Adventure Mode Idea: Rivalries

[APC99]

OK, here's an idea (and for the record, the idea came from Street Fighter X Tekken, NOT PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale):

Character Rivalries.

Characters would have rivals in the Adventure/Story Mode that they encounter several times, once after the first level, one halfway through, and one before the boss. Rivals shouldn't be straight-on villains, like Mario w/ Bowser or Link w/ Ganondorf, but rather opponents equal to them, such as Mario v. Wario, Mewtwo v. Lucario, Yoshi v. Kirby, Bowser v. Donkey Kong, Zelda v. Peach, etc.

Discuss who would be who's rival, if it's a good idea or not, would it be in, and more.

 

[Mr.Universe]

OK, here's an idea (and for the record, the idea came from Street Fighter X Tekken, NOT PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale):

Character Rivalries.

Characters would have rivals in the Adventure/Story Mode that they encounter several times, once after the first level, one halfway through, and one before the boss. Rivals shouldn't be straight-on villains, like Mario w/ Bowser or Link w/ Ganondorf, but rather opponents equal to them, such as Mario v. Wario, Mewtwo v. Lucario, Yoshi v. Kirby, Bowser v. Donkey Kong, Zelda v. Peach, etc.

Discuss who would be who's rival, if it's a good idea or not, would it be in, and more.

The rival thing is actually a somewhat common thing in fighting games. That being said, I would like it and I'd love to see Pokemon Trainer vs Olimar or ROB vs Mr. Game & Watch.

 

[BlitznBurst]

Sonic vs Mario is a pretty obvious choice (even if the Sonic vs Mario rivalry isn't really even a thing now)

 

[APC99]

Here's my list, so far:

1. Mario and Wario
2. Luigi and Ness
3. Peach and Zelda
4. Bowser and King Dedede
5. Donkey Kong and Yoshi
6. Diddy Kong and Falco
7. Link and Ike
8. Ganondorf and Wolf
9. Toon Link and Lucas
10. Samus and Captain Falcon
11. Pit and Marth
12. Ice Climbers and Villager
13. R.O.B. and Mr. Game & Watch
14. Kirby and Meta Knight
15. Captain Olimar and Red the Pokemon Trainer
16. Fox and Pikachu
17. Jigglypuff and Mii
18. Lucario and Mewtwo
19. Sonic and Mega Man
20. Little Mac and Wii Fit Trainer
21. Solid Snake and Pac-Man (I don't know where this came from, but I like it )

So, there you have it. That's my two cents. However, I wouldn't object to Mario v. Sonic, Mario v. Mega Man or Mario v. Pac-Man either.

 

[YeppersPeppers]

I've got a few:

Olimar VS. Villager
Stage: Garden of Hope
Villager is just minding his own business, when he comes across some odd looking plants sticking out of the ground. Assuming that they are simply weeds, he plucks them, only to find that they are Pikmin. The Pikmin start to swarm him because they think he is their leader. Olimar sees this going on in the distance, and believes that the Pikmin are under attack by Villager, so Olimar rushes to the scene and confronts Villager. Villager tries to gesture that it was a misunderstanding, but Olimar doesn't pay attention to him. Battle start.

Wii Fit Trainer VS. Wario
Stage: Wii Fit
Wii Fit Trainer is jogging down a path on Wuhu Island when she stumbles upon Wario lazily sitting under a tree stuffing garlic into his mouth. She becomes absolutely disgusted with what she sees, and immediately runs over to Wario. Using a series of drawings, she tells Wario that she is going to help him get in shape. Wario just farts. Wii Fit Trainer grabs Wario's moustache and drags him away. She decides that the only way to fix this mess of a man is the beat him into shape. Battle start.

Chibi-Robo VS. Pikachu
Stage: Some sort of Pokemon stage
Chibi-Robo is in serious trouble! His battery is almost depleted, but there are no electrical sockets to plug into. Suddenly, he comes across a sleeping Pikachu. He notices the slight jolts of electricity sparking from the Pokemon's cheeks, and realizes that he might be able to use it's stored energy to recharge. In the rush of the moment, he attempts to connect his plug to Pikachu's tail. Bad idea. This causes Pikachu to wake up in pain and anger. Chibi-Robo, being completely unable to even speak or explain, has no choice but to defend himself from the angry Pokemon. Battle start.

 

[yoonb]

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These sound more like event matches to me than actual rivalries.

 

[YeppersPeppers]

These sound more like event matches to me than actual rivalries.

If I were to do rivalries in a Smash game, they would be in the style of Street Fighter 4's rival battles, with a pre-battle cut scene and everything. That's how I would like to see it happen.

Though, it would be cool if event matches had cut scenes. ~

 

[APC99]

If I were to do rivalries in a Smash game, they would be in the style of Street Fighter 4's rival battles, with a pre-battle cut scene and everything. That's how I would like to see it happen.

Though, it would be cool if event matches had cut scenes. ~

They're not doing cinematic cutscenes, but maybe when you select your character, on the other side your rival appears in another box titled "Rival" that lets you know you'll be fighting him. Of course, in-game cutscenes, like the ones in Melee, could work too.

