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I don't see why it can't all be present. Sure, you obviously can't have a forest and an open field in the same place, but this is a big arena, with room for multiple environments.
It could, but I don't see how these areas would benefit anyone. It'd require finding those different areas first.
We could very well have many of them grouped together, though. For instance, using the examples I brought up earlier, there could be a hilly forest with soft ground and open skies above all in one area. These sort of multipurpose areas could be close to one another if we even do need that many of them in the first place. I'll look at the roster and experiment with different areas to see what might work well.
can go to the lava area and have an advantage due to his immunity to lava, but the bridges and sandy areas might hinder him as they might collapse due to his weight. might choose the mountainous or lava-filled areas due to his flying Clown Car, but the dense forest might hinder his ability to pilot it. is best in the flat areas like the plains and the beach since they give him room to pilot his Blue Falcon, but other areas aren't quite fit for his style. works well in the mountains since he can fly, and his resistance to fire could help in the lava area (he emerges from lava in Pokemon Snap after all), but the lake could be fatal to him for obvious reasons. is great in the mountains since he can fly infinitely, but his mobility would be hindered in the dense forests. doesn't really have a particular advantage or disadvantage from what I can tell, aside from perhaps his flight abilities being good in the mountains. could go for the mountains with his jetpack or the dense forests due to his monkey abilities, but might not fare well in close combat in the center. is right at home in the forest, but his lack of agility makes him unfit for the mountains and lava area. isn't that great either way, but he does equally well in most areas. is at home in the plains, and the ducks can fly him through the mountains, but any projectiles would be difficult to use in the thick forest. and are great in the plains, beach, etc since that makes the opponent an easy target, but the mountains might provide a challenging flight area, and the trees can obscure the targets. is great almost anywhere, and doesn't have any major advantages/disadvantages from what I can tell. doesn't really have anything noticeable. would be good in the lake being a water Pokemon, and the forest could help him sneak up on opponents, although the lava and icy peaks could boil and freeze his water attacks respectively. is great for the central arena's up-close combat, but his relative lack of mobility hinders him in, say, the lava sea. has flight to help with the mountains, and being a balloon could float on top of the water, but underwater foes would be inaccessible. has the Warp Star to help him traverse the mountains and lava, but the forests make crashing almost a given. is at his best when boxing in the central arena, but his lack of mobility hinders him elsewhere. has tools to deal with most situations that might hinder others, and he could fare well in the forests, but the mountains highlight his lack of true flight. seems neutral to me, but I'm not a big Pokemon expert. could do well in most areas, although the mountains and lava would prove difficult for him to traverse. see Ike. and can fly in the mountains, and are good with open areas thanks to their power-ups, although their mobility greatly worsens when underwater. see Ike. would fare well in the arena thanks to his weapon selection, and the various forms of Rush could help traverse the lava area and the mountains, but the forest could prove tricky to aim in. has prowess over the mountains thanks to his flight, but otherwise, he seems relatively neutral. can fly in the mountains and over the lava, and his psychic powers could help him detect enemies in the forest, but doesn't seem to have any major weaknesses in the terrain. see Lucas. is used to the forest and plains, but is extremely lacking in mobility. is accustomed to the high reached and clouds of the mountains, but the close-up combat of the arena might not be best for her. Dunno though, not a Kid Icarus expert. erm... I dunno. 
has an umbrella to float across the lava and throughout the mountains, but like Mario snd Luigi, she's lacking when underwater. could benefit from electrifying the water and his speed could help in open areas, but he'd have trouble traversing areas like the mountains and lava lake. has many weapons that help him in both close- and long-range combat, but he can't actually fly, so the lava and mountains aren't quite his cup of tea. stinks everywhere. Next. see Ike. is great in the mountains thanks to her flight, and can reshape any area to her liking using gravitational forces. could benefit from open areas thanks to the Speed Booster, and the Gravity Suit helps for lava areas. Plus, her gunship helps her both fly around the mountains and get from area to area quickly. see Ike. is great for the hilly plains, since they help him manipulate his speed with the hills and slopes. The forest is no problem thanks to his maneuverability, and he can fly to help with the mountains. The Fire Shield or Super Sonic allow him to stand on lava, and while he can't swim more often than not, Super Sonic's flight and the Bubble Shield should help him immensely in the lake. see Link, but not quite as good. is bad everywhere. has his bike to help traverse the open landscapes, but the mountains and lava still hinder him quite a bit. is bad everywhere. has wings to traverse the mountains and lava, but can't swim underwater well. has magic for both mobility and ranged attacking to help with most situations, but the water and forest might give her trouble.
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Depends on A) the reaction time of the character and B) the Blue Falcon's durability.
How would a pothole work on a hovering car?
So the arena is like the transforming Pokemon Stadium stage in Smash, except it’s divided into 3 zones (character 1 home field, neutral zone, and character 2 home field) and doesn't change midbattle.
What is this, The Hunger Games: Smash edition? Why regenerate the bridges when you can reward the characters with flight and swimming skills (and running on water for Sonic).View attachment 53531
Fighters start in the center island. The stone texture here represents a sort of mini-coliseum; basically, a circular stone platform with pillars along the outer edge and stairs down to the grassy area around it. The lake containing the island is shallow near the landmasses but pretty deep elsewhere, and has three bridges going across it; two stone and one wooden. These bridges can be destroyed, but will come back after a minute or so if there are no bridges left. This ensures that fighters are never trapped on this island. Anyway, the sandy beach around it has soft ground and is rather flat near the shore, but dunes dot the outer edges where it meets the grass. The lighter green area signifies the plains, with hilly areas and flat valleys dotted about. The forest to the left and top of the map is lush, and gets darker the further away from the center you get. It also has stones and other objects, and is very dense depending on where you are. Moving on, the cloudy area at the bottom signifies a mountainous region with snow-capped peaks that reach above the clouds. Finally, the lava area to the right is a giant sea of lava with rock islands dotted about, big and small. All of these areas are within walking distance. How are fighters affected by this terrain, you ask? Well, let's see:
As you can see, the arena is rather balanced. Fighters can get to where they need to be rather quickly since everything is so close, and most characters have a rather equal amount of good and bad terrain. There are a few exceptions, but those that benefit from/can deal with all areas are mostly the top tiers. This new fighting area promotes adaptability, but doesn't get in the way of fighting skill. Let me know what you guys think!
As Dryn said, it's a very wonky cutscene.
Yes, that too.
I do kind of like the idea of a transforming arena. It could provide a similar effect to the three-zone system (characters choosing an environment that's best for them), but the transition is forced to make sure that each character gets equal time in their element.
Good idea.
Sort of, except it's one-on-one.
So that fighters aren't stranded on the island. It would take a few minutes for them to regenerate, though, so those fighters would still be rewarded.
Well, that just goes to show how little I know about those franchises.
Kirby Dragons
@ShadowLBlue
That is still above Pop Star.
Kirby does take damage, but he doesn't die when hit, so that says he'll be able to withstand Samus' beams.
Oh.
There's a difference. When Olimar is writing about the dumbbell, he's making a comparison to another object. That would just show he's bad at comparisons.
True.
How does that mean it blocks things?
The creators of Pokemon decided that he could.
Reflection: the throwing back by a body or surface of light, heat, or sound without absorbing it.
21.41 miles wide.
A statement from the game. Something that specifically states that "Marx being defeated" was the trigger.
Initiate ≠ launch.
Exactly what you said. He was too fast.
That wouldn't necessarily make him a clone.
Metal Sonic isn't really a clone, he's just based off of Sonic.
A regular explosion (made of fire) destroys a building. This explosion was thousands of times bigger, and was made of Sectonia's magic (which has proven itself stronger than fire). That would mean it has the potential to destroy masses of buildings.
Pretty much all of the explosion hit Kirby, so that would mean he's being hit with all of the force.
Kirby would be able to resist the launch with flight anyways.
The only thing that's really inside him is his stomach dimension. Also, he's been flattened without a lump in his forehead, so that would further prove it.
The explosion hit a large portion of the planet.
It doesn't even attack the plants around the planet.
Slipping in/pulling through.
5+. I don't think Bowser could get that many out at a time anyways.
But the logs, which are the actual attack, aren't. Also, the motion from each log will cancel each other out.
