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Apex 2015 - Character Viability by results

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Tempus

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Now that the Apex 2015 results for Smash 4 are out, I thought I would do a few semi-statistical reviews. The first thing I wanted to do was a character viability chart. I've taken the top 128 players from the Apex 2015 results, and weighted their character use on a scale that varies by their placing. I then assume that while top players at Apex may not play the best character, they will nearly always play a viable character.

Is this a tier list? Maybe. However, it isn't an objective ranking of how good or bad a character may be, but a subjective ranking of which characters that 128 of the best Smash players in the world think are viable enough to compete with. Thus Diddy being at the top does not mean he is the best character, just that he is almost certainly a viable one. Without further ado...


Exceptionally Viable
:4diddy:°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°:4sheik:°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°
Certainly Viable
:4sonic:°°:rosalina:°°:4olimar:°°°
Probably Viable
:4ness:°:4luigi::4megaman:°:4zss::4fox:°:4littlemac::4falcon:°:4pacman::4robinm::4darkpit:°°
Possibly Viable, but in doubt
:4duckhunt::4wario::4mario:°:4pikachu::4rob:°:4greninja::4pit:°:4dk::4yoshi:°
Unlikely to be Viable
:4jigglypuff::4peach:°:4bowserjr::4bowser::4wiifit::4kirby::4dedede:°:4charizard::4tlink::4lucina::4lucario::4shulk::4marth::4villager:°
Not Viable
:4drmario::4falco::4ganondorf::4gaw::4myfriends::4link::4metaknight::4miibrawl::4miigun::4miisword::4palutena::4samus::4zelda:


How to read:
Each dot represents a full weighting unit of 1. So Sonic is two points higher than Rosa, who is two points higher than Olimar, who is two points higher than Ness.
Notes:
After playing with many weightings, the weighting scale used between characters is not terribly important, except for DHD and Pacman - both of whom had very few representatives but one placed very highly. In the end I decided to use the following weighting in order to place those two in the middle of the pack, as can be expected from the performances of their representatives at Apex.

Captain Falcon is probably less viable than projected here - he had many players using him, but none who placed particularly well. In this case, I believe it would be safe to say he is more popular than he is viable, skewing the results.

I did not include doubles results in the above - G&W, Villager, Ness, and Luigi became notably more viable in doubles play.

The performance or lack of performance of certain players impacted many characters due to the very small data set of 128 players. Notably: Ness, Megaman, Little Mac, ZSS, and Pikachu may have underperformed. Oddly enough, Rosalina and Olimar are not affected by Dabuz's performance, nor do the placings of Robin, DPit, Pit, or Greninja vary much. Lastly, Fox, Pacman, DHD, and Wario may have overperformed. Over or under performance is defined here as being significant enough to shift more than two placings in either direction.

Characters in the not viable group did not receive any representation in the top 128 that I could discern. Characters with no representation are deemed non-viable by consensus - if they were viable, presumably they would have been mained at least once, as the character average representation should be between 2 and 4 given a perfectly even distribution.​
 

Makorel

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I think I'm a bit confused. Nairo did use Pit (with the dark color alt) in one of his matches in top 16, though he did lose that one. The only Dark Pit I saw was in pools.

Edit: Nevermind reading comprehension kicked in.
 
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It's too early in the game to say who's viable or not, it's like what 4 months into a game
Yea yea correlation does not imply causation etc etc etcccccccc

This is good interesting data with well done presentation. Nice work!!
 

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This list is garbage. You can't expect this to be anywhere close to being accurate because it's just too damn early. Not to mention that Link is viable as hell in this game. Lol. The worst part is that this doesn't even need a thread. I expect this one to be locked soon.

Hint: Don't use the word "viable". Because that would make you wrong about loads of characters here. Not that we aren't already. We still don't even know who is bad in this game yet.
 
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deepseadiva

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This list is garbage. You can't expect this to be anywhere close to being accurate because it's just too damn early. Not to mention that Link is viable as hell in this game. Lol. The worst part is that this doesn't even need a thread. I expect this one to be locked soon.
You understand it's merely data presentation?
 
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Ok diddy may be dominant atm, but as the meta grows people will create an anti diddy thing and more will be learned by those low tiers.
 

RIP_Lucas

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Characters like olimar and rosalina are hard to call right now because they play so different than other characters. Even sonic benefited from a bit of obscurity that arise from this being the first major tournament. As much fun as 6WX and Dabuz were to watch, even the announcers often said things like "i think..." it "i've never seen that" a lot, so I doubt the eventual tier list will look too much like this.

Besides diddy and sheik, it's still wide open.

Nairo's talked about how underrated Zelda is, ZeRo has talked about picking up shulk, I'm sticking with lucario being high tier guaranteed, link is too low on this list, and a lot more.

Plus, I think little mac is too high, the only match I saw him used was a fast and definite loss, and they switched after, so there's that. Granted, it was 6WX he was fighting, but picking mac was a definite mistake by MVD
 
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