 

[YeppersPeppers]

They're not doing cinematic cutscenes, but maybe when you select your character, on the other side your rival appears in another box titled "Rival" that lets you know you'll be fighting him. Of course, in-game cutscenes, like the ones in Melee, could work too.

I never said that that cut scenes to be cinematic. As you said, simple cut scenes using the in-game models would work just fine, but I feel that for the rival idea to work, an explanation on why character 'A' fighting character 'B' is little more significant than character 'A' fighting anyone else is needed, because without that explanation, the rival battles simply become just another battle with an opponent with nothing to make them feel special. There needs to be something.

 

[APC99]

I never said that that cut scenes to be cinematic. As you said, simple cut scenes using the in-game models would work just fine, but I feel that for the rival idea to work, an explanation on why character 'A' fighting character 'B' is little more significant than character 'A' fighting anyone else is needed, because without that explanation, the rival battles simply become just another battle with an opponent with nothing to make them feel special. There needs to be something.

Thank you for the kind criticism! I'll work on that using my templates for rivals tomorrow!

 

[Jumpman84]

I don't know if this would be off-topic and missing the point, but I always imagined special characters implemented into the game called Rivals. They would have the same physics and moves as playable characters, but specifically not be playable and only intended for special battles. Such ideas for these would be Pikachu vs. Meowth, Mario vs. Cosmic Clone, and Pokemon Trainer vs. Hugh. Not to mention Sonic vs. Shadow and Snake vs. Raiden possibilities...

 

[Morbi]

I've got a few:

Olimar VS. Villager
Stage: Garden of Hope
Villager is just minding his own business, when he comes across some odd looking plants sticking out of the ground. Assuming that they are simply weeds, he plucks them, only to find that they are Pikmin. The Pikmin start to swarm him because they think he is their leader. Olimar sees this going on in the distance, and believes that the Pikmin are under attack by Villager, so Olimar rushes to the scene and confronts Villager. Villager tries to gesture that it was a misunderstanding, but Olimar doesn't pay attention to him. Battle start.

Wii Fit Trainer VS. Wario
Stage: Wii Fit
Wii Fit Trainer is jogging down a path on Wuhu Island when she stumbles upon Wario lazily sitting under a tree stuffing garlic into his mouth. She becomes absolutely disgusted with what she sees, and immediately runs over to Wario. Using a series of drawings, she tells Wario that she is going to help him get in shape. Wario just farts. Wii Fit Trainer grabs Wario's moustache and drags him away. She decides that the only way to fix this mess of a man is the beat him into shape. Battle start.

Chibi-Robo VS. Pikachu
Stage: Some sort of Pokemon stage
Chibi-Robo is in serious trouble! His battery is almost depleted, but there are no electrical sockets to plug into. Suddenly, he comes across a sleeping Pikachu. He notices the slight jolts of electricity sparking from the Pokemon's cheeks, and realizes that he might be able to use it's stored energy to recharge. In the rush of the moment, he attempts to connect his plug to Pikachu's tail. Bad idea. This causes Pikachu to wake up in pain and anger. Chibi-Robo, being completely unable to even speak or explain, has no choice but to defend himself from the angry Pokemon. Battle start.

I think I would re-write that first rivalry.
Olimar vs. Villager
Stage: Smash Village

Villager is just minding his own business looking for a spot in the soft soil to dispose of a body, when he comes across some odd looking plants sticking out of the ground. Assuming that they simply cannabis leafs, he plucks them and rolls them... lights it up, only to find that they are Pikmin. The Pikmin start to swarm him because they think he is their leader. Olimar sees this going on in the distance, and believes that the Pikmin are under attack by Villager (as evidenced by a bloody ax and a dismembered body), so Olimar rushes to the scene and confronts Villager. Villager lights up a Cuban Cigar and flips off Olimar, but Olimar doesn't pay attention to him. Battle start.

I tried to use your format and keep it mostly the same. Feel free to edit your post and include this rivalry instead!

 

[YeppersPeppers]

I think I would re-write that first rivalry.
Olimar vs. Villager
Stage: Smash Village

Villager is just minding his own business looking for a spot in the soft soil to dispose of a body, when he comes across some odd looking plants sticking out of the ground. Assuming that they simply cannabis leafs, he plucks them and rolls them... lights it up, only to find that they are Pikmin. The Pikmin start to swarm him because they think he is their leader. Olimar sees this going on in the distance, and believes that the Pikmin are under attack by Villager (as evidenced by a bloody ax and a dismembered body), so Olimar rushes to the scene and confronts Villager. Villager lights up a Cuban Cigar and flips off Olimar, but Olimar doesn't pay attention to him. Battle start.

I tried to use your format and keep it mostly the same. Feel free to edit your post and include this rivalry instead!

Oh, if only I could like this more than once. ~

 

[Zink Imp]

A rival scene a la Street Fighter I would love to see with Samus and Mega Man.

