Aerial smash moves

[Apparentlynew]

Searched for it and couldn't find it; I was wondering if anyone thinks aerial smash moves might get implemented in Brawl.It would certainly expand aerial combat.

 

[mario-man]

I think that aerial metagame is fine just like it is. But I suppose that there is a very slim chance of it.

 

[freddybones]

yeah, arial gameplay already dominates ground gameplay.
hell, that's half the reason I even hit the ground. to smash. adding a smash in the air would pretty remove all reason (expect grabs) to fight on it.

 

[Ikural]

i wouldnt like airiel smash attacks
i think they should keep airiel fighting the same

 

[RVD_fan]

Yeah I don't think they should make it good strategy to stay in the air the whole fight

 

[Superstar]

Many aerial moves ALREADY have almost the same power as ground smash moves, or at least more than strong attacks. Any more power, and no one would stay on the ground at all.

 

[Apparentlynew]

I didn't mean it as a suggestion, I was trying to anticipate changes they'd make to the gameplay. I agree, generally, that melee is a nearly perfect game. However, I think we should expect that not everything we're familiar and comfortable with is going to transfer over. Especially since the only thing I've heard about gameplay changes that seems to come from Sakurai's (sp?) mouth is that aerial combat will be more of a focus. Yes, some aerial moves are very powerful in melee, but what if that changed in Brawl? What if they take away the knee, the falco dair, the sheik slap, and all the other toys we're used to?

 

[Superstar]

I just noticed another thing.
When shuffling, I like to hold the control stick in the direction and press A. For smashes, you would HAVE to let go of the control stick. and then smash it. Its not that hard, but it makes it slightly hard to control your aerial movements, which Nintendo wants to be "simple"

I don't know, might be a possibility, we do not know what Brawl is going to do.

 

[Adi]

I doubt they'll include aerial smashes but they might include some type of aerial throw.

 

[Devastlian]

This would mix stuff up rather nicely...Each character would have four new aerial moves. They'd have to decide which of the existing directional aerials are tilts and which are smashes and then fill in the blanks...Sounds interesting.

 

[Tristan_win]

Not only would it make doing aerial moves in general extremely over power especially for characters that have multiple jumps but also it would make doing normal aerial attack very hard to do without DIing.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Aerial Smash Moves

No.

Message is too short so im posting this as filler.

 

[Devastlian]

Another thing they'd have to consider...Would the right thumbstick do aerial tilts or aerial smashes? If it does aerial tilts would they change it's ground usage to do ground tilts (and maybe get rid of smash charging)?

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Aeriel smashes would destroy the game. They wont be in it most likely.

 

[RVD_fan]

I don't like the idea of no Smash Charging. Then the C-stick would become even more overused.

 

[Devastlian]

Ya, it probably make it a bit awkward and difficult to be precise. Kinda fun looking at the option, though. :/

 

[Superstar]

Another bad thing about aerial smashes, what will C-stick do? You need it for shffled up-airs, so now imagine if it did a smash. :? Mario really needs those SHFFLAUAs.

 

[Devastlian]

Ya, I mentioned that in post thirteen.

Also, wouldn't it be SHAUAFFL's?

 

[RVD_fan]

And imagine an in the air down smash? There goes the the usefulness of DK's downB

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

I don't like the idea of no Smash Charging. Then the C-stick would become even more overused.

Why does c-stick use bother you? Im curious. It's not overused its just really helpful in controling your DI with the control stick and doing aerials with the c-stick. And c-stick smashes are slightly faster.

But yeah, if there was no smash charging the c-stick would be exclusivly used for smashes. Smash charging is realllly cool, I find, its got many uses, and its always nice to see a sleeping jigglypuff and get an evil grin as you fully charge and hit with the smash of your choice.

Or even more evil with mario : Cape jiggles like 6 times before she wakes up (cape adds damage and doesnt wake her up) Then kill her with a nice sweetspot forward smash as doc, or a nicely charged upsmash with regular mario. I think marios upsmash is more powerful than his sweetspot forward smash, not sure though. Either would work fine, its jigglypuff we're talking about.

 

[RVD_fan]

Well, I don't like people who exclusively use the C-stick to use smashes. Using once in a while during a tight situation is fine, but alot of people call it the noob stick. I wouldn't really know cause I never really use it.

 

[Devastlian]

I think that was taken out of context...I meant take out smash charging if the right thumbstick was used for ground tilts if aerial smashes were implented and the c-stick was used to do aerial tilts. Otherwise keep smash charging.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Well, I don't like people who exclusively use the C-stick to use smashes. Using once in a while during a tight situation is fine, but alot of people call it the noob stick. I wouldn't really know cause I never really use it.

Anyone who calls c-stick the noob stick is just being a John.

If you don't use the c-stick for your aeriel attacks you should, or you're going to be 3 or 4 stocked by people who will read your DI. Since everytime you do an air attack without the cstick, you're DI'ing in the direction of your attack, which is too obvious of an approach. Also it's extremly difficult, if not impossible to spike someone with a dair without fast falling if you don't use the c stick.

SHFFLING is also easier with the cstick as you can do the air attack of your choice with the cstick and fast fall at the exact right time with the control stick.

Eliminate these opinions on the c-stick from your game, or you will never improve.

Introducing : The scrub

The scrub would take great issue with this statement for he usually believes that he is playing to win, but he is bound up by an intricate construct of fictitious rules that prevent him from ever truly competing.

