begining to evolve my fox

[XIII ways to die]

im adding the quick shine to so many of my attacks. i ask that someone give me some vids please of someone that can quickshine constently as someone would with the regular shine, thats wat im doing. for instance wave dashing out of quick shines. like you know how the waveshine waveshine is done well do wave quickshine wave quickshine and add that wave grab from the quickshine. stuff like that. ill be able to add a vid of me doing this soon.



point of the post i need vids of other people trying similar ways with the quickshine to beter my tech.

 

[FoxLisk]

do you mean multishine?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

you dont need doubleshine for anything other than shield pressure (even that is still not really needed). It can be used to edgeguard **** as well.

using it as like doubeshine wavedash grab is superfluous and doesn't serve a purpose

 

[XIII ways to die]

no it does it can prevent shieldgrabs. hitting them with 2 or 3 quickshines prevents them from teching.
theres more use to it than you think. for instant arial doublequickshine dashgrab out of quickshine.

 

[Silent Wolf]

It's not called quickshine, stop confusing people lol. Multishine or double/triple/etc shine.

It isn't necessary for preventing shield grabs, grab out of one shine does the same thing. What do you mean it prevents them from teching? As for aerial doubleshine, dair doubleshine only works on certain characters. Nair is only a good aerial if you're playing vs players that don't crouch cancel or if they're in the air, any other aerial is impractical to combo into shine and shouldn't be done like that.

 

[AprilShaw]

Does grab out of shine beat an equally fast grab (on a shield)? I'd assume yes but not sure. Seems to, at least, but that may be because of reaction speed and such.

Also, I'm a firm believer that multishine should be renamed polyshine. Isn't it such a cool word?

 

[Silent Wolf]

Does grab out of shine beat an equally fast grab (on a shield)? I'd assume yes but not sure. Seems to, at least, but that may be because of reaction speed and such.

Also, I'm a firm believer that multishine should be renamed polyshine. Isn't it such a cool word?

Yes.

Frame count:

1 - Shine hits shield
2
3
4
5
6
7 - Fox can jump
8 - Fox can begin his grab
9 - Player can start to grab you
10
11
12
13
14 - Fox's grab would grab here
15 - Player's grab would grab here

 

[NOz]

yo silent wolf. do you know that data off the top of your head or are you getting it somewhere? i remember reading a while ago when i was lurking around like a creep about some frame data thread which some doodlebob or some **** made. is that where all this is from? if it is can you throw me a link thanks.

 

[Silent Wolf]

yo silent wolf. do you know that data off the top of your head or are you getting it somewhere? i remember reading a while ago when i was lurking around like a creep about some frame data thread which some doodlebob or some **** made. is that where all this is from? if it is can you throw me a link thanks.

I got this from the fox advice thread. I only know this cuz i tested it cuz a lot of people were wondering about whether shine->grab was legit or not. i think theres a thread somewhere about shield pressure frame data and one m2k made somewhere (although he didnt use frame by frame mode for that, he just did the best he could to guess so idk how accurate it is) other than that idk.

 

[AprilShaw]

Timing's pretty strict on that but shine grab is too good :D

Thanks Silent Wolf.

I never really got in the habit of shine grabbing as Fox, I should really do it more often. Do it all the time as Falco @.@

 

[XIII ways to die]

you only think. ive been practicing this so much so that i can hit two multishines to a wave dash just as fast as some can shine wave dash. you can jump right out of the shine fast enough makin have no animation. you can quickshine just as fast. anyways its been workin for me so its style for style mate.

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

so in order for shinegrab to be legit, you have to be frame perfect?

 

[Silent Wolf]

so in order for shinegrab to be legit, you have to be frame perfect?

thats assuming theyre frame perfect as well. you have the advantage

 

[MT_]

Can you buffer a roll to escape shinegrab on your shield?

 

[Silent Wolf]

Can you buffer a roll to escape shinegrab on your shield?

yeah .

 

[giuocob]

thats assuming theyre frame perfect as well. you have the advantage

It's a great option, but I'd say they get the advantage, because you need 2 frame-perfect actions (the jump and the grab) while they just need 1.