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Awakening is the game people have been talking about. Its "hot". Sales are not THE reason why something is popular, its simply something objective and factual that I can cite. Among FE fans, FE9/FE10 was the hot game during brawl. Stop trying to alter my argument simply so you can point out the flaws you made up.
Don't stuff words in my mouth. I never said that.
Its a thought experiment.
I didn't make up anything. The sales "argument" goes something like this: Awakening sold really well for an FE game/saved the franchise or whatever, therefore Chrom(or any Awakening character of your choice) is likely.
You may not have, but that's what most people who resort to the sales "argument" usually say.
But Ike himself was never slow. He wasn't in his animations or his actually speed stat. Many people thought it was weird that he was as slow as he was in brawl. That, along with the move eruptions which came completely out of nowhere, are points where sakurai took some liberties to make Ike unique. Whose to say that Chrom cannot get the same treatment? Sakurai could give chrom access to lances that could or could not be used a projectile and that would be doing it without altering his character.
If someone has clone potential, they will be a clone. Toon Link could've been unique, but he is a clone. Luigi could've, oh look, he's a clone.
Luigi's far from a clone at this point.
You got to keep in mind that when it comes to any kind of fighting game, normally character gameplay and design is correlated to each other, hence why generally a lot of fast agile characters are small and scrawny while heavy hitting behemoths are massive and muscular. In the context of Ike, it does make sense that he would be a slow heavy hitting character because, again, his Ragnell is a large and heavy weapon, so naturally from the standpoint of common sense wielding a weapon like that would make you very powerful, but at the same time at the cost of speed and agility.
Based on your "post" you're reaching your own "conclusions" about what a hot game means. Its not purely sales, relevance, publicity or quality of the game but a combination of the four.
Okay. So the "hot game" is the recency/sales/acclaim argument all wrapped up into one.
No. Prior to Awakening the best selling FE game was FE7. Ike's games sold so poorly that they almost killed the franchise.
...what? I don't have any idea what you're saying. No FE game was outselling it because it was the only FE game released at that moment.
Palutena is a supporting character. Chrom is a main playable character. Completely different situations.
I've mentioned the same thing several times in the past about his sword style. Several others have done the same.
capes in terms of realism don't work out on superheroes. But superheroes are inherently unrealistic.
"hotness" is something that Sakurai has mentioned when discussing characters. I think he used it when discussing Pokemon. As Gingerbread Man said, sales are just an objective measure of popularity. Ike's games didn't sell well, but they were popular with the FE fanbase and critically receive well (especially PoR). Awakening sold well and is popular with the FE fanbase.
He said that he looks to what Pokemon are "hot" at the moment to decide who to consider for inclusion. It's not the end all be all for who gets in.
-says sales=popularity
Actually in Japan Mother 3 is a bit of a base breaker, arguably the franchise's equivalent of Metroid: Other M or Star Fox Adventures.
Too bad gameplay is the most important part of a character, because again WE PLAY AS CHARACTERS. Knowing how a character plays is very important, far more then people give it credit for.
I think I was trying to insinuate that sales are subordinate to recency.
It's not for Fire Emblem either. But it's why some characters get in to the series.
I'm not aware of Mother 3 of being a base breaker. Where did you hear this from? I remember it getting excellent reviews, although the only review I can remember is a 35/40 from Famitsu.
It's not that people don't give that credit. It's that it's impossible to predict. It's based on preconceived notion on how Sakurai designs a character. We don't know how any unrevealed character will play. Not until we, you know, play it.
I don't recall that IS suggested Roy. Either way, they didn't get in because of IS suggesting them, they got in because Sakurai thought they would stand out.
I believe Sakurai got a peak at the new FE that was being planned and they both agreed Roy would be a good fit. Without IS"s input we would have never gotten Roy.
Yes, Ike and Roy were suggested by IS, but Sakurai was the one who included them, and he didn't include them just because they were recent/"hot."
Doesn't change the fact that it's a bull**** argument.
Sakurai makes the final call on all characters. I don't see how this changes anything. He really doesn't go into great analytical detail on why characters are included. Other than those short tidbits he did for Melee, which were hardly great analytical posts.
That's a pretty sorry excuse. Use your head, and everything will fall into place. Every character follows an archetype, based around their design. The design in question helps bring out a blue print on how a character will play. Like for example, Takamaru is going to have attacks based around varies types of martial arts inspired by the likes of laido, laijutsu, and battojutsu, plus incorporating abilities inspired by samurai from both fiction and non-fiction works, with the main gameplay going to have an emphasis on lightning fast attacks and combos.
Make no mistake, we all try to predict them. What do you think all these movesets are for? But there is no inherent value in my prediction of moveset, to yours, or gingerbread man's (just to name an example). It's all guess work, and to pretend like it's anything else is giving yourself too much credit. They are just for fun and have absolutely no bearing on how the characters will play in the game. I hope all the newcomers play differently than the way I imagine them or anyone else imagines them. I like being surprised.
I think he's arguing that Takamaru will get those things based on the fact that he's a samurai, not necessarily on anything in his games.
Ragnell being a heavy and large sword. Greater power at the cost of speed. Common sense. Read comments.
Robots are known in fiction for flight via some sort of jetpack or thruster and the ability to shoot energy beams.
Clown fighter that uses hammer space to fight, generally comical due to the rather quirky design.
