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[FullMoon]

What I found out about Greninja on my own: His standing grab is like Zelda's but slower with maybe more range. His dash grab is like Falcon's.
Utilt goes into stuff. Dtilt goes into stuff.

Fthrow is meh. Bthrow is meh. Dthrow is only good for dodge reads. Uthrow is good at everything.

Uair is great. Dair is ok but situational. Bair is okish [1]. Fair is for KOs.

Hydro Pump is a good recovery [2]. Shadow Sneak seems really niche. Substitute is just a counter [3]. Shuriken is an ok projectile.

Ok @ Ffamran how'd I do?

Totally talking about Zelda right now.

EDIT: Oh and those matches
1. Made me realize I'm not fast enough
2. Dtilt to Fair is a thing

[1] - B-Air is an amazing gimp/stage spike tool and also a good follow-up from Up-Throw if the opponent DIs to the side and thus wouldn't be hit by up-air

[2] - Hydro Pump is a good everything, use it on-stage to create distance from opponents if you're under pressure or to put the opponent in bad positions for you to get the advantage. Also, Hydro Pump is Greninja's other main gimping tool.

[3] - Substitute is super-strong, it's not an ordinary counter, it kills most of the cast under 100% with no rage if you aim it up. The only problem with it is actually hitting with it. But even then it works as a escape method. Upwards Sub also goes straight towards the opponent if it's triggered at a close distance by a projectile.

 

[Alacion]

It stops hoo hah, many combos, moves like monkey flip and bouncing fish, escapes many multi hitting moves, escapes rapid jabs, creates kill set ups, gimp characters, push characters away oos. It's amazing

How and why does that work? How does it create a kill set up?

Actually refresh me as to what squall even is again.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

How and why does that work? How does it create a kill set up?

Actually refresh me as to what squall even is again.

There's a full thread about it right here.

 

[Furret]

I found something Zelda is top 10 in
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02...os-by-country?abthid=54e2c73ee4ba87c74600002a
#7 in the US, woo!

 

[Alacion]

There's a full thread about it right here.

I'm impressed. Good job to everybody involved. Do I dare unquit for this?

 

[Furret]

It stops hoo hah, many combos, moves like monkey flip and bouncing fish, escapes many multi hitting moves, escapes rapid jabs, creates kill set ups, gimp characters, push characters away oos. It's amazing

it stops combos or strings? there is a difference in the deal with it factors

 

[Macchiato]

I'm impressed. Good job to everybody involved. Do I dare unquit for this?

We're hoping to counter diddy.

 

[Alacion]

We're hoping to counter diddy.

Diddy's fair > Zelda.

 

[BJN39]

Diddy's fair > Zelda.

Hurr durr I guess we'll just run our frame 1, nearly 20 frame intangibility Nayru's Rejection then to cownter his FAir.

That's the other new discovery btw

 

[Alacion]

Why am I starting to think custom Zelda isn't awful?

 

[Fernosaur]

it stops combos or strings? there is a difference in the deal with it factors
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Technically both? Can rapid jabs be considered combos?

We're hoping to counter diddy.

Diddy's fair > Zelda.

Squall won't make Zelda a Diddy counter, because by resetting into neutral after stopping the hoo haa you're, well, back to neutral. And Diddy is like 1980193481 times better than Zelda in neutral.

Using Squall basically shifts Zelda's playstyle from Turtle/Rushdown to almost full Turtle if you use customs for Din's and Phantom. She becomes very defensive, while still not having the tools to be campy.

I theorize that Ness will have a lot of trouble once we figure out how Squall can be used effectively, tough. This is very good cause Ness is a relatively popular character that gives Zelda a very hard time imo.

Sheik still wrecks her, though. But I do think Squall can help a lot in other of her bad MUs. I forgot to test how much Squall can affect Sonic's approaches.

 

[Furret]

Technically both? Can rapid jabs be considered combos?

not all rapid jabs true combo very well, in fact most don't unless you're like falcon or little mac

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Diddy's everything > every character.

