Awesome idea for tournaments.

[Shariq]

Assuming Smash 4's online is great and works properly. Do you think it would be possible to have online tournaments. Like for example have people register here on Smash Boards with there Nintendo Network ID. Also have a live chat with only those who are participating able to join. That way everything can be organized. Players who are supposed to vs each other can swap ID's, there can be moderators for the chat. Of course there is like no hype because no one can see the matches except those playing each other. Plus there most likely will be some lag depending on the players internet connection and their ping. It could work to come extent.

Although Nintendo can probably do something really awesome and have an online tournament mode. Sort of like Mario Kart 8 but with more features. One person could start a tournament with whatever rule set they want. The tournament could have the option of being private so only people who have for example registered on Smash Boards beforehand and have been given a code can join. A separate code can be distributed so anyone who wants to watch, can spectate the whole thing. Imagine the possibilities with a really robust online tournament mode !!!! People like me who live too far to make it out to the real tournaments could finally have a way of being part of the community!

But that's never gonna happen. Not in Smash 4 at least. For Glory mode is the extent to which they will go for this iteration of the series.

 

[Canuckduck]

To be honest, online tournaments are only useful for FPS games (games that NEED to use online capabilities).

There are numerous potential problems with online tournaments:

• Lag
• Players getting accidentally dropped from games
• Long time to set up and organize matches
• Monetary rewards for tourneys aren't received directly

While I am in no way opposed to other games using online as a way to play competitively, unfortunately, Super Smash Bros. is not one of those games. Indeed, it is unfortunate, but I rarely see that it works.

As far as having online "competitions", Nintendo could set up periodic competitions like for Mario Kart Wii and the Check Mii Out Channel; an example might be who can win the most battles in a single week, or who can get more KO's with blue shells.

 

[Shariq]

To be honest, online tournaments are only useful for FPS games (games that NEED to use online capabilities).

There are numerous potential problems with online tournaments:

• Lag
• Players getting accidentally dropped from games
• Long time to set up and organize matches
• Monetary rewards for tourneys aren't received directly

While I am in no way opposed to other games using online as a way to play competitively, unfortunately, Super Smash Bros. is not one of those games. Indeed, it is unfortunate, but I rarely see that it works.

As far as having online "competitions", Nintendo could set up periodic competitions like for Mario Kart Wii and the Check Mii Out Channel; an example might be who can win the most battles in a single week, or who can get more KO's with blue shells.

Well I did mention the problems with lag. The tournaments don't have to be completely serious and strict. Plus I don't think monetary rewards are even a good idea for online Smash tournaments. Keep that for the proper tournaments. I see what you mean with the numerous issues.

 

[menotyou135]

To be honest, online tournaments are only useful for FPS games (games that NEED to use online capabilities).

There are numerous potential problems with online tournaments:

• Lag
• Players getting accidentally dropped from games
• Long time to set up and organize matches
• Monetary rewards for tourneys aren't received directly

While I am in no way opposed to other games using online as a way to play competitively, unfortunately, Super Smash Bros. is not one of those games. Indeed, it is unfortunate, but I rarely see that it works.

As far as having online "competitions", Nintendo could set up periodic competitions like for Mario Kart Wii and the Check Mii Out Channel; an example might be who can win the most battles in a single week, or who can get more KO's with blue shells.​

As an fps player it makes me cringe to hear that someone thinks online tournies are good for fps games. The only fps esport that takes online tournies seriously is cod, which is a joke to most competitive fps players. No person with any self respect would take an online tourney in halo, quake,or cs seriously. In most high level fps games having host on your team is like starting with an extra stock. LANs are the only tourneys that fps players care about except for a few game battle try hard kids with Google fiber who think they are good because they can eat bullets.​

 

[Canuckduck]

As an fps player it makes me cringe to hear that someone thinks online tournies are good for fps games. The only fps esport that takes online tournies seriously is cod, which is a joke to most competitive fps players. No person with any self respect would take an online tourney in halo, quake,or cs seriously. In most high level fps games having host on your team is like starting with an extra stock. LANs are the only tourneys that fps players care about except for a few game battle try hard kids with Google fiber who think they are good because they can eat bullets.​

What about Team Fortress 2 competitive play? It's almost exclusively online.