What examples? You said that Kirby couldn't move because he was in shock, but shock doesn't stop people from moving.
I believe so. Regardless, he can control it pretty well
A rocket launch takes a while too, but it still has force. Prove that it isn't escape velocity.
But not into space.
IIRC, the bricks can be destroyed by fireballs, while Stone Kirby is protected from them. That would mean Stone Kirby's durability surpasses the durability of bricks.
I saw him fly in a triangle. Kirby doesn't have to jump into it.
If Mario did that, Kirby would just fly away from him.
It affects all items.
A car can destroy cardboard, and even more than the scissors can, so it's more powerful. The laser can destroy an island, and even more than the wall can, so it's more powerful. This is all using the basic attack of whatever object. Car = crash, scissors = cut, laser = blast, wall = crush. Saying a car can't cut something doesn't prove anything. You would have to see if a car can destroy cardboard with a crash, and it can. Similarly, the wall can't blast anything. We would have to see if the wall can crush an island. It can't.
I'll let you know.
That doesn't make any sense.
The artwork doesn't tell us that the hole lacks distortion. The artwork is that it lacks distortion. How does this prove your point?
See above.
See above.
Point?
"Lumas can turn into black holes." is your argument, and you're trying to use it to prove "They could use that here for battle."
A greater chance isn't proof of what? When did you give greater proof than I did?
The logical reason here is balance.
The actual name for it is Hop. Nothing to do with water.
When did I use my argument to prove my statement? I didn't, so it isn't circular reasoning. If you're trying to mock me, you aren't doing a very good job.
True.
Kirby can survive a fall too, so no.
A) Sonic never spins in several different directions in the games.
But Kirby's in the air, and Sonic's in the ground. How will Sonic even reach him?
You're forgetting the Invisibility Stone that would give him permanent intangibility when time is frozen.
Kirby would just fly up on the Warp Star, and then the Spin Dash wouldn't be able to reach him.
If he writes it when talking about the battery, it's pretty clear he's referring to the battery.
It wouldn't be time-and-space-y. It would be cutty, because it is cutting through time and space.
That would mean he doesn't get a concussion in the first place.
Bullets aren't intangible, so they wouldn't go through the Pikmin to hit Olimar.
The Pikmin closest to Olimar would block the bullets, while other Pikmin get close.
You are saying that what Olimar wrote was false, which is your argument.
That isn't his journal.
He wasn't insane just because of the planet. He was insane because of time on the planet, which he didn't really have here.
He gets rid of those too.
It is proven that Olimar is insane, because he knows to get rid of silly thoughts.
The long day is full of multiple reliefs.
Does he mention that he loves them, and why is he expressing his love in the battery description?
Depression and anxiety are symptoms of helplessness. It's clear that Olimar has neither of these.
Rosalina has caught Star Bits with a net, proving that they aren't energy.
What about it?
A) He would end up in front of the black hole.
A) Prove it.
Too fast to react to what? Winds moving around him?
The fuse doesn't have to be lighted. The bomb can just be hit.
A car, then.
Holding the swords in the sheathes will.
Marth uses his legs (and also the Geosphere for damage) to stop him from approaching.
And also, altered.
When he goes flat when under something.
That doesn't really make any sense.
Then the ship would block the bomb, be destroyed, and lead to Samus falling.
Does the autopilot follow enemies?
But the explosion is trying to go through the ship, so it wouldn't work.
If it isn't intangible, it can't go through the ship, and can't hit Kirby, who is outside the ship.
Force is irrelevant, however.
It wouldn't be able to get through, however; it is changing direction.
A pipe is about equal to a wall. I'll conclude that Mega Mario isn't very powerful.
Okay then.
His expression/the ship prove it.
The punch attacked the planet as a whole. The explosion could've attacked multiple buildings, cities, etc. We couldn't see those things, so that explains why we don't see damage.
It is made from the Master Crown, so obviously, the most powerful attacks would at least have limitless power. Kirby can withstand those.
Option 1.
So is Megaton Punch, where we see the damage.
And here, he's comparing a knife to an object that can rip through time and space.
The Starman blocks attacks. Protect blocks attacks. Protect blocks Trick, so it's rather safe to assume that Starman would block Trick.
When is it stated that Mewtwo is capable of such a feat?
I hate to go into semantics, but resist means to "withstand the action or effect of." Mirrors withstand lasers and their effects.
I see. I think it would be fair to put the laser on the level of a deity attack at most; do you agree?
We have evidence from the games.
No duh.
Not necessarily. Marx Soul has different properties than regular Marx. By the way, is Marx Soul heavier than regular Marx? If not, then that sort of goes against your argument; why can Kirby launch regular Marx but not Marx Soul?
Mhm.
Fair enough.
And Meta Knight's copy could be the same way. He looks the same, but the insides could be completely different (especially considering how he's a magical summon and all).
Except it doesn't dent the planet.
If you stand next to a bomb as it explodes, you're still not getting hit with all of the force. The force spreads out in all directions, including the directions that you're not on.
Flying goes up. The launch goes sideways.
Brains can be squishy (in fact, they are). Prove that Kirby lacks internal organs.
The Light Speed Attack doesn't need to hit a large portion of a planet; it only needs to hit Kirby.
Do you have video footage of it, then?
He has never done this. I'm done going around in circles. Provide video evidence of Kirby slipping through a crack like this, or I simply will not reply.
Actually, he can.
The logs are irrelevant. The energy that is the fire on each log hits the other fire, and they do not cancel out.
It keeps Kirby from moving in the games.
When was it stated?
It didn't escape the atmosphere.
When was it sent into space?
Prove that Kirby is immune to the golden fireballs.
The Wing Cap, Tanooki Suit, etc would also work.
Could he stop or turn in time?
Such as?
A car's tire (not a car) cannot effectively cut through cardboard at high speeds, but it has more energy than the scissors while at high speeds.
M'kay.
You said that nothing contradicts Kirby being pink. I said that nothing contradicts Schwarz being different from IRL black holes.
We still take Kirby's pinkness as canon, and we take the lack of distortion as canon.
Lumas can turn into galaxies, and part of that is turning into black holes.
I don't see why they couldn't use their black hole abilities in battle.
Your argument is that Pokemon is usually logical, meaning that things have a greater chance of being logical. You then said that the PP system was illogical, so it had a lesser chance of happening. I proved my point with evidence from the games and how they function. That's the greater proof.
That's not logical in-universe.
Ah yes, that is the original Japanese name.
I asked why they were separate. You replied saying (essentially) that they were separate.
Really? He's regularly spinning in two directions whenever he rolls through a loop. He's spinning in his rolling animation, and going around the loop.
By drilling up,
Once Kirby sets it down to attack, Sonic freezes time,
Actually, it's the Light Speed Attack.That's unnecessary though; the Boost is much faster. Luckily, Super Sonic can use it while flying.
He loves his family before this point.
My pocket knife is cutty, but it cannot rip through time and space.
How so? Improper treatment doesn't mean he never suffered from it.
Bullets can go through plants, and Pikmin are essentially plants.
I'm saying that what Olimar wrote was false because of brain conditions, deceptive marketing, and/or the knife obviously being a normal knife, not to mention Olimar's track record.
And?
When does Olimar acquire the knife?
Before he acquires the knife?
Except he doesn't. That isn't actually a silly thought.
Depends on the playthrough.
I'm not sure, but I don't see how this is relevant. We see Olimar longing to return to his family throughout the first game.
How so?
I could catch electric bolts with a metallic wand, and yet they are made of energy.
She could use it to dodge the attack.
And in the range of the suction effect.
How?
Lumas can transform into them as part of galaxies.
They always go to the same spot, and they seem to have some sort of control seeing as how none of them crash into the Observatory.
Hm?
More like how quickly Sonic creates said winds.
It depends on the explosive. Either way, that's still an interaction that causes motion in the bomb.
Making a car explode still requires the car to move in some way or another.
He can't hold them in time.
How would that work exactly? Teleportation, time freezing, and 3x light speed travel will get Sonic there quicker than Marth can even blink, let alone counter Sonic.
He moves on all fours a few seconds in. Either way, this does nothing to disprove my argument.
When do we see Sonic's actual personality change?
