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Around the World: "Real Men Use Items"? Only in America

Kirby King

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After <a href="http://smashboards.com/blog/2007/12/03/real-men-use-items-sakurai-explains-the-friends-list-on-brawl/">today’s Dojo update</a> was revealed, there was quite the uproar among fans who had eagerly awaited a fantastic update. It wasn’t because Sakurai didn’t deliver on the <a href="http://smashboards.com/blog/2007/10/10/nintendo-press-conference-of-doom-07/">former North American release date</a> for Brawl, nor was it that the update on friend codes was uninteresting and unenlightening. The crazy reactions stemmed from just one screenshot in particular, for a reason having nothing to do with friend codes at all:
<p align="center"><img src="/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/wi-fi03_071203c-l.jpg" height="315" width="400" /></p>
“Real men use items”? Is Sakurai playing with our minds? Does this confirm Item Switch has been removed? (No.) Does he have some massive amount of disdain for tournament players? I suspect not. But to investigate this a bit further, we’ll need to take a trip around the world.



We’ve dabbled before in the process by which the <a href="http://smashboards.com/blog/2007/10/16/a-glimpse-behind-the-dojo-doors-and-brawl-itself/">Dojo is prepared for American audiences</a> from the Japanese incarnation, and further still in how the <a href="http://smashboards.com/blog/2007/08/18/regional-variations-and-the-dojo/">different regional sites still vary sometimes from the Japanese</a>. While most translations are reasonably close to the original text, this isn’t always the case: sometimes, what appears on the English site bears no resemblance to what appears on the Japanese one. Remember when we learned that <a href="http://smashboards.com/blog/2007/11/13/your-ike-is-a-hampster-and-your-samus-smells-of-elderberries/">each character has three taunts</a>, each of which contains its own user-configurable message? Here’s that shot, from the English site:
<p align="center"><img src="/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/technique07_071113k-l.jpg" height="315" width="400" /></p>
And now, the Japanese:
<p align="center"><img src="/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/technique07_071113k-l.jpg" /></p>
I won’t blame you if you can’t translate the Japanese. I can’t either, which is why I asked SamuraiPanda to tell me what everyone’s saying. King Dedede says, “Let’s go with curry,” while Wario says “So what?” and Snake says “Ahahahaha.”

So the Japanese site has different taunts than the English site. Reading what each character says on the English version, this makes some sense: “Right back at ya!” sounds awfully similar to a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirby:_Right_Back_at_Ya!">certain Kirby anime</a> that aired a few years back–and no, it wasn’t called “Let’s go with curry” in Japan, so that is purely an American reference. You may also remember Snake’s exuberant taunt as how <a href="http://smashboards.com/blog/2006/06/01/snake-snake-snaaaaaaake/">Sakurai revealed him on the old Dojo</a>—would he make fun of that so obviously here?

The culprit, so it would seem, would be none other than Nate Bihldorff, of whom <a href="http://smashboards.com/blog/2007/10/16/a-glimpse-behind-the-dojo-doors-and-brawl-itself/">Mic has already written</a>. Did you notice how the name of the player who declares that “real men use items” is also Nate? It’s not a coincidence. It’s the same Nate who’s been doing the translations for the Dojo, and happens to be the same Nate who <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEF_pp022PQ">showed off a demo of Brawl to the press</a> shortly before E for All.

Indeed, taking a look at the Japanese version of today’s update suggests that Nate took some creative liberties on some of the translations. Compare:
<p align="center"><img src="/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/wi-fi03_071203f-l.jpg" height="315" width="400" /><img src="/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/wi-fi03_071203fjp-l.jpg" /></p>
On the Japanese version, the player’s name is Pitamin (says SamuraiPanda, a play off of “vitamin”), and rather than “Me=Win,” he says, roughly, “Nice to meet you!” (anime fans may be familiar with the term “Yoroshiku”). Dedede’s name is “niceguy,” and his comment reads “Finished your homework?” At the bottom, the eggplant’s name is Hamo (not Skrai, as in the English version), and his comment reads “It’s cold, it’s cold I can play ’til 10″. Peach, as you might guess, is not named Nate on the Japanese version—rather, her name is Poema, and her comment reads “I finished the friend registration~ (^ ^)/” in, according to SamuraiPanda, a female tone.

