Bullfighting

[Mr.Lombardi34]

I don't intend this to be the same as another animal rights thread, thank you.

Now, I don't live in spain or anything, but I did learn about a famous bull fighting arena in spanish class. For those of you who don't know, here are the two basic things that can happen in a bullfight:

1. The fighter waves his cape to intice the bull to charge into it. The bull does this, and the fighter steps out of the way, sinking a knife into the back of the bull's neck. The fighter repeatts this until the bull dies.

2. Same thing, exept at one point, the fighter makes a mistake and the bull rams him, causing injeries. The fight is then over and the bull is stuffed back into it's cage until another battle. Eventually, the bull will die in a fight.

I for one think that having bullfights is inhumane. Now, we have been hunting and eating animals for years, but that is different. When shot, an animal almost always dies very quickly. Also, it has a purpose. We eat the animals to survive.

Bullfights, on the other hand, are useless. They provide entertainment, which is not a very good reason. Another thing is that it is torturous to the bull! It has knives jammed into it's neck one at a time until it dies of blood loss or pain. It's terrible.

What does everyone else think? I beleive that it needs to stop, it's unnbenificial, and inhumane.

 

[Ledger_Damayn]

It's not a very good answer, but humans have been pitting animals and other humans against themselves for entertainment for all of eternity. It may be inhumane, but what is entertaining and what sells will continue to exist indefinitely. Even if it's illegal, if profit can be made, it will still continue.

So, honestly, the best advice I can give is to not take part in these events. Because no amount of healthy debate or petition can stop stuff like this from happening indefinitely. If it's not bullfighting, it's something else.

 

[Scar]

Yeah, it's age-old tradition, it's not going anywhere. I don't think anyone is going to argue that it's humane, either, I'm pretty sure we all know it's a pretty senseless and terrible thing. Just so happens to be entertaining.

 

[gringo66]

I do think it is inhumane and wrong. however just like ledger said, no amount of much petition against this will make it stop. If one person decides not do it, another person will step in and continue.

 

[Teebs]

I agree with Scar. Bullfighting is tradition in Spain, and has been over many years. I also think that it is inhumane, but tradition is like the safety net for it. Unless something big goes through many people and the government that they can argue it's "inhumane-ness", it will stay.

 

[Caturdayz]

Well it is hard for me not to turn this into an animal rights thread, me being an animal rights activist, but I will try to keep it simple and just say this. It is wrong, it is murder, it is torture. However, people in America are just fine with the circus, who beat their elephants and train them through intimidation. They are fine with the zoo, who keep their animals pent up for their whole life so they may never see freedom.

America is fine with eating meat, the flesh ripped from the carcass of a dead cow. They're fine with milk, cheese, icecream, but they don't care what the cow had to go through. The same goes for eggs and honey as well.

I do agree that this is inhumane but PETA, ALF, ARM, The Justice Department et cetera have not been able to do anything, and really you shall be no more successful.

 

[Prince of Pain]

So, Caturdayz, would you have us all become vegetarians? Well, that's not much better, considering that plants are just as reluctant to become food as animals. By your reckoning, it seems that the only "humane" way to get nutrients into our bodies is to survive on vitamin pills or similar sources.

 

[Caturdayz]

Well its the old "tractor argument" rearing its ugly face again. Yes I would have you eat vegetation over animals, and no I am not saying that the only way to get food is through pills. Vegetables are incapable of feeling pain, pleasure, fear et cetera. They're one true function is to grow. Animals have intelligence, they understand the aforementioned feelings and have at least some purpose on this earth. I am open to debate on my veganism, however the "tractor argument" grows tiresome.

 

[Prince of Pain]

Well, while plants certainly don't feel pain, it is quite obvious that in general, they don't "want" to be eaten. Plants, like animals, evolve so as to have a greater chance of survival, and one of the means they use is to keep from being eaten through things like thorns or poison. Therefore, I would assume that they don't "want" to be eaten (as much as one can guess of the intents of something without any clear thought patterns).

However, your main argument also runs on the assumption that killing for food is evil or wrong, which is simply not how many feel, including every single predator in the history of our planet. The only real argument you have is that Americans eat meat such as steak that came from cows that were cruelly raised. Well, guess what? My school raises cows quite humanely on a diet grass, hay, and grain. When a cow is nearing the end of her life, the barn crew sends her off to a slaughter house to put her out of her misery. Cows are not milked if they are sick or a recently made mother (apart from the milk needed to be given to her calf) so I would have no qualms about eating the steak served at our cafeteria.

 

[Caturdayz]

However, your main argument also runs on the assumption that killing for food is evil or wrong, which is simply not how many feel, including every single predator in the history of our planet. The only real argument you have is that Americans eat meat such as steak that came from cows that were cruelly raised. Well, guess what? My school raises cows quite humanely on a diet grass, hay, and grain. When a cow is nearing the end of her life, the barn crew sends her off to a slaughter house to put her out of her misery. Cows are not milked if they are sick or a recently made mother (apart from the milk needed to be given to her calf) so I would have no qualms about eating the steak served at our cafeteria.

Alright, you killed a cow nearing the end of its life. I have two points here. First, why is it your call to make? If you beleive in god than it should be his... If you don't then let nature run its course.

Second, the majority of meat in America isn't grown that way. Almost every piece of meat on America's plate comes from hellish factory farms. The idea of vegetarianism is to take away the market for meat. There is no point for companies to waste their money if no one is going to eat it.

If you have a problem with my main argument I have a second one. Meat is horribly unhealthy, everything that you can get from meat you can get somewhere else without the cholesterol and fat. I used to be a meat eater but now the thought disgusts me.

EDIT: This is now way off topic... If you want to further debate this prince of pain meet me on the animal rights thread.