He needs something to crush him, which he doesn't have here.
As in, they move out of the way with little to no resistance. The resistance we do experience is called "drag".
When has an object such as the gunship block a Power Bomb?
It can drop precise air strike attacks to wherever Samus wishes, so I'd imagine it could.
See above.
See above.
How so? If you lightly place a chisel onto a rock, it won't break it. However, if you strike it with the force of a hammer, it likely will.
Why is it changing direction?
If you take Mario's ground pound and scale its force by the size of the Mega Mushroom, you'll have a force to be reckoned with.
How do expressions prove it, and when does the ship back this up? Not to mention that the ship is also a bad source of info, since it provides the often-untrue sales pitches.
The explosion was right next to the planet, and yet it didn't even leave a dent, or even a chip, in its surface.
When is it stated that the attack is the most powerful attack that the crown is capable of outputting?
I'm pretty sure we see the surface of Pop Star. It looks unscathed. An explosion would show destruction on the surface.
Withstand is not the same as survive. To withstand something would mean minimal to no damage has been done. I'll list Kirby's abilities and put Samus' next to each to give a comparison.
Lasers burn. They don't blast.
Schwarz and the black holes in Super Mario Galaxy don't behave like black holes. They don't look like black holes. They act like vacuums.
If the explosion in KTD destroyed in cities and such, we wouldn't be able to see it.
When does he make comparisons to an object that cuts space and time?
Starman doesn't block attacks; it negates damage.
The creators had that as a movie plot. Meaning, it's confirmed Mewtwo can do that by the creators.
The lasers don't take action or effect on the mirror, because they are sent the other way.
Deity attacks are sometimes much more powerful. Shulk's universal sword slash, for example. I wouldn't consider it a deity attack to be honest, but it still possesses a great amount of force.
We also have evidence from the games for my case. That isn't good enough.
He'd probably a bit heavier, but not much. NOVA was gone in the Marx Soul battle, so that explains why Marx wasn't launched that time. Kirby didn't need to destroy anything.
Metal Sonic is robotic, unlike the MK copy, so that explains some differences from him and Sonic. Otherwise, we see many similarities between Sonic and Metal Sonic.
Destroying several buildings wouldn't necessarily dent the planet.
You would still get hit by a large portion of the force.
Kirby goes up and stops the sideways motion.
Kirby was flattened as thin as a piece of paper. Even if brains were squishy, we would still see small lump in his forehead.
We see the inside of his body quite clearly in KSS and the anime. Nothing but his stomach dimension.
What does that have to do with anything?
Yep.
Don't reply then.
Kirby would just inhale one and use Star Spit to destroy the rest.
Actually, the fire would cancel itself out.
When is that stated?
The lore in the games still applies to the anime.
How do you know?
In the episode.
It grants him immunity to enemy attacks. The golden fireball is an enemy attack.
I don't recall Mario having great control over those either.
Yep.
ALL items. Every single one that it covers, besides Mega Stones. Mario's power-ups are included because they are items.
A car's tire can destroy cardboard. The methods of which are irrelevant.
It didn't go through.
You never said that.
But we don't take either as proving anything.
When is it stated the Lumas actually turn into the black holes?
Because they don't have "black hole abilities".
Wait, when did you prove anything about the moves?
And why not?
And how is that circular reasoning?
Both of those are going forward, so Sonic's head is accounting for moving forward. Kirby would be making him move left and right and left and right. Maybe even back and forth, or diagonal.
Unless he can drill through the air, he can't hit Kirby, who's high in the air.
Kirby picks it back up.
Kirby's inhalation would pull Sonic in when he gets close.
But he doesn't express it until he's around the battery.
Olimar concludes that the Dimensional Slicer can.
But if he got a concussion, he would be seen being treated.
Multiple Pikmin would stack up to nullify the motion of the bullet.
I've disproved all of those claims.
The information in Olimar's journal isn't made for selling things, so it isn't deceptive marketing.
End of the game.
Yes. And during the acquiring of the knife, too.
Though, Olimar takes it as silly.
Every playthrough would have those reliefs.
When do we see him long?
Depression causes physical pain, but Olimar doesn't take damage from nothing unless hit. Depression causes anger, yet Olimar seems rather calm. Depression causes reckless behavior, but Olimar doesn't behave recklessly. We don't see the symptoms of anxiety either.
Nets can't catch energy.
The forcefield would disappear, and Kirby would escape.
Kirby would teleport diagonally from it, I mean. Can the black holes suck up things diagonally?
By resisting the pull and walking/flying out. Same thing he does with the Schwarz' black hole.
But not individually.
They only go to a spot once, and the Lumas don't move around a lot in the observatory.
None of the Lumas are flying after being transformed in this scenario.
How quickly.
It does not.
Not always.
He can.
When can Sonic move at 3x the speed of light? Virtually anything he does after teleporting would be negated by Falchion. Time freezing doesn't last forever.
Then he starts walking on two legs again.
Why not?
So would regular Sonic howl randomly?
When he roars.
The edge of the car.
When Sonic freezes time, the resistance of objects still applies, so that would mean the air molecules aren't separately unfrozen.
Everything gets in the way of the Power Bomb, because it doesn't move through things.
Wouldn't Samus be the one doing that?
That is with the resistance of the rock. The resistance of Reflect Force/Reflect Guard never show up when it reflects things.
It is touching something that reflects projectiles that touch it. It can't get through if it is going the other way.
That would destroy a building at most. Most of these guys are much more powerful than a building.
The ship backs it up by explaining what happens/happened, and expressions show what happened.
Most of the pitches are true.
See above.
Magolor was trying to win. Obviously, he would use the most powerful attack he could.
That is during the credits, which isn't exactly accurate.
Then Kirby survived attacks from the Master Crown, so he could survive Samus' attacks.
How are the abilities more powerful than Kirby's? Kirby's attacks generate thousands of pounds of force. Furthermore, Mirror Kirby would just reflect most (if not all) of those things back, so Samus would defeat herself in a way.
It is the damage he takes from attacks. He only dies once his health is reduced by the attacks. It wouldn't mean durability, but it would measure all damage he takes to determine the point when he dies.
My mistake.
They both behave and look like black holes.
Cities can be seen from space. Even so, we clearly see the unscathed surface near the end of the credits sequence.
When he says that the knife is an object that cuts space and time.
By blocking the attacks that cause the damage.
The plot is that Mewtwo is attempting to perform this feat, not him actually performing the feat.
Lasers have a cutting/burning effect. "Withstand" essentially means to come out unscathed. Mirrors are unscathed by the effect of lasers, which means that they resist the lasers.
So Sonic loses about ten to fifteen Rings maximum, since that's what he loses when he's hut by deity attacks. I'm being generous here.
Your evidence is invalid, as it has been disproven.
So, if Marx Soul is not much heavier, then why do the same attacks from Kirby not launch Marx Soul?
Jango Fett and Boba Fett from Star Wars, then. Or all of the Clone Troopers for that matter.
I'd expect an explosion of that size to do so.
About half of it at most.
Adding upwards movement doesn't negate horizontal movement.
Not if they were squishy to the point that they would be flat. It would be in line with the rest of Kirby's anatomy.
Do you have a video of this?
You said that the explosion was more powerful because it hit an entire planet. I said that A) that's not how force works and B) a whole planet isn't even the target here.
That energy is dark and purple, whereas the explosion is almost entirely white.
Okay, and I'll work with Kirby not being able to perform the feat.
Can he take out multiple targets with one Star Spit? Also, isn't Kirby just reappearing from a teleport after this? He'd have to discard his Copy Ability first before he starts inhaling.
Except it doesn't.
It's demonstrated in gameplay. If you try holding sideways during the tumble, you won't be able to influence Kirby's direction.
The "Mach 5" quote refers to the charging attack in the games. Is it stated/demonstrated that this and the technique used in the anime are one in the same?
We don't see it do so, so we can't assume that it does.
I don't see it get launched into space.
Has it shown resistance to a golden fireball that turns things into gold?
The Wing Cap is more of a glide, but it does allow quick, agile aerial movement. The Tanooki Suit lets Mario float up into the air and control his left and right movement extremely well, and the P variant allows for unlimited flight.
Prove it.
