KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
Pretty soon I want to record a hitbox vid for Zelda on a custom stage with the grid texture. Just gotta finish what I'm working on right now. =X
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GodAtHand
Smash Lord
That sounds awesome and helpful. I was considering entering singles again so stuff like that is helpful.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
I looked at that picture but I really couldn't tell. I've been having trouble when people have been like right in my face. It's a range where Fsmash comes out to slow and Dsmash will either whiff or be shield. I was wondering if Dtilt would get the job done.
@kaylo it'd be pretty awesome if you made that vid of Zelda she really needs one.
GodAtHand
Smash Lord
They have a video of Metaknights hurt bubbles... I want one for Zelda please!!!!!!!!!
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
Not possible yet. 
We pretty much have to wait until the coding process is revealed or for one of the few people who know how to do it to care enough about Zelda to do one for her.
We pretty much have to wait until the coding process is revealed or for one of the few people who know how to do it to care enough about Zelda to do one for her.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
So you can't do it ?Not possible yet.
We pretty much have to wait until the coding process is revealed or for one of the few people who know how to do it to care enough about Zelda to do one for her.
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
Hell no, lol.
I can do frame advance and read data from BrawlBox/PSA/OSA, but honestly, that's something that anybody can learn how to do..... coding and hacking are beyond me.
If someone ever writes step-by-step instructions, I'd be willing to try, but atm I only know of a handful of people who know how to do it. I also think there're some final bugs they're trying to work out.
I can do frame advance and read data from BrawlBox/PSA/OSA, but honestly, that's something that anybody can learn how to do..... coding and hacking are beyond me.
If someone ever writes step-by-step instructions, I'd be willing to try, but atm I only know of a handful of people who know how to do it. I also think there're some final bugs they're trying to work out.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
I thought you jst added a code that would show her hit boxes and stuff. *shrugs* I'll look it up I guess.
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
Nah, you have to go & make a new .pac file by editing her bones and stuff. It's a little complicated from what I heard from people who did hitbox ones (and I think hurtbubbles are harder than hitbubbles).
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
Ah I see I just realized I'm not even too sure what I'm looking up anyways. *shrugs* it doesn't seem as if this will be made for Zelda anytime soon.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
While searching the forums I came across this thread.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=255290
Can I just download the Pac file from there and then make the Zelda hit bubble video?
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=255290
Can I just download the Pac file from there and then make the Zelda hit bubble video?
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
Can someone explains Zelda's nair to me I don't understand the properties of the move.
It's multi hit
trascande priority ?
Shield stabs? or pokeS?
Why doesn't my opponent DI out of the move ?
It's multi hit
trascande priority ?
Shield stabs? or pokeS?
Why doesn't my opponent DI out of the move ?
WickedDeceit
Smash Cadet
Zelda bayblades ftw
Also Nair to Uair/Bair is sexy
EDIT: also I think I read somewhere that the game makers made it intentionally difficult to D.I. out of (like Zelda's Upsmash for many char's). its for the effect.
Ya
Pretty bad priority. Don't challenge people in the air with it unless timing/spacing under them or predicting a slow aerial (i.e. Peach's Fair). Fast falling it onto them works well with timing.
Safe on block if you land behind them (w/ autocancel). You can try to shield poke their face with timing/spacing but after a few times (one) you'll get grabbed.
D.I. varies greatly w/ this move; most is explained in the O.P. Basically if you're in the air D.I. backwards (that's where they'll D.I. as well) and you'll get the most hits. If you hit them while they're grounded watch how they D.I. and ground chase (grab, upsmash, Uair).
Also Nair to Uair/Bair is sexy
EDIT: also I think I read somewhere that the game makers made it intentionally difficult to D.I. out of (like Zelda's Upsmash for many char's). its for the effect.
MrEh
Smash Hero
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
*swoops in with data*
It's true! For instance, Zelda's usmash is hard to SDI out of because the first 10 hits have a hitlag multiplier of .5 (meaning the opponent has relatively less frames during which they can SDI)* and an SDI multiplier of .1 (meaning they don't move as far with each SDI input).
*Electric moves have more hitlag, so that makes up for the .5 HLM a bit.