Paired them up mainly for the sake of gameplay, but alone they clearly take inspiration from hammer based combat with some references to mountaineers and introduced the ability to manipulate ice, to emphasis their name Ice Climbers.
Improvising due to limited basis, though his archetype of being a fairly defensive character probably comes from passive nature typical of angels. Arrows are also a recurring characteristic of Cupid, which Pit is based on.
His attacks are based around sentai works like Kamen Rider.
Because apparently that's such a huge deal, especially in context swords like that are supposed to be handled in a similar manner.
He carries a lot of heavy equipment, bombs, bow, arrows, shield, boomerang, hookshot, etc. You're actually expecting him to have super sonic blazing speed when he's carrying around a whale on his back (metaphorically)?
It doesn't matter as much as you think, but he has shown some techniques typical of samurai in Samurai Warrior 3. Though you shouldn't be surprised if a samurai is using martial arts correlating to Japanese swordslike katana, because that's just common sense. It's the same logic as a knight fighting based on European sword play with something like a longsword.
It's not as important as you think to stick closely to the source material, because then you'll be extremely limited to what you can do. Improvising is very much needed, but at the same time it should make sense in the context of the character you're work with, like you cannot give Marth a bazooka or having Captain Falcon throwing pies at people and expecting that to fly.
Already am doing that, cannot exactly stop it.
Probably because there isn't a sense of redundancy at play, meaning people are more lenient with the idea of Little Mac. Plus some would like the idea of a boxer, kind of like the Super Smash Bros. equivalent to Balrog from the Street Fighter.
But we don't have characters who build their entire moveset around it, or use a boxing fighting style.
Still waiting on Mother 3 being a base breaker info.
Tell me about it. All the Chrom hate seems like a challenge that Sakurai could easily rise to occasion and create a unique character.
I don't have info on-hand, but I'm 99% sure this is true. I believe it was because the game had a much darker tone than M1/EarthBound, but I may be wrong.
not to stray too far from the FE discussion, but I think everyone who played it still though it was a good game. Metroid: Other M and Star Fox Adventures weren't good games. Other M was a mess as far as I can tell, and SFA wasn't really a SF game. It was a star fox clone. It might not be their favorite, but risky games tend to have a few polarize opinions from hardcore fans. Fire Emblem Awakening has few tough opinions from hardcore fans, but its still a great game. Hardly a base breaker.
) IRL, and having played Fire Emblem: Awakening, I can guarantee that Chrom could have a unique sword based moveset, my most major concern is what Sakurai would most likely do in any given situation, and if my analysis of his swordplay in the game is correct, and if I know Sakurai's tendencies, I say the changes of him having a unique and compelling sword type are slim, but not impossible. The most likely occurrence will be Chrom creates a blend between the other sword styles already in play, it is very unlikely he'll take up some cool Iaijutsu, or that he'll take up Kenjutsu, I'd rather have Lyn and Yoshimitsu (or Takamaru and Goroh) take up those two respectively anyways. It's more likely he'd have to stick to the Renaissance Martial Arts (which, mind you, doesn't really have a name like the eastern martial arts), and Marth's taken from that for one handed weapons heavily (most unusual is his stance, only because his sword is not up, which is a death sentence against any competent swordsman), and Ike has taken from their guides on 'what not to do in a sword fight' (seriously, have you seen his Fsmash or Ftilt? He'd get stabbed in the heart just for winding his sword up, he'd be impotent to block in nearly all case with one arm, being disarmed quite easily, and get stabbed in the brains for leaning forward like that). I'm not sure where he could go, seeing as he doesn't wield Falchion like a greatsword, and Smash being a 2.5D fighter. I view it as unlikely he'll use anything other than sword, but if he does get in, I hope my hardest that he uses spears and other random bullcrap Sakurai would pull to make him more interesting.
It's most likely from the prospective of diversity, balance (lol), and logic. Never stated by Masahiro Sakrai himself, but when you think about it from a design prospective Link being sluggish due to carrying a trove of junk would make sense, and it's pretty clear speed is not the top priority for Link, but rather wearing down the opponent with different projectiles and setting them up for punishment... to varying amount of success. I mean when Toon Link is faster and lighter (and better), you can see what I mean.
I guess from my prospective, it's the design itself that is basically one brick wall. Bring up Chrom and suddenly "IKEIKEIKE", bring up Lucina and suddenly "MARTHMARTHMARTH". That's not something encouraging, especially considering the habit of making similar characters because they're similar. I guess I do have a bit of a bias in that regard, though I guess hanging out with the more gameplay heavy focused crowd causes me to gain a more strict prospective on this kind of thing. Mainly hang around with KumaOso, ManlySpirit, and Johnknight1, and they also think that Chrom and Lucina are nothing special, especially considering the former two are big fans of fighting games and know about the prospective of archetypes and diversity by heart.
Lyndis. Manly made a god tier description on how she'd play, which is why I'd really like the inclusion. It might even come true considering that descriptions were given to the Project M team for discussion. Also wouldn't mind a character that uses a different type of weapon like a lance or axe either, like for example Hector or Ephraim.
Hate Robin as a character (Mary Sue territory), wouldn't mind nor really care about a hypothetical inclusion in Super Smash Bros. Think Isaac would be the more satisfactory alternative.