Wait, so Mega Stones aren't negated? Mega Stones cause a transformation, and so do Mario's power-ups.
Not on its own. If you place a piece of cardboard under a spinning tire, it will simply send it flying.
Then why would Kirby be able to?
"Similarly [to Kirby's pinkness not being contradicted], nothing from lore/gameplay/cutscenes contradicts the Schwarz not being similar to our black holes."
So, Kirby isn't pink?
The Lumas turn into the galaxies, which contain black holes. It's demonstrated.
They have the ability to turn into black holes.
I proved my point about PP by providing the evidence from the games, which I've already gone over.
"Balance" isn't a logical reason for a creature to evolve. It's a game mechanic.
I asked why something was the case, and you said the thing that you're making an argument for. "X is true because X is the case."
Sonic can go from standing still to spinning at high speeds in the blink of an eye and not even get a headache. I doubt slow spinning (it's limited to the speed of the twirl) would faze him.
Since when is he high up in the air? The Drill Wisp is Sonic's counter to Kirby using Hypernova while lying on his back.
Not before Sonic freezes time.
Kirby is too slow to inhale in time. He lacks the reaction time, and Sonic's turning ability would allow him to go right around the vortex if he somehow managed to initiate it in time.
Read the journal entries from the first game and ctrl+f for "family".
Do we see the evidence he bases the conclusion on, and if not, does WoG state that it's correct?
Unless he didn't recover properly. Either way, he could be recovering offscreen every night.
Bullets can pierce multiple plants.
Then we'll discuss this in the sections where they're being "disproven".
The sales pitch also says this. We know that the sales pitches are often deceptive marketing, so we can assume that the information is false, based on the track record and other factors such as the knife being otherwise unremarkable. The journal entries are also wrong, since they say the same thing as the sales pitch.
Then he had plenty of time on the planet.
It might not have worn off yet. Not sure, though.
And it's not, so his perception is faulty.
The amount of them depends on the playthrough.
In his journal entries from the previous game.
Pain =/= damage.
He could be masking it, or simply not be experiencing this particular symptom.
He throws tens of tiny plant people at savage monsters, likely to their doom.
Such as?
Who said anything about a net?
Why would it disappear?
I don't see why direction would be an issue. The black holes in Galaxy work from any angle, if that's what you mean.
Schwarz =/= Mario black hole.
They wouldn't need to here/
It's consistent throughout multiple playthroughs, and they never crash into the Observatory. If you watch the Lumas in the hub world, they'll float around from place to place on a regular basis.
Why not?
He can move at FTL speeds, so that should give you some idea.
Then how do they explode due to Sonic's attacks?
The car moves in the process of exploding, whether it's making a dent to cause it or the car getting torn apart as a result of the explosion.
When does he demonstrate this reaction time?
When he boosts. Dryn and I had a discussion on this; ctrl+f "SPD" on the previous page and you should find it.
Falchion is gone.
It lasts long enough.
I fail to see how this actually affects anything.
If he walks on all fours, that's due to his body and not his personality, so it doesn't disprove my point. If he walks on two legs, nothing is changed in that regard, and neither arguments are disproven by Sonic's walking.
He doesn't, because his regular body doesn't howl.
That's not his personality.
Which he is nowhere near.
So if the resistance is applied, why does air act as it normally does? If Sonic couldn't move things while time was frozen, he wouldn't be able to move or even breathe.
It moves through foes, and IIRC it can pass through walls etc it doesn't destroy.
Samus essentially tells the ship "drop bombs here" and the ship automatically comes to that location, drops the bombs, and goes back to its original position, all without Samus being in the ship.
If Kirby isn't being damaged by the attacks, it would seem that the techniques are resisting the attacks.
Has it reflected an explosion with that force before?
Power =/= durability.
The ship has a personality, making it no more reliable than Olimar (not to mention its track record with the sales pitches). Expressions from a character don't prove anything in this case.
And the more outlandish ones often aren't. The knife's claim is outlandish.
Did it destroy anything else?
How so? They depict the conclusion of the story (unless there's post-credits happenings).
See above.
prove it.
Has it reflected attacks of this power, scale, force, etc?
No, they don't. Real black holes cause spaghettification. These don't. Real black holes don't lack distortion. Schwarz does. Etc, etc.
We can't have you going around misinformed, can we?Well, that just goes to show how little I know about those franchises.
I do think we should have a vote on this. The options are:
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- Completely flat, similar to what we've been using (preferably with Nerdicon's suggestions)
- Simple, with features dotted about i.e. trees, hills, etc
- Dryn's system, with a basic middle ground and two zones with that character's best terrain
- A transforming arena, where it switches between either the two fighters' terrain or all terrain periodically
- A full-blown, large-scale map with different areas with unique terrain (see my post near the top of this page)
Maybe Marx only got launched because NOVA was close enough to crash into? Marx Soul doesn’t have anything he can damage by being launched so they don‘t show the launch.
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I disagree. Reasons are:
Munomario777
Not all gods have the same level of power. For example The Golden Goddesses have to intentionally flood the land of Hyrule but Ashunera floods the world of Tellius by accident.
Says who? It's the same cut-scene from the end of the battle to the end of the game.
Not really, if Master Crown can kill Kirby.
That's not true. Your three examples are Octacon, Hardy, and Marx. Octacon is from Kirby: Right Back at Ya! in the first episode. As you can see, Kirby's fireball takes 9.5 seconds before Octacon is launched, and even then, there's at least an additional 2 seconds while Octacon is being pushed from the fireball produced by Kirby. Does Kirby's fireball ability actually behave this way in-game? No. Considering Kirby's first media was a video game, the games will take precedence.
The same can be said of any character on the roster. Even if we assume this is the case, I don't see it moving Kirby up on the roster.
That says nothing. They don't look or act like black holes. Even if we assumed they were both black holes, the ones from Super Mario Galaxy have a better showcasing, considering their suction reaches farther than the black holes themselves and they cannot be escaped. Schwarz isn't as impressive in behaving like a black hole and can be easily escaped.
I didn't bother continuing with this. I still find it dubious.
monzer
I disagree. Reasons are:
Well, at least not telling people said misinformation as fact.
True.
That's not a very logical in-universe reason.
Yeah, not to mention Sonic's position.@
King Dedede is too high (He doesn’t even have a warp star).
The Pokemon are pretty poor due to being unable to severely injure normal civilians (Mewtwo being an exception).
Bowser and son are too high as well (they fall to Mario, who isn‘t that strong on this list).
The Links should be higher thanks to all the tools and abilities they have (magic armor in particular).
Why are Zelda and Sheik higher than the Fire Emblem cast when she has so little combat experience.
Fox and Falco should be much higher due to the Arwings and Landmaster.
The Fire Emblem cast should be much higher due to their assorted strengths.
Marth has the Falchion, Lifesphere, and Darksphere which all make hurting him let alone killing him immensely difficult and he has the Geosphere which sounds like a 3 use POW block that hits everything over an entire battlefield.
Ike has Ragnell which is a sword that can launch shockwaves that can reach as far as a arrow can fly and skills like Nihil, Vantage and Corrosion (which can destroy weapons outright) amongst others.
Robin has access to Horse, Wyverns, Griffins and Pegasi (female Robin only) to aid his mobility and can use all manner of weaponry including life draining dark tomes, siege tomes (which have the range of artillery) and even potent holy tomes for people like Ganondorf. Robin also gets an assortment of skills including Renewal (regeneration), the “breaker” line of skills, Miracle (allows him to survive fatal blows), and Lethality (Instantly kills the enemy). You should treat both genders of Robin differently because they have different capabilities, such as female Robin’s ability to ride Pegasi and how male Robin can learn Counter (returns all damage he sustains to his attacker).
Lucina’s capabilities are similar to female Robin except she is slightly better statistically and also gets Aether and Rightful King.
Mii Gunner can be a bit higher as well due to having missiles and such
Right; I'm talking about the deity attacks in Sonic games.@
Being described as a deity is meaningless. If Arceus really was all-powerful, he would be able to escape from his Pokeball.
A) The anime is canon, but the games take precedence.
So, what else makes Dedede top tier?
Fire Mario can defeat Bowser without using the bridge collapsing etc, and Mario beats Bowser Jr. in his Clown Car multiple times on just a flat platform; see the boss battle in NSMBU.