For those curious, the sweetspots on her fair/bair have SDI multipliers of 0, which is why they can't be SDI'd, only DI'd.
EDIT: Oh, I should mention that nair has an SDI multiplier of 0 as well. Since that's what we're talking about and all lol.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
Ok thanks for the answers.
PZ
Smash Lord
Umz does zelda's b attack have invincibility frames?(not sure wat the name is sry)
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
Nayru's Love. 
& yeah, it does have invincibility during the beginning. Frames 5-12.
@Zeldas: Yeah, I retested it/confirmed with PSA..... IFs go to 12, not 11. =X
& yeah, it does have invincibility during the beginning. Frames 5-12.
@Zeldas: Yeah, I retested it/confirmed with PSA..... IFs go to 12, not 11. =X
PZ
Smash Lord
Thanks for answer!Nayru's Love.
& yeah, it does have invincibility during the beginning. Frames 5-12.
@Zeldas: Yeah, I retested it/confirmed with PSA..... IFs go to 12, not 11. =X
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
is it really invincible I getting hit and grabbed out of it soooo much it frustrates me.Nayru's Love.
& yeah, it does have invincibility during the beginning. Frames 5-12.
@Zeldas: Yeah, I retested it/confirmed with PSA..... IFs go to 12, not 11. =X
Is Zelda's nair disjointeD?
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
It's 12. You're probably trading or getting grabbed out of it on 13..... and if it's stale, the first hits do ~0% damage each, so it might not look like a legit trade.
Nair's not really that disjointed. Look at its hitbubble pictures and imagine where her hand might be..... the space between that and the edges of the bubble is its disjoint. (You can actually see her hand poking out on one side, which proves its relative lack of disjoint.)
Nair's not really that disjointed. Look at its hitbubble pictures and imagine where her hand might be..... the space between that and the edges of the bubble is its disjoint. (You can actually see her hand poking out on one side, which proves its relative lack of disjoint.)
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
Ah okay. Just on the picture which is the length of the move the yellowish color bubble or the shadowy orange trim at the edge/
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
The yellow. It's glowing, so the orange is just the light coming off of it.
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
As much as a hate it... I need to learn Zelda. I never really liked her, but I guess I can learn to like her. I'm already in love with FSmash.
So, tell me, what is suggested reading and who is a good Zelda to watch?
So, tell me, what is suggested reading and who is a good Zelda to watch?
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
stalker 7,7
Stickies are ur best bet in terms of information, but even digging through the social thread can net you some decent discussion, so have a look there. I'd recommend setting yourself challenges in winning a match going solo-zelda against the cast so you can get accustomed to scoring hits and just generally getting accustomed to her more easily.
Darkmusician
Smash Master
I'm so sad that I lost the 6 hours + of all nighter matches that we had.
Even the mighty Larry cannot say no to the ICs infinite...sometimes.
Shoutouts to Larry!
WickedDeceit
Smash Cadet
Is the lag on Dair too great to follow-up with a Bair in one short hop? I've tried to do this numerous times and the frame data isn't encouraging.
I think this question is more about wishful thinking and facing reality.
I think this question is more about wishful thinking and facing reality.
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
It's not even close to possible, lol.
Zelda's only in the air for 44 frames when she short hops, and dair alone is 44 frames long.
Zelda's only in the air for 44 frames when she short hops, and dair alone is 44 frames long.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
you should be able to do it from a Full Hop though. A rising full hop dair though.
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
Hey Chrno, welcome. It's a little quiet around here, but if you need anything, don't hesitate to ask.
It's a little quiet around here, but if you need anything, don't hesitate to ask.AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
Alright i'll need a dutch a soda some chips and a kit kat.
Fuujin
Smash Champion
Ah to be a new Zelda user, good times.
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
Spamming Zelda smashes won me my first major tourney set. I miss those days.
Fuujin
Smash Champion
Spamming Zelda smashes won me my first major tourney set. I miss those days.
Because people were more stupid about fighting her than they are now.
It also bothers me that some people are credited with best "_____".
When the only time they placed good in a tournament with said character was 2 years ago.
People don't realize that brawls metagame has changed and just because someone managed to do good with a low tier years ago doesn't they can still do good with them now and they're "da bess".
