Behold! Some new videos for critiquing

[AceDudeyeah]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsElaVIshkI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLDnvGy-nc0

I know I have a lil' problem with rushing in sometimes. hehe, run into a forward smash against the black marth.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Woah woah woah. Waaay too many dash attacks. It's good that you're wavedashing back and looking for an opening, but the dash attack is super predictable and super punishable.

I like the use of the jabs though, it's very nice.

Don't be scared to go out and gimp him with the fair. Also edgehogging or lightshield edgehogging is your friend.

The utilt is a good attack but it doesn't have as much horizontal range as most of your other attacks. As such, you should try to use it after like a tippered fair or some such.

I would dash dance a little bit more, because righ now your approach is telegraphed a lot which is why you're eating a lot of fsmashes. Nice Ken combo though.

Second video.

HEY! Brawl nom nom noms your tech skill is MY line!

When you're edgeguarding Ganondorf, try facing away from the ledge and using a dair spike.

You're a little too predictable on the edge... try ledgestalling once or twice and then ledgehopping something so you don't get punished so much.

Your shffl'd nairs are pretty good, but your shffl'd fairs look a little high to me, so there's a lot of vulnerability time between when your fair ends and when you hit the ground.

I dunno how good of an idea trying to hit people with your recovery is. I would fastfall and then sweetspot, or if you're that high, hit them with a fair or a Counter, even. If you Dolphin Slash all the time, they could catch on and airdodge instead of attack, then land and punish your lag.

2:56 should've definitely been a ledgehopped dair for the spike. You seem averse to ledgehopping attacks, which is a little strange to me.

At 3:13 if you ledgehopped a uair or just ledgestalled, you would've been fine...

3:27 another ledgehopped dair for the spike...

You should really try not to descend straight onto someone. Yes, your dair has a lot of priority, but it still probably won't turn out well for you.

But yeah, ledgehops and dash dancing. Maybe a few more grabs. Oh, and definitely pursue people off the stage with softspot fairs for the gimp. Or even a reverse Dolphin Slash. And... yeah.

 

[AceDudeyeah]

Ah HA! So it was you I heard it from. Now I know who to credit "Brawl nom nom noms your tech skill." I heard that awhile back and just used it.

I think an edit on the youtube video is in order. "Brawl.....skill" ~by Elvenarows3000

I'll reply more later. Gonna play some more games and record them with my BRAND NEW CONTROLLER! (angels humming/singing chorus):embarrass

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Dude T_T What is with you and misspelling my name? T_T

 

[AceDudeyeah]

oh, oops. elvenarrow3000, singular. not plural. got it.

DUUDES! I figured out how to improve my dash dance. More like how Ken does it. You'll see it in my vids. I got some new ones: dash dance mindgames, with the hit to grab combos, vs Ice Climbers...uploading to youtube now.

Edit: Some better SHFFL fairs. and my youtube video's been edited to include the soon-to-be-famous quote by Elvenarrow3000!

Oh, yeah. About the ledgehop aerials. We have this game when edgeguarding Ganondorf. We call it "The Game". I use dtilts and Fsmash when he comes a lil' high, JSN just charges B with Marth. Fun game against Ganon.
But yeah, more ledgehops, I def. see where ledgehop dairs should be now.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Y'know, it's less effort to just type my name out the right way because it's one s shorter.

I look forward to the new vids though.

 

[AceDudeyeah]

Y'know, it's less effort to just type my name out the right way because it's one s shorter.

I look forward to the new vids though.

It's like I had this dude on my friends list on xbox live halo 2. we would play and **** as a team. We still do but he has a new name. But the name he had when I found him was beans3000
So that is unconsciously influencing my recall of your name. Proactive interference. (I love psychology). Dude, you should do a poll and see what people think sounds better. elvenarrows3000 or elvenarrow3000? eh? eh? come awnnn....I know you wanna. hehe.
2 outta 3 uploaded, h.o.

 

[AceDudeyeah]

Whoo-ha! I got 3 new videos.
But these were played before I had enough time to read all of your reply, arrow. yeah, dash attacks laggy. That's me trying to go into dash to utilts. overswarm tutorial and my friend getting those dash to utilits/upair combos makes me wanna do them to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di3jQeflaRY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgVwEQpJct0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOIlRC-VUfI
Marth vs, Kirby, Ganon, and IC's. In that order.
dude, dash dance mindgames in vs kirby at 1:10 and 3:03.
In vs IC's, from :34 to :38, is that how my fairs should be?
In vs. Ganon, I def. see how a dair woulda owned at :56. and lol, mindgames at 1:30.

 

[Retroking2000]

LOL . these vids are ~_~ fail .

now that i got that outta my system lets move on shall we . try kendashing moving back /forward and coming in with fast animation startup moves . learn that and youll **** **** me tells ! ya

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Tears of sephiroth are you... drunk? Your punctuation is very... creative...

Kendashing I'm assuming is foxtrotting back and forth. I find it's really useful when techchasing, but for approaches I'm more of a fan of pulsewalking. It's all personal preference though, I guess, but I'd rather sacrifice the fifteen frame wavedash lag than having to time pivots and such.

