advice for marth matchup needed

[matricide]

I have a bunch of trouble fighting a tornado spamming metaknight. Sorry there is no video but any help would be appreciatied.

 

[Steel]

counter it

 

[matricide]

the lag on the counter makes it unreliable sometimes. especially if it goes downsmash -dodge tornado-counter fail. my game and watch does much better because of the key and my wolf and olimar **** him. it just seems he out prioritizes him with his speed, sword, and 12 percent grabs. Marth does what 3 to 4 percent(no attacking).

 

[Warlock*G]

I'd say this is all about timing. Sometimes I can forward Smash Metaknight out of his tornado. I do it both as Wario and as Marth, but I find Marth has an easier time doing it because of his reach (although the timing's still difficult).

Practice makes perfect?

 

[matricide]

one thing that pisses me off about this metaknight is that he will use it from afar and drive through if I pressure him. por ejemplo, I managed to get three fairs off and he is around 60 while im around 20 and in the middle of the fair he spams the b button and recovers to the middle of the stage(above off left side of stage 1 jump). He was just scared and managed to get away, thats so gay. but anyway he cought up using that three times also he complains that I manage to not get out of it all the time because I DI well. Both sticks as a precaution.

but you can only hit him out of it the first half second of startup. same goes for side b. But side b is easy cuz I just grab him out of it.

mk has too many invincible frames.

 

[matricide]

warios f smash has super armor I though it would be easier for him. I wanted to get good with him (wario) but his nose looks like a red retired pickle.... he is still a boss though.

 

[alchfilosofer]

one thing that pisses me off about this metaknight is that he will use it from afar and drive through if I pressure him. por ejemplo, I managed to get three fairs off and he is around 60 while im around 20 and in the middle of the fair he spams the b button and recovers to the m........

Por ejemplo en ingles es: for example.