So, Smashers can rest assured that today’s update, while perhaps a disappointment to some, was not meant to spite the Smash community—at least, not by Sakurai. Perhaps Nate was trying to stir up some controversy, but more likely was that he was just making a joke, albeit one that didn’t go over so well around here. (If you are reading this, though, Nate, it would be <em>hilarious</em> to see a player named “Mc128″ some day in a Dojo screenshot.) In any event, it’s just another way that things get twisted around in the localization process.
 

Blu-ninja

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ah well.
that works.

im glad nate is lightning up with these updates and making some funnies.

hopefully he wont go overboard with making controversy...


great find.
 

Firebert

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ah well.
that works.

im glad nate is lightning up with these updates and making some funnies.

hopefully he wont go overboard with making controversy...


great find.
True that! I wasn't sure what to think when I saw the "items comment," but now I realize that it was just a silly little prank. I also wasn't sure what to think of a male name for a Peach player! :p Jk!
 

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I don't see this phrase dying out in the community anytime soon. I sure love it, although I don't love the content, of course. Nate, whoever you are: Good sense of humor...:p
 

AniMaL 214

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haha ya i saw that nd was like....huh? lol but iguess it makes sense i mean wats the point of them putting so much time and effort in2 items if no1's gonna use them but its rob just nate screwing around good job
 

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I never thought the phrase was to offend tournament players in any way ^-^
I really ROFL'd when I saw that phrase though!
Why can't people see jokes as just... well... jokes?
 

Youkai Master

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Thank you, this was a much needed thread.

And to anyone who is doubting we'll get the option to turn off items, remember this screenshot: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various12/various12_071114a-l.jpg.

And also the same Nate in one of the E for All videos mentioned that the demo was programed to have items and that he was sorry for the people who play with "tournament rules", that they would have to cope with them for now.... he wouldn't say that if there would be no option to turn them off in the real game. In fact this "real men use items" thing is pretty much a throwback to that comment in the video.
 

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That reminds me of a shirt I saw which read "Real men are black" The same message is being shown here.

(Why does every thing have to be a test of my manhood?!):psycho:
 

nviv

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great article, and it appears we have at least limited control of items s oeven if we can't turn them off, which seems highly unlikely, they can at least be controlled to some extent.
 

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Actually, the sentence "Real men use items" might reffer to an other commonly used sentence "Real men use Peach". The sentence blends in well cuz "Real men use items" is displayed next to Peach.
But that's just me talking, it might just as well be a randomly chosen sentence that has nothing to do with Peach.
 

RedKnight

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No matter what I still say Sakurai told him to do it. I can see a little note at the bottom of the email from Skaurai that syasy "Bytheway, somewhere on this update say 'Real men Use Items'"
 

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pick up that pokeball!!!!!

I think sakurai told nate to do this. a few updates from now were probably gonna get a stage WITH NO EDGES !!!! (dun dunn dunnnnnnn)

Actually, the sentence "Real men use items" might reffer to an other commonly used sentence "Real men use Peach". The sentence blends in well cuz "Real men use items" is displayed next to Peach.
But that's just me talking, it might just as well be a randomly chosen sentence that has nothing to do with Peach.
lol !! I never heard the saying "real men use peach" before...

now PICK UP THAT POKEBALL BOIIIIII!
 

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Actually, the sentence "Real men use items" might reffer to an other commonly used sentence "Real men use Peach". The sentence blends in well cuz "Real men use items" is displayed next to Peach.
But that's just me talking, it might just as well be a randomly chosen sentence that has nothing to do with Peach.
Yeah I agree with this one.
 

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The whole theory that "Real men use Items" stems from "real mean use Peach" makes alot of sense to me. That or it was just a joke period... either way people take things to serously.

I want a T-Shirt of this....
 

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Real men use items. Real men use Peach. Peach is a women (or so we think! o_O). So real men are women.

Ya, no one gets jokes these days. And then idiots over the internet believing 4chans that Nate hates tournament players...please. Even if he did, he is in no position to talk. *points at Nate almost getting KO'ed in a 2 minute match against a level 3 computer* So he was joking. End of story.
 
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