Yeah I didn't really watch all of the first match. The Kirby is pretty terrible, plus it's Kirby and there's really no justification for doing badly against Kirby.

There are a few times where you're edgeguarding with the bair when I think you'd be better off with a reverse dair but... yeah, do whatever you think you can recover from.

Ganondorf match.

You need to change the battery in your smoke detector.

0:19 you let him down too easily. Shffl uairs or utilt and keep him above you. Marth's upwards priority is what you want to abuse, especially on a stage like Battlefield.

Your fairs are still a little high.

0:23 why did you jump up there? He wasn't going to hit you and there's no reason you should be up there.

0:57 should've been a ledgehop reverse nair or at least ledgehop/ledgedash grab or fsmash or something. You totally let his lag go unpunished.

1:06 just drop through and throw out a fair or uair on the way down. It's faster.

1:12 don't recover straight down at him.

1:25 crouch to avoid the stomp from going through the platform and hitting you, then fsmash him for the kill. Same thing two seconds later.

1:29 go out and get him if he's recovering that high, or just fsmash him. You shouldn't let Ganondorf ever recover.

1:56 good job with baiting the get-up attack, but try running up and shieldgrabbing instead.

2:13 was scaaary for you. You're lucky he didn't fair or uair. Try to recover a tad lower. Also, you still had your second jump. What you could've done is DI back away from his stomp then doublejump over him and dair spike him.

2:19 you should really grab more.

2:22 I would drop a little lower before uairing to give you more time to combo.

Here's what you should do. Start up a match on Battlefield and stand under a platform. Fsmash left and right, then see where the blue arc pokes out over the platform. That's your radius of ****. Use it.

There're also a lot of times where it seems like you could grab instead of ftilt, then techchase into an fsmash or the like.

Ice Climber match.

Your friend can't desynch Ice Blocks. Tell him to just spotdodge and hold B until the first Block comes out, then tap B.

0:27 sweetspot the ledge. No reason not to.

You should wavedash more instead of rolling... I know you're capable.

0:34 running up to ICs and shielding is a really really bad idea... I don't really think this person knows what he's doing.

...yeah the IC player really doesn't know what he's doing. Play against the Ganon more.

 

[AceDudeyeah]

yeah, the ice climbers doesn't even grab. That's why I think I can get away with stuff.
Tears of Sephiroth, serious post?
What the dude is "try kendashing moving back /forward and coming in with fast animation startup moves ."?

Elven, here's what I'm going to do in the meantime. I'm gonna stop recording vids until I improve considerably. So I don't like come for every single thing.
I knew about the fsmash still tippering above platforms. See attempts sometimes.
Main things I'm getting is dash attack less, use more grabs instead of ftilts and dash attacks, upward priority.
Questions are what's pulsewalking? And are there anything else that combo into an fsmash besides dtilt, fairs, and throws?

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I think he means dash back and forth in an extended dash dance and approach with fast moves like the fair (four frames, not counting jump frames), the JC grab (seven frames), the nair (five frames) and the dtilt (ten frames)

You can keep loading videos, as long as they're against people around your level, I can tell you what you're doing wrong.

Pulsewalking is dashing forward and wavedashing back. It's pretty cool.

Isn't that enough for you to combo with? =P You can do like... shffl'd softspot uairs... sweetspot dairs... jabs sometimes... or just throw them out randomly after a backward wavedash.

 

[AceDudeyeah]

haha. there was this one group at my high school before summer started, we would bring a gamecube to lunch and play melee almost daily, even when this rich kid brought his wii and brawl in they would veto and go for melee. These kids are more hardcore than me. But the only videos of them are from before they learned all the advanced stuff like l-cancel.
Point is, when I learned how to wavedash, that's all I would do. Wavedash back and fsmash with Marth. haha, they owned me soo bad.

I just noticed, I got no videos of me vs JaSoN's Link. Link's his main. I will have to do that sometime. And get the Smash lunch group together again.

Pulsewalking is like dash dancing? Or you dash forward across the map and just before you get in range you wavedash back and see what they do?
If it's the 2nd one, I like doing that to new people and showing off the wavedash. They're like "OMG WTF how u do that?"

 

[battousai555]

Haha, you'd think a pro would be capable of giving good advice (maybe he was drunk...)! Elven has already said quite a bit, so I'll give my hay penny (.05 cents): well-spaced SHFFL'd fairs should be your main approach.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Yeah, the fair is probably Marth's best move.

Pulsewalking... here's Wes doing it to Mew2King.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jteRL6oxw1E

4:10 to 4:16

It's basically the reason I finally learned wavedashing.

 

[AceDudeyeah]

yup, that's definitely what I do to show wavedashing off to noobs. (once again, to me, noobs are people that spam c-stick on ground. to most everyone here I'm probably a noob. haha)

Daaang. Was that a serious match? Wes won with 2 SD's on purpose?

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Yeah that was back when M2K wasn't as good. I don't think he suicided on purpose though.