They seem to take laser blasts better than a plane or tank.
I just treat the Mii Fighters as one entity personally, and use things from Wii Sports and the like.
I recommend you do the same for Sonic. I have a list of abilities for him that I made a while back; I might update it in the near future, possibly today. It's on page 88 if you're interested before then.
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We're using a "composite" version of Link; he gets abilities, items, etc from each incarnation. They are very different of course, but we use a composite version A) because it's technically the same spirit or whatever, B) so that all games are included, and C) to make things simpler.
monzer
, the incarnation most adept at magic use would be Link from A Link to the Past. The only issue is magic consumption, even when it's halved. The physically strongest incarnation with item enhancements is Link from Ocarina of Time. Without strength enhancements, the strongest is probably from Twilight Princess. Link from Majora's Mask may be the best swordsman, but then again, his techniques are given to TP Link and he's not the only one with excellent swordplay. The incarnation with the most durable shield is Link from Skyward Sword. Anyway, with respect to your tier list, Samus is too low. The match between Samus and Sonic is also not easily determined. Sonic is too low as well. Here's a few things about Samus.
We didn't see the cities of Popstar, however.
Credits aren't entirely accurate.
Done by observation, not comparison.
The thing that actually does this is energy around Mario that was generated by the Starman. Energy like this can't block attacks that well, as things go through them.
The creators had Mewtwo as a powerful threat. That proves they were the truth when they said Mewtwo could destroy a planet.
If a mirror doesn't absorb the laser (which it doesn't), it doesn't resist the effect of the laser, and therefore doesn't resist the laser.
Mewtwo would attack again.
How?
In the first battle, NOVA needed to be destroyed, so Kirby launched Marx into him. In the second battle, NOVA was already gone, so Kirby didn't need to launch him.
Jango and Boba are essentially the same when it comes to abilities. Same with the Clone Troopers.
Not if it only destroyed buildings.
Which still adds up to a lot of force.
If someone throws a ball at you, and you hit it up, the horizontal movement is negated.
Even if it was flat, we'd still be able to see a minor lump.
Yep.
LSA cannot destroy buildings, so it has less force.
There are dark purplish parts of the explosion that hit Kirby.
Yes.
That wouldn't take very long.
However, the fire beams from two flamethrowers (much closer to this situation) will cancel each out.
And how does that mean it was shock that paralyzed Kirby?
He is seen using a move (Jet Dash) that can only be used at full speed in the games.
We see a star right when he disappeared, so that would pretty much prove it.
Right after, we see the NME Salesman looking through a telescope and observing what happened.
We haven't seen it, but just because it's a "golden fireball that turns things into gold", that doesn't mean Stone doesn't work on it.
Kirby can just avoid Wing Mario by not jumping. Also, neither of those stack with Gold Mario, so it's not like Kirby would have to avoid Mario anyways.
At maximum speed, Kirby has turned. He demonstrates this when using "Jet Dive".
Unless the power-ups greatly increase Mario's stats, it isn't logical to make a comparison. Especially since the Reveal Glass (a transformation item) can still be negated.
Actually, I've come to realize that scissors can't cut cardboard.
He wouldn't.
Um, Kirby's pinkness is part of the artwork. Schwarz having differences from other black holes isn't part of the artwork. This isn't a valid comparison.
He is, but that doesn't prove anything.
How does that mean the Lumas are actually black holes? A jar can contain pickles, but that doesn't mean the jar is a pickle.
You've yet to prove that.
What evidence?
When were we talking about evolution?
Oh, right.
Standing -> spinning forward ≠ standing -> spinning forward, backward, diagonal, and sideways randomly.
To clarify, he's laying on his back, on the Warp Star, high in the air, using Hypernova.
Yes, before/during.
Sonic would still have to go to Kirby to use the move, so Kirby would inhale during that.
Those entries aren't about certain subjects, they're just about whatever. This entry is about the battery, meaning that, in this case, love has something to do with the battery.
We don't see the evidence, but the scanner (which provides info about the game) states that it is.
If he was recovering, he'd lose the concussion, and would no longer have the stress.
A certain amount of Pikmin would reduce the force as it went through their bodies, preventing it from killing Olimar. Even if this didn't happen, Olimar could always stay safely inside his ship.
The sales pitch's claim is made due to deceptive marketing (possibly). Olimar's claim isn't. Two different sources are used, so saying that one of them is wrong doesn't mean that the other one is.
I doubt that.Speculation here, but Olimar could also be using the journal to market these products in some way, or he could just be so good at deceptive marketing that he deceived himself.
Plenty of time to destroy all his problems.
Thinking that Louie isn't the King of Bugs when he is, is more sane than thinking that the Dimensional Slicer cuts through space and time when it doesn't.
One treasure = one relief. Every playthrough has roughly the same amount of treasures.
See above.
Hey, you accidentally put a slash in there.
He did that beforehand, and the Pikmin volunteered to be thrown.
Shortness of breath, ability to be still, numbness.
That's what Rosalina used to catch the Star Bits.
Rosalina is teleporting.
But not diagonally.
What's the difference, really?
If they wanted to target anyone in particular, they would.
Multiple playthroughs are just reliving the same moment over and over.
These aren't high speeds.
Because they didn't eat Star Bits and transform.
See below.
Sonic hits them. That doesn't mean they move.
The explosion would be created after the car is attacked, meaning it wouldn't be affected by the time freeze anyways.
Sheathing the sword only takes about a second. What's the length for Blue Tornado?
He doesn't boost during Blue Tornado though.
Marth picks it up again.
Long enough for what, exactly?
True.
Sonic the Werehog's body doesn't howl either; Sonic the Werehog does.
Then why does he do it?
Sonic can go without breathing, he runs at high speeds all the time. Even if things did move when time was frozen, that wouldn't be Sonic; that would be Chaos Control.
Is the blast bigger than the Gunship? If not, it wouldn't pass through. Show where the Power Bomb passes through walls.
That would be Samus commanding the ship. She couldn't do that and drop Power Bombs at the same time, so Kirby has an easy escape.
He isn't damaged because the guards don't absorb the damage from the blast. If the guards did absorb the damage, there wouldn't be any damage once the projectile was reflected.
No, but force doesn't have anything to do with anything here.
Correct, but I never said it was. If Mario is high on the tier list because he can destroy a building, everyone else should be higher because they can destroy even more.
Olimar is reliable in the first place.
And why not?
Eh.
No, because it only hit Kirby and company.
Actually, they depict who worked on the game.
They launched Marx into space.
See above.
It's a different cutscene.
Enough of Samus' attacks could kill Kirby, but just one of them won't.
Fire Breath in both the games and the anime are streams of fire.
There isn't anything in the games that says Kirby can't create tornadoes like that, so no contradiction.
Other Kirby enemies are launched far as well. Can Samus survive thousands of pounds of force?
We don't really see the range of Schwarz' black hole, because it's a 2D game. The black hole being escapable suggests that Kirby is able to escape it, and my claim is supported because the hole is a OHKO.
are too low, and are too high.
That really doesn't matter. It follows immediately afterwards showing the Dreamstock in full bloom once again. It's the same location and there's no signs of damage anywhere.
You're inflating Kirby's ability beyond what he's capable of surviving. Say Samus uses the wavebuster. That constant stream of electricity is going to kill Kirby and he won't be able to do anything about it because he'll be immobilized, just like the space pirates that are hit by it. Here, the wavebuster is so powerful, that even Meta Ridley gets stunned. This is a boss whose strength, speed, and durability have been enhanced through cybernetics. Kirby's smaller, so he has less mass, which means he won't be able to take the punishment.
Yes, but in the anime, it causes Octacon to fly, whereas the fire breath in the games do not.
Except, the games never portray Kirby's tornado ability to work that way. It's been consistent. It contradicts the anime.
Such as? How large are they? What attack is used? Before you ask me if Samus can survive thousands of pounds-force, you need to support your claim.
I erred. We do see the range. It just doesn't do anything to Kirby until he comes in direct contact with it, which is what you'd only expect from a supermassive black hole.
We do in the credits.
What Dryn said.
We don't observe it.
Except it does.