 

[Bowser D.X]

Kirby vs Jigglypuff. Who is the ultimate puff ball?

 

[Morbi]

Kirby vs Jigglypuff. Who is the ultimate puff ball?

No point in this rivalry. Everyone already knows that Jigglypuff is the ultimate puff ball.

 

[yoonb]

No point in this rivalry. Everyone already knows that Jigglypuff is the ultimate puff ball.

Actually....

Spoiler

EDIT: Awk, I don't know how to do spoilers lol
EDIT 2: Never mind, folks. I got it.

 

[D-idara]

No point in this rivalry. Everyone already knows that Jigglypuff is the ultimate puff ball.

I would link that one cutscene from the SSE to prove you wrong, but Sakurai goes all boohoo when people do that.

 

[Renji64]

This would be a great edtion.

 

[Tepig2000]

A cool idea: the characters could have friends that help them fight against their rivals. For example, Pokémon Trainer is Pikachu's rival because he wants to catch Pikachu but Pikachu wants to be a wild Pokémon, them at the final fight with Pokémon Trainer, Jigglypuff could help Pikachu fight. You would fight as Pikachu against a level 9 Pokémon Trainer with high knockback resistance and Jigglypuff as a CPU controled partner.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Not sure if I wnt rivalries in Smash. People might assume they were copying off PSAS.

 

[Fortanono]

Using this roster,

here are my rivalries:

• Mario vs. Sonic
• Luigi vs. Mega Man
• Peach vs. Zelda
• Bowser vs. Donkey Kong
• King Boo vs. Ganon
• Diddy Kong vs. Ness
• Yoshi vs. Prince Fluff
• Baby Bros. vs. Ice Climbers
• Wario vs. Wii Fit Trainer
• Waluigi vs. Black Shadow
• Link vs. Chrom
• Impa vs. Lucina
• Toon Link vs. Villager
• Tingle vs. Mr. Game and Watch
• Samus vs Krystal
• Dark Samus vs. Meta-Knight
• Pit vs. Daitoryo
• Viridi vs. Lip
• Pyrrhon vs. Victini
• Kirby vs. Jigglypuff
• King Dedede vs. Duck Hunt Dog
• Fox vs. Captain Falcon
• Falco vs. Meowth
• Olimar vs. Dawn
• Pikachu vs. Pac-Man
• Mewtwo vs. R.O.B.

 

[LF2K]

Mario vs. Kirby (The two did face off in Smash 64's intro, so there's some sort of grudge between them!)
Link vs. Marth (If the "En Garde" event from Melee is any indication)
Ness vs. Mewtwo (If Mewtwo returns, Psychic vs. Psychic)
Bowser vs. Ganondorf
Samus vs. Pit
Sonic vs. Megaman
Olimar vs. Ice Climbers (They both rely on teamwork)
Wii Fit Trainer vs. Little Mac
Peach vs. Zelda/Shiek
Fox vs. Falco

That's all I can think of. It seems like it would be a fun feature in the new game!

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Sure I'd like the rivalry thing sounds cool, although If they implemented it, it might go the destined battle route, ala soul caliber, could be implemented for classic mode too.

 

[J1NG]

Hmm, I like the idea of an opponent that persists throughout the playthrough. It sounds like it could give Adventure mode way more replay value. The only thing I would recommend to really seal the deal on this rival idea is to incorporate it into gameplay, which I'll elaborate on. In the context of Adventure mode, let's say that the player is given choices of some kind that determine which rival you get. For example, let's say you have to play Adventure mode by choosing which Nintendo world to enter as you progress, and your path through the levels would determine which rival you encountered. For example, let's say you are playing as Mario and you start with Sonic's world. Because of that decision, Sonic becomes your rival, etc etc. Also, for reference, I think this idea would really fly if the levels had a similar layout to Melee's Adventure mode, or maybe even Subspace's levels as opposed to just choosing from the multiplayer's stage list.

But it doesn't end there, let's also say the first level you choose is a character's stage who is unrelated to the character that you are playing as. Like, let's say you pick Link's stage while playing as Mario. I know Nintendo could easily whip up some kind of rivalry between them for the sake of the feature, but let's say Link doesn't become your rival because he has no clear connection to Mario. In that case, maybe you would fight a nemesis at the end instead...Or, to really top things off, let's say the hardest difficulty is an Adventure mode with both a rival(s) and a nemesis. It doesn't have to be a normal character either, I imagine they could easily throw a boss in there.

Then, in order to spice things up even further, lets say that you can choose your allies as well. This could mean choosing characters à la Subspace, or having an ally/allies assigned to you automatically(as first seen in Smash 64 in the Giant DK battle). The allies could come in for one battle or maybe they could stick around. I think a mix of both would be interesting.

As for adding cutscenes in to sell the "story" idea, I could go for something simple. For example, I wouldn't mind cutscenes containing still pictures of the characters with text describing what's going on in the adventure. Kind of like a comic. It could be boring for some people, and in order to keep the pace brisk like it was in Melee, then I suppose it's better to have some quick in-game cutscenes.
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Just an idea.