 

[menotyou135]

What about Team Fortress 2 competitive play? It's almost exclusively online.

I haven't paid much attention to tf2 unfortunately, but I know that a lot of people in the PC shooter crowd refuse to take it seriously because of its lack of lan support. Also it is online not because it wants to be, but because valve didn't give them any other options (if I remember correctly)

 

[Canuckduck]

I haven't paid much attention to tf2 unfortunately, but I know that a lot of people in the PC shooter crowd refuse to take it seriously because of its lack of lab support. Also it is online not because it wants to be, but because valve didn't give them any other options (if I remember correctly)

There is a "lab" (lobby) support.

Click here.

Also, there are plenty of potential options for playing competitively, but they choose to do so online.

 

[menotyou135]

Also it is 6v6 so host isn't as important as some other shooters

 

[menotyou135]

There is a "lab" (lobby) support.

Click here.

Also, there are plenty of potential options for playing competitively, but they choose to do so online.

typo ( on phone). I meant lan

 

[Canuckduck]

Also it is 6v6 so host isn't as important as some other shooters

There are also "highlander" matches; 9 v 9.

typo ( on phone). I meant lan

I see. Yeah, I suppose so, but I've always seen LAN parties as inefficient.

 

[JoeInky]

There's nothing stopping you from setting up an online tournament for smash 4, it's just you won't be able to stream it unless either the players do or you join there game but not actually play. Though you'd have to restrict entry to people from only one region and even then lag can still be a problem depending on if Smash 4's netplay is any good this time around.

I've played in a couple of online P:M tournaments and it was fine.

 

[Shariq]

Dammit. Looks like my idea is bust. Can a mod close this thread please. I feel so dumb for typing up all that.

 

[JoeInky]

You shouldn't feel dumb - you've learnt a little something and you could still host an online tournament, just be prepared for everything that comes with it, good and bad.

Online tournaments are great for people who don't have much of a local scene but you'd be surprised at how many people you might find in your area if you start looking around on the regional boards and social media and all that, it's why I'm thinking of becoming a TO for smash 4 & P:M, because there's more people in my area than I thought.

Being dumb is having a question about something and not asking about it if you ask me.

 

[Shariq]

You shouldn't feel dumb - you've learnt a little something and you could still host an online tournament, just be prepared for everything that comes with it, good and bad.

Online tournaments are great for people who don't have much of a local scene but you'd be surprised at how many people you might find in your area if you start looking around on the regional boards and social media and all that, it's why I'm thinking of becoming a TO for smash 4 & P:M, because there's more people in my area than I thought.

Being dumb is having a question about something and not asking about it if you ask me.

Yeah, its just that I live in Australia. So there are very few Nintendo fans as there is. At least from what I can tell. Not one person in my whole grade is a Nintendo fan. Plus from my friends outside of school only 2 of them like Nintendo. So finding competitive Smash players is even harder. Granted I haven't looked that deeply into the competitive scene here. I will when Smash 4 releases though.

 

[LiteralGrill]

@ Shariq don't feel down man. Online events can't replace in person by any means, but they are certainly doable. AllIsBrawl made a TON of its life on having events and a ladder done on WiFi. When I was the leader of the PSASBR community, we had netcode WORSE THEN BRAWL and our ENTIRE competitive scene was online. (Which we did similar to how you decribed, a live chat with moderators and a bracket you could see online.) We had ONE in person event EVER and it was a botched horrible experience.

If you want to find people to play online you'll be able to. Depending on how the netcode is written you might even be able to play people in the states quite decently if you have a neutral host with good internet (and if your net is good as well).

People will definitely be hosting online events just like they did in Brawl (I'll probably even run a few.) So keep your chin up man!

 

[pickle962]

Oh gosh, all this talk about online tournaments has got my competitive heart a flutter! October 3rd, where u at?

 

[Cap'nChreest]

People literally did this exact thing with Brawl. They probably still do.