Byleth Doesnt seem Slow

[Artmastercorey]

Byleth doesnt seem too slow to me in terms of her attacks. Maybe in terms of walking and running shes middle ground. She's deceptively quick like hero. Her attacks can come out quicker than you may think when you underestimate her.

 

[Arrei]

If you're calling her ground and air speed, which are literally some of the lowest across the entire roster, "middle ground", I think that suggests you need to reevaluate your definition of speed.

Byleth has some good options like tilts or Nair, but there are also a lot of serious commitments in the moveset. Side special in particular I have a bone to pick with as it seems like that thing is impossible to space safely yet its sweetspot isn't even that reliable at killing.

 

[Artmastercorey]

If you're calling her ground and air speed, which are literally some of the lowest across the entire roster, "middle ground", I think that suggests you need to reevaluate your definition of speed.

Byleth has some good options like tilts or Nair, but there are also a lot of serious commitments in the moveset. Side special in particular I have a bone to pick with as it seems like that thing is impossible to space safely yet its sweetspot isn't even that reliable at killing.

Thank you for your reply but no I dont need to reevaluate my definition of speed, its exactly as I said. When I say middle ground, im saying shes hovers around slow to middle area of speed when she walks but the point I was making was about her attacks which deceptively are quick. They dont have alot of cooldown as you may think.

 

[Arrei]

I mean, you actually outright said "Maybe in terms of walking and running she's middle ground" when they are literally one of the slowest characters on the roster, that colors what your interpretation of being fast means. On top of which the frame data of her other, non-meme attacks are pretty standard for a disjoint character - slow, in other words.

It isn't a matter of debate that they're slow, that's part of their basic design. That the moves don't "feel" slow to you doesn't change that their data is intentionally designed to be slower than other, non-disjointed moves.

 

[Nah]

We have the character's full frame data now as well as some of their mobility values now, so people can look at the numbers:

Frame data (has all the other characters on it too for comparison) - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...uuzIH2DB4iQHVrqiG8VRbRA7Q/edit#gid=1871771678

Mobility values+weight (from here) -
Weight: 97
Walk Speed: 0.8
Run Speed: 1.43
Air Speed: 0.89
Fall Speed: 1.6

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Mobility values+weight (from here) -
Weight: 97
Walk Speed: 0.8
Run Speed: 1.43
Air Speed: 0.89
Fall Speed: 1.6

That URL suggests that Byleth's walk speed value is 0.97. Does he walk faster than Bayonetta or Olimar? If not, then someone needs to correct the attribute values.