"A powerful threat" doesn't equal "made to destroy a planet". Even if he was made to destroy a planet, that doesn't mean that it would work.
Destroying a world is counterproductive to dominating it.
How does resisting the effect mean that it must absorb it?
Sonic has 9,999 Rings. Mewtwo's attacks are practically ineffective, especially when taking into account Sonic's speed.
Marx is clearly not being launched by the force of Kirby's attacks. They send him sideways, they don't launch anything else in that fashion (including Marx himself later on), etc.
So, why would the same attacks suddenly not launch Marx?
Their equipment is different. That makes their abilities different. "So why does this apply to Meta Knight?" you may ask. Well, Meta Knight's powers mostly come from his equipment as well. The Galaxia sword is responsible for most of his attacks, the mask gives him durability, and his cape allows him to teleport as well as turning into his iconic bat wings. The equipment may look the same, but that's also the case for the Fetts; they just have a different paint job.
Which are unscathed in the credits.
Except it doesn't have any actual destructive force.
Hitting a ball up also negates the horizontal movement because of the technique. A baseball bat, for example, reverses the horizontal direction while sending the ball upwards. Kirby's flight, meanwhile, is only adding upwards movement. It's shown in the games that it doesn't negate horizontal momentum.
Flat things aren't lumpy.
I don't see anything stating, implying, or showing that that's the only thing in there.
A buzzsaw travelling at light speed is sure to make quite a dent.
I don't see any.
Even if they're surrounding him, and not lined up?
It would take long enough for at least one of the fireballs to hit him.
Prove it.
He's shocked, and he can't move. When he stops being shocked, he can move.
Is it stated to be the same technique, and do we see the same charging?
In that case, Team Rocket has been to orbit about a hundred and twenty-seven times now.
Telescopes aren't exclusive to stargazing.
Said fireball works on bricks, which are similar to Stone Kirby. Unless we see Stone Kirby resist this type of thing, we go with the closest comparison in Mario.
Then it becomes a grounded battle and the Wing Cap is unnecessary.
The Wing Cap is only a hat; I don't see why Gold Mario couldn't wear it.
Does he charge up beforehand?
The Reveal Glass isn't really a "power-up"; more like a "power-side". It increases some stats and decreases others. Meanwhile, Mega Evolutions only increase stats. Similarly, power-ups only increase Mario's abilities. Mega Stones are clearly the more apt comparison.
Some can.
Exactly, so he can't squeeze under the Clown Car.
Schwarz's lack of distortion is part of the artwork.
The lack of distortion does.
And if I turned into a jar full of pickles, that includes the pickles.
I have above. ^
Let's see. "PP" meaning "Power Points", attacks in Pokemon requiring energy, Pokemon not being able to use attacks without PP, etc. Plus, it's common knowledge; Bulbapedia also states this.
Whoops, wrong term. I meant that "balance" isn't a logical reason for Pokemon to have limited energy. They're wild animals; they want to survive, not be fair.
So, why are they separate?
Is Kirby skilled enough with a baton to swing it in these directions that rapidly and sparatically?
Ah. Super Sonic just flies up from below through the Warp Star, then.
How quickly can Kirby pick it up and activate it?
Prove that Kirby can react to an attack at 3x light speed.
What entry are you talking about?
You mean the ship's scanner?
He could have it from other sources.
That would probably require a wall at least 25 Pikmin thick. Then he would only have four sides protected (100/25=4), and bullets could just hit the vulnerable spots.
Which would then get shot down.
Outrageous sales pitches are likely wrong, and the knife is an outrageous sales pitch, so it is likely wrong. Since the journal entry is the same as the sales pitch and just as outrageous, then the journal entry is also likely wrong.
I could see the first one happening. Perhaps as a proof authenticity, or a marketing gimmick.
And new ones keep coming.
There's lots of evidence towards the theory, and even the ship backs this up.
No, one night on the ship = one relief. The thing he's being relieved from is the planet's dangerous surface, and he's still there when he finds treasures.
Pain is a sensation that we're all familiar with, and may or may not stem from injury. I could have a stomachache that causes me pain, but I'm not actually damaged.
Yes, he did it beforehand; he was on the planet beforehand.
Do these symptoms always occur?
Water can pass through other water, and yet it can be caught in a net (provided it doesn't have holes). In fact, Rosalina says that she forgot water, and Star Bits seem to be a suitable replacement. I'd say that Star Bits are sort of a liquid, but they stay together perhaps through a gravitational field (or just Mario magic).
And?
If Mario falls in, he dies.But not diagonally.
Schwarz is easily escapable. Mario black holes cannot be escaped. Schwarz lacks distortion. Mario black holes do not.
Black holes as part of a galaxy would work just fine.
True.
They zip around pretty quickly.
Um, they did...
If Sonic, say, tears through the Badniks and/or causes them to explode, the molecules of the Badnik are moving.
Hm?
Here's a clip of it in action. Of course, moving at his higher speeds would speed this up dramatically.
Because they're not in the same game.
Time is frozen.
For Sonic to kill Marth.
What's the difference?
Because of his new voice.
He can drown.
Which Sonic is using.
Yes.
K.
Why couldn't Samus set the autopilot, stand on top of the ship, and drop a Power Bomb while the ship is flying itself?
Hm?
A trampoline can bounce a child back up, but a heavy stone will likely break it. The stone's force is greater than that of the child.
It's not just the force that makes this impressive; the speed, invincibility, etc also help him.
Humans are never 100% reliable.
I don't see how expressions would be proof of anything other than what the character is feeling.
Do you have a video of this?
Then we remove the giant floating words from the equation.
Disproven.
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Physical strength
Speed
- 177 metric tons
Durability
- 30 m/s for outrunning a powder avalanche, which travels 25 m/s on a low-end.
- The varia suit in Metroid II: Return of Samus increases Samus' speed by 10%, giving her a speed of 33 m/s.
- The speed booster allows Samus to run 686 m/s.
Beams
- Immune to temperatures ranging up to 800°C and at least at -270.15°C.
- Taking Samus' mass and suit mass into consideration (190.99 kg.), as well as her top speed (686 m/s), she can withstand 131,019.14 N (14.73 tons-force).
- Immune to acid and acid rain possibly affected by Phazon, which would make it more potent.
Bombs
- Capable of firing energy, possibly x-rays, ice, plasma, electrolasers, matter-antimatter with a high-powered sonic aspect, &c.
- Bombs are capable of destroying sandstone, and the power bomb has a yield of at least 200+ metric tons of TNT.
Are there really cities on Popstar?
Pokemon Trainer is too high! He is the second best Pokemon character outside of Mewtwo. This is the lineup we have decided on for him http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Red_(game)#Pok.C3.A9mon_HeartGold_and_SoulSilver.
Sonic doesn’t go at three times light speed and don’t give me the hardware excuse. If another Sega studio can get a swordsman to cut light then the developers can get a convincing look going for light speed travel.
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Kirby Dragons
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monzer
Robin and Lucina beat Sonic thanks to Swordbreaker http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Swordbreaker. Male Robin can screw up Sonic with a combination of Counter http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Counter#Fire_Emblem:_Awakening and Miracle http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Miracle#Fire_Emblem:_Awakening. Can Super Sonic withstand being hit by himself? An example of the FE10 version of Miracle (this is supposed to be funny): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax1u-6Bx6r4 Ike does have this version of it.
Light speed = 396 SPD. Sonic's boost = 1200 SPD. The numbers speak for themselves. I don't see how you'd get convincing FTL travel while still having a playable game.
I don't believe that actual spacesuits are bulletproof. Even so, the glass would likely be the weak spot.
I don't see how this prevents him from getting surrounded.
Sonic won't be using a sword here, and even so, I don't see how a hit rate and evasion boost would win them the match.@
What is the maximum damage output Counter has produced, and what is the most powerful "fatal attack" that Miracle has counteracted? Also, what is the rate of activation for these skills?
Until we get Sonic Generations VS or something along those lines, we don't know for sure. He can survive attacks from a god of destruction, though, so I think that at most he'd lose his Rings. He definitely wouldn't get killed by it (assuming that Robin could actually deliver on this damage output).
Um... Okay.
