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Such well thought out and well articulated points, completely refuting all of the points that real people totally made. >.>
Different doesn't mean good in the same way that different doesn't mean bad. You shouldn't have to ban a bad stage, because then you can't ban a stage that you have a terrible matchup on. Back when skyloft was legal for a bit, I had to waste a ban on it everytime simply because it was such a terrible stage and it broke my character. No stages should be inherently bad for more than a few characters otherwise it is a bad stage. When I ban a stage, I should be banning it because it is bead for the matchup, not because I have to ban it every set no matter what.
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can't take a joke. You're basically arguing that it should be banned because it's different. Just my opinion, but that is the worst part about Project M tournaments. We're hitting a point where every stage needs to be simple or it's trash. It's taking away one of the things that makes Smash unique compared to other fighters. Just look at the "competitive custom builds" that turn every stage into a flat stage with a few platforms if you're lucky.
Nope, have you read my post? I said that it shouldn't be a legal counter stage if it really sucks for more than a few characters regardless of matchup. I am using my character as an example, because that's my experience. There are tons of other characters that get pooped on by overdone stage curves. If there are three stages that my character will lose on in every single matchup and I have x* bans, that's absolutely fine. However, a player shouldn't have to ban a stage every single time regardless of matchup unless it's an outlier. If they do, that's a bad stage.
Nope, have you read my post? Here's a quote "Different doesn't mean good in the same way that different doesn't mean bad." Not sure how you gathered that I think different equals bad, but that's some A+ reading comprehension right there. I'll say it again. Just because it's different does not mean it's good. Big blue, poke floats, onett, and etc. are all very different, but they are still crap stages. On the other hand, yoshi's island and norfair (maybe) are very different, but also pretty good.Sounds like @
When did I do that? I just used corneria to prove that different does not equal good. I never said metal caverns and corneria were comparable. If you guys aren't even going to read my posts, why I am even bothering... lol
you drew a direct comparison lol.
I, in fact, did not draw a direct comparison. However, I was making a different point than I said in my last post. You said that it shouldn't be banned just because I am uncomfortable playing on it. I then said that I am also uncomfortable on *insert busted as hell stage here* which just happened to include corneria. Your point wasn't valid. Any bad stage is going to make players uncomfortable. That was the issue.
"Cannot possibly overcome the stage layout" isn't really the words I would use. I would say that, for several characters, players would ban that stage in most matchups just because it's bad for their character, not due to the matchup. Characters with "piercing" (not sweeping, like marth) long ranged moves (e.g. ZSS bair, zss f and dsmash, G&W everything, etc.) can get messed up by curves really bad, as well as characters that struggle to hit low. I know ZSS does, and I'm sure other's do too, but I don't play enough characters to say for sure. It can be absurdly hard to hit characters on the highground or lowground, depending completely on how each character happens to work which really skews how stage control works.
Personally, I don't think that would help. Stage size is what would make it a good counterpick. I say tone down the curves and the counterpick
I'm stepping behind this statement. Metal Cavern is hard for me to play on, sure, but I haven't seen anything that tells me that its curves are inherently disruptive to how the game works beyond that. If you ask me it allows for more creative use of certain moves and I'm pretty much against banning it since the curves aren't random or anything.
That'd all be fine and good assuming I was a TO and had recording equipment. Sadly, I don't. As for the asking people, the answer is "a few" and their responses tend to be "eh" but that's a small sample size. I agree that the only way to know for sure is testing in competitive play, but this discussion is purely theoretical until someone actually comes up with some real evidence.
You like the curves? I mean, I understand why curves can make things interesting, like on the Yoshi's maps, but these aren't so much curves as they are cliffs. I've said it before, but, the right one is taller than a decent than several characters. I'll say that again.
Ivysaur's ledge glitch on Yoshi's. It's an instaban in my book.
