick too early)
• You do a SHPKF, no wavebounce (c-stick too late)
• You PKF backwards but don't turn around at all (C-stick too late by 2-3 frames)
• A full-hopped wavebounced PK Fire (held your Jump button too long)
• Any combination of the above

But this needs to be added.
You do a Wave bounce PK-freeze. (Put C-stick on smash)
You PKF backwards but don't turn around at all (Held the C-stick too long)

The reason is very simple. In smash 4 you can charge your smash attack with the C-stick alone. It seems that the C-stick keeps pushing a direction and seeing how fuzzy inputs aren't a thing in smash you keep facing the wrong direction or when you do Attack no direction at all.

 

[Bill cipher3]

It works for me.
You have to do Special and C-stick inputs at exactly the same frame.

Yeah..... great....