(mega mewtwo x)(fairy deity)
The combined base stat total of all of reds Pokemon is much higher than mega mewtwo. Most Pokemon with "God" status have thor base stat totals of 680 or higher, lucario, Charizard, and greninja are all very close to that Total. Pikachu, jiggilpuff, and Pichu are much weaker, but they still have about 1/3 of God power.
I know I accedentally deleted part of the quote thing at the begining.@
Just hit the "reply" button and type your reply; the quote is made automagically. Also, if you mess up on a post, just hit the "edit" button; no need to double post.
The area that was shown there was near the center of the explosion, while the main part of the explosion happened mostly when the blast was traveling away from the center.
How much durability does Meta Ridley have anyways?
It causes enemies to fly in the games, actually.
A lot of Kirby's Copy Abilities have multiple moves. For example, in addition to basic strikes, Whip Kirby can create vortexes and latch onto enemies. Wing Kirby has electric attacks, and can spin enemies out of control. Yo-yo Kirby can attack using breakdancing. Rather than saying that isn't what Tornado Kirby does, we should just see it as an additional ability he hasn't used in the games.
The enemies can be around twice Kirby's size, and practically any attack Kirby uses can launch them.
Right.
See above.
Olimar does.
Prove it.
The creators needed Mewtwo to be able to destroy a planet, so something would actually happen when he was stopped.
Yes, but that would make Mewtwo planetary in function, supporting the claim that he can destroy a planet.
The effect doesn't happen on you. You can't resist things that don't happen to you.
Trick Room swaps speed maneuvers, so Mewtwo would practically be moving at the speed of light. Telekinesis prevents Sonic from dodging Mewtwo's attacks. Ultimately, Mewtwo wins because of this.
They do launch things in that fashion.
Kirby didn't want/need them to.
However, we've seen the clone's use of equipment the exact same as MK's equipment.
See above.
I'm not sure about this, but I think you can actually do that in a Kirby game.
True.
No body parts are in there.
But not destroy buildings/cities.
The border.
Yep.
Not if Kirby simply keeps it up, no.
Unless you can back this up with a statement from the game, it isn't true.
We don't see whether Kirby charges or not. It is visually the same as what it is in the games, and the wiki says this too.
Fair enough.
Except there's not really anything else he could have looked at.
That is fair.
After Mario switched power-ups, Kirby would jump and stone Mario in the head.
Because the Wing Cap switches Mario's transformation, so he wouldn't be Gold Mario anymore.
He does.
Stats ≠ abilities. Also, the Mega Evolutions can decrease stats as well. Both Mega Mewtwos have decreased Defense and Special Defense.
Those scissors have more force than a stationary wheel.
So? We weren't talking about the lack of distortion.
Prove it.
Ah.
They are separate because they are bonus cutscenes.
Yes.
Kirby could always grab onto the Warp Star while inhaling and spin around.
It activates as soon as it's picked up. Ignoring game mechanics, it would take him about 1/4 a second to pick it up, by pushing it upwards.
He'd inhale before the move even started.
All of the entries in Pikmin 1.
Yep.
Same thing applies.
The only vulnerable spot would be above Olimar, which the police force couldn't get to.
Call me when you can shoot down a spaceship using bullets.
Different sources.
Olimar doesn't actually show the journal to the customers.
Which are also destroyed.
How does this counter what I said?
He doesn't actually spend the nights on his ship.
Poison would essentially cause pain, and it causes damage in Pikmin.
Point?
The Pikmin don't actually die when thrown, and Olimar knows that they don't, so that isn't exactly reckless behavior.
They are some of the most common.
The net Rosalina used had holes.
A bit of a star is not made out of water.
She can't use two wand powers (forcefields/teleporting) at the same time.
Point?
Kirby has the ability to escape them.
Those black holes can easily be dodged.
Nowhere near as quickly as when they rocket off.
Only one of them did.
If Sonic destroys the molecules, how are they moving?
The explosion was never frozen in time, so the car can explode.
Sonic has to rise for that to happen. Enough time for Marth to sheathe his swords.
You said Blue Tornado moved at light speed because Sonic boosts, but he doesn't boost when he uses Blue Tornado.
Darksphere says otherwise.
Sonic isn't his body.
He doesn't howl when he talks, so no.
That isn't due to lack of oxygen. Super Sonic can breathe in space, but he can't drown.
That doesn't mean he has complete control over what Chaos Control does.
It's still an option for Kirby to fly away.
She could do that, but if Kirby flew away, the autopilot wouldn't know to follow.
The force of an attack only hits once. Kirby's guard doesn't resist the force of the attack, because the force doesn't hit the guard. If it did hit the guard, it wouldn't have force once it hit something else as it was reflected back.
Mirrors are different.
Mario's speed isn't really impressive, it won't help him accomplish anything. The invincibility lasts for 31 seconds total, and invincibility from the Starman is still penetrable. Mostly everyone will last for more than 31 seconds. I really don't see him as much of a threat.
But, his claim was backed up by his observation.
The battery is dealing with feelings, so it's proof.
See above.
That's what you think.
Something like that.
I've addressed this.
It'd be indefinite in game play. If we ignored game play, I'm honestly not sure. Samus is genetically engineered and was trained by the Chozo and the Galactic Federation Army. The former actually has three ancient tribes: small, normal, and large.
Of course. This is why Samus can be harmed by sharp objects. For anyone who doesn't know, force is not the same as pressure. Pressure is force over area.
I think you meant the sunburst, only because you mentioned the darkburst. The former fires what some might refer to as a miniature sun, probably because the darkburst is supposed to be like a black hole. (It's called "Buco Nero" in Italian, which means "black hole".) The sunburst can indirectly hit opponents. I tested the sunburst out not long ago before I restarted all of my Metroid Prime games and found this out as it was launched near sandbats. The darkburst has a limited range of sucking enemies into the void. Space pirates can be pulled in and they're taller than Samus. I'm not sure what their mass is, but in order to be at least 7 feet, you kind of end up having more mass.
Let's assume the power suit doubles Samus' athletic abilities, since she says "it boosts all of my natural athletic abilities". (Metroid: Other M Art Folio) Her physical strength would be 88.5 metric tons while her speed would be 15 m/s. Interestingly, I'm noticing that while I agree the "trillion teratons" is an error on Retro Studios' part, the calculations I've done are placing Samus' physical strength in that range anyway.
Probably.
Well, I'm not sure. I wouldn't be surprised if we can go up to 999 missiles. Here's while. In Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, Samus collects 250 missiles, just like she does in Metroid Prime. However, there is something different about MP2:E. There's an extra missile expansion, which means Samus collects 255 missiles in that game. But, by doing so, Samus ends up with 101% instead of 100%. We never get to see an upper limit of missiles Samus can collect because the games are developed in a way so that there's only a number of upgrades to collect to reach 100%. MP2:E is the exception because Retro Studios accidentally placed in an extra missile expansion.
Well, if you want to go strictly by game play, then we can consider the room the Queen Metroid is found in. If this room has the same dimensions as Room MW, which is toward the rear of the Bioweapon Research Center where the battle against the Queen Metroid takes place, then it would be 30 m. long. Look for Queen Metroid's Holding Cage here. I caught this image in the Japanese and noticed the dimensions, so as you might imagine, I was excited.
I think Zamus can defeat . . .
Interesting. You know, I've only always seen Donkey Kong as the one hitting the Moon, but there's something interesting about the Moon's gravity preventing Diddy Kong from launching away. I honestly would have to say that the one with both kongs is likely the canonical version. For Diddy Kong to do anything just by falling on his head would require for him to have greater mass than the moon he hits.
It's been a long while since I've played DK64. I could give it a try some time later, though.
That doesn't make sense. You told me when Sonic runs through the check point, it tells us how fast he's running. If you're using the SPD to determine this, then what does 1200 SPD mean? Is that miles, kilometers, feet, or meters?
Explosions encompass all angles, not just one.
None of Samus' weapons work against Meta Ridley, except his mouth and the thinner plating on his chest. He can be seen entering Tallon IV, which would mean he's resistant to the atmospheric re-entry temperatures. To give an idea, meteors break down as they pass through the atmosphere. Space shuttles require something like reinforced carbon-carbon for atmospheric re-entry. Meta Ridley also survived a fall from at least 13 storeys from what I calculated. There was that added explosion.
