1 on 1 Fights feel...Easier?

[BBC7]

At my school, me and my group of friends have made it a hobby to play Project M, with even the school taking notice and starting a club just for us. Despite playing Project M with these guys everyday though...I suck at it.

I make it to 2nd place by purely avoiding the fight as a whole, only to confront one of the best guys at our table in a 1v1 fight. It always ends up with me only being able to dish out about 5% before losing all of my stocks.

Today, I was fighting the exact same guy in the Smash Bros 3DS Demo, and I won. Easily, actually. I did the exact same things I do in our Project M fight, run away and try to poke with my moves until I get the damage in. Only this time, it actually benefited. I don't know what it is, but it feels as if this game is much easier than Project M, although I'm sure my friend disagrees.

 

[Kirbyquake]

He probably just isn't comfortable with the controls just yet.

 

[BBC7]

I actually want to say it was because of a few other things that may be valid:

- He may have not known the Mega Man match-up
- He was always one of the more tech-based players, and this game has less of that
- He was underestimating me and trying to use strategies that only caught me off-guard in Project M

Not to mention that I actually don't have too much practice in Project M, I don't know any of the match-ups in that game and I forgot how to do the tech because I haven't played it seriously in a while. (My friends play it seriously though)

 

[The Real Gamer]

This is a brand new game... Nobody is good at it yet which means most people are on an even playing field.

In time "pro" players will emerge and they will start making the skill gap more noticeable, which is exactly what happened with every other past Smash game.

 

[BBC7]

This is a brand new game... Nobody is good at it yet which means most people are on an even playing field.

In time "pro" players will emerge and they will start making the skill gap more noticeable, which is exactly what happened with every other past Smash game.

So, theoretically, I can be the superior fighter in Smash 4 if I train more than him? I've never played him in a game where we have equal training, he usually has more training in every game we play. Today gave me some confidence in becoming a good Smash 4 player, to tell you the truth.

 

[ndayday]

It sounds like you acknowledge the fact that the other guy is better than you (in PM at least). If you both got a week to play it your friend would, imo, learn how to beat you in this game. They're different games but the same basic principles of Smash Bros. apply

if this was one of your first fights in this game together then this holds even more true.

 

[DoctorDub]

This is like how I need to lose a match or two before I figure out how someone plays in a certain game.
It just takes time to figure out how the game plays, and more importantly: how your opponent plays the game in contrast to others.

Project M and Sm4sh are very, very different games. Project M relies on you using Tech Skills to win, but Sm4sh in it's current state, does not. This is why I prefer Sm4sh; that's a whole new can of worms, though.

I guess what I'm saying is this: If it were easier, then he would have simply destroyed you. I feel that your pal needs time before he can be used to Sm4sh. I feel that if you're only 5%ing people in PM and needing to play the cat/mouse game to win in Sm4sh, you may want to think about practising (Especially if you're the mouse). The reason I say this, is because it gets EXTREMELY easy to read someone who plays like that, coupled with that fact that it's incredibly boring to come up against folk who just roll away and poke every now and then.

 

[BBC7]

I actually have practiced in Smash 4 quite a bit with the demo, I believe it's what may have actually gave me a chance this time around. I think it's important to note that in Smash 4, I haven't been playing too much Cat/Mouse. I've only been poking when my enemies are at mid-percents to make myself scarier to approach, since they'll be at high percentages by then.

I haven't practiced Project M, nor do I have a proper main, although I do use Falco because he's familiar territory for me.

 

[KaZe_DaRKWIND]

The reason you keep losing is because you keep running away rather than getting better.

 

[BBC7]

I heavily exaggerated my OP, actually. Let me right something that's more representative of my skill so that people can stop treating me like a 2 year old.

- I can dish out way more damage than 5%, probably 80% or 90%, although I have trouble landing the kill simply because I'm not used to PM in general and it does feel different from what I am used to.
- I don't literally avoid the whole fight, I'll still attack everyone but I usually find myself in trouble at the 1v1, and I'll tell you why
- The friend I'm talking about is more accustomed to FFA, so he learned how to survive easily in that mode which gives anyone who goes up against him a hard time, not just me
- I feel that, in general, he did a weaker job in 1v1 Sm4sh, as I was actually able to dish out more damage than I took.
- My Sm4sh strategy I was talking about is closer to zoning than it is to running away like a coward, I just didn't use the proper terminology
- There is also the fact that his controller is in better shape than mine, although this is a very small difference
- He's not completely superior to me like I made it seem, only in PM because he's experienced with that game

 

[Renji64]

You will do great using those tatics in smash 4.

 

[The Real Gamer]

So, theoretically, I can be the superior fighter in Smash 4 if I train more than him? I've never played him in a game where we have equal training, he usually has more training in every game we play. Today gave me some confidence in becoming a good Smash 4 player, to tell you the truth.

Definitely. Like with everything in life if you out-work someone chances are you're most likely better than said person at whatever you've been working at (unless if they're just naturally talented which is the case sometimes).

Since Smash 4 is a new game the "Smash vets" are adjusting/learning, while new players are joining in the scene for the first time. There's no better opportunity for players like yourself to jump into the series and improve alongside others. But keep in mind the longer you wait the larger the skill gap will grow to the point where it will be difficult for you to keep up, which seemed to be your case with PM.

 

[LinkNIvy]

They know the PM techs and have higher numbers than you because of that. Like, if someone can't last hit as well as the other player in LoL or Dota, it doesn't matter how good they are at other aspects of the game. They're going to lose fights because they don't have as much gold. There's a professional TF2 player who's said to have ridiculously bad positioning but is so good at the game because he has better twitch skill than most other players. Smash 4 requires less physical skill and tech memorization than PM and Melee so that barrier to another level of play is lessened significantly. There are less gates to break through to reach a certain level of effectiveness with a character and other areas of play are going to matter more.