I cant tell you how many best "_____" don't even use those characters in tournament most of the times.
Imo if you get high with Metaknight/Falco/Diddy/Snake or any other high tier and you pulled out your pocket Zelda for the tournament you shouldnt be credited with "Best Zelda".
No offense to anyone here because I don't know who anyone uses here besides Zelda but I've yet to see really good results from tournaments where anyone has actually used Zelda for more than a few matches.
Also why are tourneys where 70% of the people attending are scrubs counted?
I'm positive I could round up 30+ scrubs at my community college and get first with Zelda, this doesn't make her any better of a character.
And frankly **** like this http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=284826
shouldn't be counted.
It looks nice that a Zelda got 2nd out of 70 but its a free tournament.
Any city with a somewhat populated are can get 70 kids to come play a game for FREE even if they have no previous experience.
You can tell most of them aren't even smashers by the names they use.
In fact even in the big tournament threads where Zeldas supposedly placed well, a simple name/character name search for post tournament shoutouts can reveal if the person really even used Zelda.
tl:dr
I don't think tournament results including Zelda should be posted in the tournament thread if you went say, Snake(or any higher/mid tier) the entire tournament and whipped out Zelda because you were playing a noob.
Same goes for Sheik, check to verify they didn't pull Zelda out for a smash attack kill and actually fought with her.
Fuujin
Smash Champion
For instance if ed got 49 out of 18x in singles, why is it that when "Zelda" is searched in the thread no post results come up other than ZeldaMasterTimmy/Lady Legion???
Nothing about anyone playing Zelda.
http://www.smashboards.com/search.php?searchid=4020548
Surely someone would comment on someone who actually used Zelda placing that well in tournament.
At my second tourny when I got 33 out of 113 using Z/S(note: not just Sheik with Zelda to kill, around 70%Z 30%S, usually roughly 50/50 but ill admit I was enjoying going Zelda just to hear people talk at this one) when you search Zelda in the results thread you actually see people commenting on me using Zelda.
http://www.smashboards.com/search.php?searchid=4020602
People are surprised and shocked a Zelda made it that far and it's something to talk about, so they're gonna make post about it.
Nothing about anyone playing Zelda.
http://www.smashboards.com/search.php?searchid=4020548
Surely someone would comment on someone who actually used Zelda placing that well in tournament.
At my second tourny when I got 33 out of 113 using Z/S(note: not just Sheik with Zelda to kill, around 70%Z 30%S, usually roughly 50/50 but ill admit I was enjoying going Zelda just to hear people talk at this one) when you search Zelda in the results thread you actually see people commenting on me using Zelda.
http://www.smashboards.com/search.php?searchid=4020602
People are surprised and shocked a Zelda made it that far and it's something to talk about, so they're gonna make post about it.
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
Uhh. That was kind of random.
I'm not sure who you're referring to as far as implying someone shouldn't be credited with the title of best Zelda, but through tourney results and videos, it's pretty obvious that Bobby is the best Zelda -- despite the fact that he's in an isolated region and uses other characters. Riot, Scary, and maybe others are also mentioned, but it's always admitted that it's hard to even try to rank them since some don't do singles very often (Riot), some also use Sheik (Scary), others fall in and out of activity, etc. etc.
If we tried to rank Zelda players the way you're suggesting, the list would have zero people on it, lol. As for the tourney thread, it's all-inclusive, but it doesn't try to rank people or anything, so there's no problem with that. Let people enjoy their success without judging whether it's "good enough" or not.
I'm not sure who you're referring to as far as implying someone shouldn't be credited with the title of best Zelda, but through tourney results and videos, it's pretty obvious that Bobby is the best Zelda -- despite the fact that he's in an isolated region and uses other characters. Riot, Scary, and maybe others are also mentioned, but it's always admitted that it's hard to even try to rank them since some don't do singles very often (Riot), some also use Sheik (Scary), others fall in and out of activity, etc. etc.
If we tried to rank Zelda players the way you're suggesting, the list would have zero people on it, lol. As for the tourney thread, it's all-inclusive, but it doesn't try to rank people or anything, so there's no problem with that. Let people enjoy their success without judging whether it's "good enough" or not.