Historical Scrub: Neville Chamberlain. He didn't even try to win, instead offering "appeasement" to Hitler.

truly competing

 

[RVD_fan]

I haven't played Melee for quite a while now. I use to be dominent, even winning some pro tournaments, but I'm melee retired. I'm focusing my attention towards Brawl now.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

I haven't played Melee for quite a while now. I use to be dominent, even winning some pro tournaments,

Really? Without the c-stick? You must have mad-skills, or the tournaments you went to weren't that good. Not like Im psychic, but it's one of the two.

Oh, and your ****ty hockey team got pwnd by the Glorious Epic Holy Templar knights of the Canadians. Toronto sucks!

(read your location.. and its my hockey instinct to trashtalk leaf fans)

If you're not a leafs fan then forget it

 

[RVD_fan]

One tournament I saw the 1st person I ever saw who actually was very good with Bowser. And there some pretty good players there (I even beat some Marths.)

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

One tournament I saw the 1st person I ever saw who actually was very good with Bowser.

You sound like a cool guy, heh when I get my WII and Brawl we should do a few online matches

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YbKWcU6_v8U

If you like seeing good bowsers, and havent seen Arash's combo video, watch it immediatly.

I might be mistaken, but I think there's footage of him killing KEN'S Marth in that video. I havent watched it in awhile.

Anyhow Arash is one of my smash heros.

Edit : Nope, it isnt ken. didnt think so.

 

[Superstar]

If you don't use the c-stick for your aeriel attacks you should, or you're going to be 3 or 4 stocked by people who will read your DI. Since everytime you do an air attack without the cstick, you're DI'ing in the direction of your attack, which is too obvious of an approach. Also it's extremly difficult, if not impossible to spike someone with a dair without fast falling if you don't use the c stick.

SHFFLING is also easier with the cstick as you can do the air attack of your choice with the cstick and fast fall at the exact right time with the control stick.

Eliminate these opinions on the c-stick from your game, or you will never improve.

Actually, I also use the A button for my aerials, using C-Stick only for SHFFLADA and SHFFLAUA [shuffled up and down airs]. But maybe that's because I'm a Mario player. Imagine me using F-air while moving back, or using back-air while moving forward. Not much point. Also, I shffl fair, nair, and bair with the A button, as I tend to make my my attacks rising. For Bair, I fastfall after my attack, but I mostly go for SHABAWDs [Shorthop-ABA-Wavedash]

I also use C-stick a LOT on the ground, mostly for quick combo finishers, and crouch-cancelled attacks. Everything else, like attacking during my opponents stun time, I use the Control stick, and charge it a little.

 

[mario-man]

Did you guys actally know that you can charge a c-stick smash if you hold z right after you hit the c-stick, but of course you have to hold the c-stick too.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Actually, I also use the A button for my aerials, using C-Stick only for SHFFLADA and SHFFLAUA [shuffled up and down airs]. But maybe that's because I'm a Mario player. Imagine me using F-air while moving back, or using back-air while moving forward. Not much point. Also, I shffl fair, nair, and bair with the A button, as I tend to make my my attacks rising. For Bair, I fastfall after my attack, but I mostly go for SHABAWDs [Shorthop-ABA-Wavedash]

I also use C-stick a LOT on the ground, mostly for quick combo finishers, and crouch-cancelled attacks. Everything else, like attacking during my opponents stun time, I use the Control stick, and charge it a little.

Yeah, when you want to move in the direction of the attack it makes no difference c-stick or A button. I shouldn't have implied you should use it for all your air attacks, my bad. But if you shun the c-stick completly you can never do tons of things that you could DIing with the controlstick and air attacking with the c-stick like jumping backwards to a knee with falcon (quite a useful CF skill to have)

And yeah I knew about charging C-stick smashes but it feels awkward to me, Im much more comfortable charging with the control stick and A button, since getting the smash off quickly is no longer an issue.

 

[mario-man]

I'm having a hard time getting used to the C-stick. Is it just me or did anyone else have to get used to it??

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

I think most people charge with the control stick, quicksmash with the c-stick. Id be intrested to hear of someone who charged with the c-stick, I dont know anyone that does.

 

[mario-man]

That would be an interesting person. lol
Why should you charge with the C-stick, when you can charge with the control stick, which is much easier to do.

 

[Justin]

I don't remember where I read it..in this one thread. Someone called the c-stick the "noob stick". Come the **** on..

Anyone who says that..or types it is high on crack.

 

[Malificent]

Aerial smash would be pretty sweet. But what about Aerial grabs? Think of the combo possibilities. Grab in the air, down throw into a spike O.O... heh, that'd be pretty sweet. But the lag time between to throw and spike would be to long :'(

 

[RVD_fan]

Really? Without the c-stick? You must have mad-skills, or the tournaments you went to weren't that good. Not like Im psychic, but it's one of the two.

Oh, and your ****ty hockey team got pwnd by the Glorious Epic Holy Templar knights of the Canadians. Toronto sucks!

(read your location.. and its my hockey instinct to trashtalk leaf fans)

If you're not a leafs fan then forget it

Yes are team sucked this year. I don't even watch them much anymore. My other favorite team, San Jose, did well however.

 

[AlPhAsTaTuS]

ok

it would be cool if you could make stronger attacks in the air

but they would certainly take more time to resolve