The sad truth tho

Oh and about custom Zelda not being so Zeldawful, it seems so far that Squall will only be matchup specific so we can get out of certain moves. I'd like to see how Rejection's 1 frame of intangibility can be used though.

 

[Fernosaur]

@Lavani I have more annoying favors to ask. Could you make a list of all the characters that have rapid jabs? I'll see if I can test what Squall does against them during the week.

Hurr durr I guess we'll just run our frame 1, nearly 20 frame intangibility Nayru's Rejection then to cownter his FAir.

That's the other new discovery btw

You're right we should start looking into Freud's Penissism as well. The frame 1 intangibility seemed pretty good but I wasn't convinced about it because of D3RK's lab results. We'd have to see how Penissism works against strings and combos instead of rapid jabs.

 

[Alacion]

Our best Ness player won't even go Ness against me anymore. Goes CF instead to make my life miserable.

PLEASE look into squall vs. CF multi jab and gentleman.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

@Lavani I have more annoying favors to ask. Could you make a list of all the characters that have rapid jabs? I'll see if I can test what Squall does against them during the week.

hi i'm Lavani

I..think that's all of them? I have no clue about Miis tho.

 

[SBphiloz4]

Just as there's no stream for all you gorls for me to see and cheer me on, I'm out of the tourney because Fox. :/

 

[Fernosaur]

hi i'm Lavani

I..think that's all of them? I have no clue about Miis tho.

Thanks!

Out of these, I think we can agree that only and present a potent threat against Zelda. We already know Sheik's rapid jab gets interrupted, but her strings are still as powerful as ever, so....

Time to test the rest! Falcon and Mac are in line.

Just as there's no stream for all you gorls for me to see and cheer me on, I'm out of the tourney because Fox. :/

Noooooooooooooooooo!!!! F*cking stupid space furry dip****.

 

[Alacion]

Just as there's no stream for all you gorls for me to see and cheer me on, I'm out of the tourney because Fox. :/

Was it kaosnoob?

 

[Rickster]

This has been bugging me for a while...

WHERE do you guys get all the data?? The sizes, the frames...how? I just assumed that everyone had it back in Brawl since the game was hacked to bits. But this game hasn't been hacked yet...right?

Until I know this all data miners are Goddess Tier to me. Based BJN, Aero, and Lavani.

 

[SBphiloz4]

Was it kaosnoob?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I could've beaten him but I was playing pretty trashy honestly. I should've took game 2 if I didn't start using Fsmash to go for the kill. I got punished for it and lost the game. Then I went full ****** and cp'ed T&C and almost got 3 stocked....

 

[Fernosaur]

This has been bugging me for a while...

WHERE do you guys get all the data?? The sizes, the frames...how? I just assumed that everyone had it back in Brawl since the game was hacked to bits. But this take hasn't been hacked yet...right?

Until I know this all data miners are Goddess Tier to me. Based BJN, Aero, and Lavani.

Wow. To me they're like

Jk girls I think you're all super cool~ <3

 

[Ffamran]

hi i'm Lavani

I..think that's all of them? I have no clue about Miis tho.

You forgot about , , and . They have Rapid Jabs too and only two of them are legitimate.

This has been bugging me for a while...

WHERE do you guys get all the data?? The sizes, the frames...how? I just assumed that everyone had it back in Brawl since the game was hacked to bits. But this game hasn't been hacked yet...right?

Until I know this all data miners are Goddess Tier to me. Based BJN, Aero, and Lavani.

We mine this: http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/mastercore2/. *has flashbacks of trying to find data for Falco's Specials*

 

[Fernosaur]

You forgot about , , and . They have Rapid Jabs too and only two of them are legitimate.


We mine this: http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/mastercore2/. *has flashbacks of trying to find data for Falco's Specials*

Wow I clicked that link and my brain melted.

 

[Alacion]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I could've beaten him but I was playing pretty trashy honestly. I should've took game 2 if I didn't start using Fsmash to go for the kill. I got punished for it and lost the game. Then I went full ****** and cp'ed T&C and almost got 3 stocked....

He's a Peach main in Melee. Fox is really hard imo.

 

[BJN39]

This has been bugging me for a while...

WHERE do you guys get all the data?? The sizes, the frames...how? I just assumed that everyone had it back in Brawl since the game was hacked to bits. But this game hasn't been hacked yet...right?

Until I know this all data miners are Goddess Tier to me. Based BJN, Aero, and Lavani.

The data mine from this based @Dantarion has blessed us with readable data to mine.

Without previous knowledge of wtf is going on in there, it looks very confusing.

Edit : Greninja'd

 

[SBphiloz4]

He's a Peach main in Melee. Fox is really hard imo.

Yeah this Fox was nothing like those other Foxs I fought. Still exploitable but lost momentum in the second game and gave it away with a bad CP. Ah well. :/

If anyone wants to help me drown away my sorrows by playing me feel free to do so. Will probably start doing some recording of footage for my next highlight vid.

 

[Rickster]

You forgot about , , and . They have Rapid Jabs too and only two of them are legitimate.


We mine this: http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/mastercore2/. *has flashbacks of trying to find data for Falco's Specials*

The data mine from this based @Dantarion has blessed us with readable data to mine.

Without previous knowledge of wtf is going on in there, it looks very confusing.

Edit : Greninja'd

....
WOW.

Yep I have absolutely no idea what's happening in there.

 

[Ffamran]

So, this became a thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMMxmMVO9gA&feature=youtu.be.

Mentioned here, but from this thread: http://smashboards.com/threads/grea...s-busted-in-doubles-now.391586/#post-18598496.

What do we do about the Persistent Pikmin Power Amplification? Here is my thread on it, it has the Youtube link in it.

I suggest we wait and see if it's too bad. If it is, we ban the combination of a reflecting move and Order Tackle. If it's fine, then we do nothing.

What course of action do you guys suggest?

 

[Macchiato]

Yeah this Fox was nothing like those other Foxs I fought. Still exploitable but lost momentum in the second game and gave it away with a bad CP. Ah well. :/

If anyone wants to help me drown away my sorrows by playing me feel free to do so. Will probably start doing some recording of footage for my next highlight vid.

Upthrow to Usmash is a combo that works at 0% on fox... Only fox though lol

also I KOed Nairo using Usmash yay

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

So, this became a thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMMxmMVO9gA&feature=youtu.be.

Mentioned here, but from this thread: http://smashboards.com/threads/grea...s-busted-in-doubles-now.391586/#post-18598496.

jesus christ
I honestly don't see this as a big problem tho...just do what was said, ban the use of a reflecting move in conjunction with Olimar in doubles

also I KOed Nairo using Usmash yay

how the heck did you kill with usmash LOL
the extremely rare times I do i'm just like...wat

 

[Macchiato]

how the heck did you kill with usmash LOL
the extremely rare times I do i'm just like...wat

He ftilted, I spot dodged and usmashed, he died, i taunted

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

He ftilted, I spot dodged and usmashed, he died, i taunted

I hope you taunted by using usmash again, since that's pretty much what it is.

 

[Rizen]

The Oli glitch is only with the custom move Order Tackle fortunately.

 

[Ffamran]

The Oli glitch is only with the custom move Order Tackle fortunately.

Still insane, though.

 

[FullMoon]

I can imagine Olimar killing his partner while being super buffed by accident a lot, then again, a partner is probably unnecessary at that point.

 

[Mythra]

I can imagine Olimar killing his partner while being super buffed by accident a lot, then again, a partner is probably unnecessary at that point.

It may kill its partner intentionally to scare the opposing team
: "This is what will happen if you touch MAH Pikmen"

 

[McKnightlíght]

Boo, you wh*re.

W*tch your mouth.

 

[mario123007]

Who's up to try for Zelda's voice in this machinima?(Shiek needs same voice actor as Zelda)

 

[Fernosaur]

It may kill its partner intentionally to scare the opposing team
: "This is what will happen if you touch MAH Pikmen"

Hahahaha.

"Did you see what I did to him?

And he was USEFUL to me.

Now imagine what I'll do to YOU."