Do you have a video of this?
One that stands out to me is hyper tornado, but I haven't seen what that looks like.
Can I see these?
Or it's an oulier.
Got a YouTube link to these three times light speed racing courses? The 4X game genre can do this convincingly by having star fleets move interstellar distances during comparatively short periods of time.
@top 3 strongest
top 3 weakest
Geno Boost
I’m sure Pillager can take R.O.B., Duck Hunt and Wii Fit Trainer with her axe.@
monzer
You don’t add their stat totals together and compare them to Mewtwo, you run each battle individually to get the result. Mewtwo could KO the Pokemon Trainer immediately and then proceed to OHKO each Pokemon in turn.@
Kirby Dragons
There is one flaw with Trick Room, it has the lowest priority in the game. I can still see it succeeding thanks to Sonic’s ego though. How would this work against Ike, Robin and Lucina’s vantage http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Vantage?Sounds like she has a substantial advantage with traveling speed in the air and on the ground.It'd be indefinite in game play. If we ignored game play, I'm honestly not sure. Samus is genetically engineered and was trained by the Chozo and the Galactic Federation Army. The former actually has three ancient tribes: small, normal, and large.
The small type is able to perform quick movements while running. The three represent three of Samus' upgrades: the speed booster, the hi-jump boots, and the morph ball. With the Chozo DNA integrated in Samus, it could be possible that she can run for extended periods, but chances are, she probably doesn't use the speed booster as often as she runs her normal speed. Even then, what her running really depends on is endurance. People who perform the triathlon can travel great distances. And, then there's the fact that human bodies are excellent at long-distance running.
Of course. This is why Samus can be harmed by sharp objects. For anyone who doesn't know, force is not the same as pressure. Pressure is force over area.
I think you meant the sunburst, only because you mentioned the darkburst. The former fires what some might refer to as a miniature sun, probably because the darkburst is supposed to be like a black hole. (It's called "Buco Nero" in Italian, which means "black hole".) The sunburst can indirectly hit opponents. I tested the sunburst out not long ago before I restarted all of my Metroid Prime games and found this out as it was launched near sandbats. The darkburst has a limited range of sucking enemies into the void. Space pirates can be pulled in and they're taller than Samus. I'm not sure what their mass is, but in order to be at least 7 feet, you kind of end up having more mass.
Let's assume the power suit doubles Samus' athletic abilities, since she says "it boosts all of my natural athletic abilities". (Metroid: Other M Art Folio) Her physical strength would be 88.5 metric tons while her speed would be 15 m/s. Interestingly, I'm noticing that while I agree the "trillion teratons" is an error on Retro Studios' part, the calculations I've done are placing Samus' physical strength in that range anyway.
Well, I'm not sure. I wouldn't be surprised if we can go up to 999 missiles. Here's while. In Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, Samus collects 250 missiles, just like she does in Metroid Prime. However, there is something different about MP2:E. There's an extra missile expansion, which means Samus collects 255 missiles in that game. But, by doing so, Samus ends up with 101% instead of 100%. We never get to see an upper limit of missiles Samus can collect because the games are developed in a way so that there's only a number of upgrades to collect to reach 100%. MP2:E is the exception because Retro Studios accidentally placed in an extra missile expansion.
Well, if you want to go strictly by game play, then we can consider the room the Queen Metroid is found in. If this room has the same dimensions as Room MW, which is toward the rear of the Bioweapon Research Center where the battle against the Queen Metroid takes place, then it would be 30 m. long. Look for Queen Metroid's Holding Cage here. I caught this image in the Japanese and noticed the dimensions, so as you might imagine, I was excited.
The Queen Metroid is 11 m. according to a cut-scene where we see the Queen Metroid's height and length. It already looks like it can cover at least 22 m. without any issue, so it looks like it'd be fine using 30 m. anyway. With that in mind, we can use E = R^5 * air density / t^2. Using TNT as Samus' explosive, considering this is one of the two common explosives (the other being C4), this means the time it takes for 6,900 m/s to cover 30 m. is 4.35 milliseconds
Air density will be assumed to be 1.225 kg/m^3, since that's your typical air density anyway. The blast radius is 30 m. Having a more accurate dimension for means that a single power bomb will produce 376.76 metric tons of TNT. When I say blast radius, I'm only thinking of the fireball. I'm not even thinking of the other effects that come along with it.
I think Zamus can defeat . . .
- Bowser
- Bowser Jr.
- Diddy Kong
- Donkey Kong
- Dr. Mario
- Duck Hunt
- Jigglypuff
- Little Mac
- Meta Knight
- Mr. Game & Watch
- Olimar
- Pac-Man
- R.O.B.
- Sheik
- Villager
- Wii Fit Trainer
- Zelda
This is just a rough guess. The names not mentioned either would defeat Zamus or be neutral. In Samus' case most of the roster with the power bomb.
Interesting. You know, I've only always seen Donkey Kong as the one hitting the Moon, but there's something interesting about the Moon's gravity preventing Diddy Kong from launching away. I honestly would have to say that the one with both kongs is likely the canonical version. For Diddy Kong to do anything just by falling on his head would require for him to have greater mass than the moon he hits.
It's been a long while since I've played DK64. I could give it a try some time later, though.
Wouldn't the center of the explosion be the area with the most force? Either way, if this explosion has the destructive power you say it does, then there should be at least some sort of damage.
He can withstand multiple Super Missiles.
Do you have footage of this?
Tornado Kirby has been shown launching cyclones in the games, and they're very different from those used in the anime.
How far?
He uses the same attacks. If I swing a baseball bat at a ball, I can't just "choose" to launch it one time and not to another time if I'm using the same swing.
Prove it.
Attacks that hit Rainbow Mario are negated, or blocked.
Needing something =/= that thing actually happening.
"Planetary in function" is meaningless.
Resisting causes effects to not take place. A suit of armor could be cut in half by, say, a sword, but it's durability allows it to resist that effect so that it doesn't occur.
Trick Room is described as, "The user creat[ing] a bizarre area in which slower Pokémon get to move first for five turns." Getting to move first seems to indicate that it's some sort of agreement. It doesn't say that Pokemon become faster or slower. Even if it did have an effect here, Sonic could just leave that area.
Teleportation via Chaos Control would allow Sonic to escape the TK.
With that amount of distance?
That's not how physics work.
And we've seen Boba and Jango Fett use equipment similarly. Their jetpacks both allow them to fly.
Do you have video of this?
No body parts are in my stomach, but that doesn't mean that I lack internal organs.
Force equals mass times acceleration. The acceleration here is enormous, so it's sure to cause quite some damage. He could destroy buildings or cities given enough time (which isn't much given his speed).
That seems more like the darkness of space than the darkness of the explosion.
Can't he only Star Spit in one direction at once?
It depends on the speed. Either way, while Kirby is busy dealing with the fireballs (with no Copy Ability, mind you), Bowser gets up close and squashes Kirby.
Um, what exactly does this have to do with flamethrowers?
Or evidence from the games. Statements aren't the only kind of evidence.
Could you link the video again please?
What about the enemy?
So if Kirby uses Stone, Mario wins due to the Gold Flower.
It's instantaneous. It takes a second in-game, but time is frozen during that second.
The power-ups in Super Mario 64 are different than the ones usually found in the series. Usually, Mario just touches it and he transforms. However, in Mario 64, they're literally just hats. The animation shows him putting it on, rather than instantly transforming, and for the Wing Cap, only his hat is changed. Gold Mario is capable of putting on a hat, so the effects should still work.
Don't Mega Evolved Pokemon have an additional Ability?
Similarly, some Mario power-ups can have downsides. Mini Mario, for instance, is lighter and more agile, but can be killed in one hit and has a weaker stomp.
And a rapidly spinning one?
The lack of distortion is a difference from IRL black holes.
You're kidding, right? If I morph into a jar containing pickles (assuming that there were no pickles present before the transformation), then I transform into both the jar and the pickles.
So PP = energy.
In that case, are "bonus" (unlockable) stages non-canon?
Those aren't fast enough and changing directions at the same time. It's one or the other, and you'd need both here.
Which would accomplish what, exactly?
Chaos Control is quicker.
The boost starts practically instantaneously, and will reach Kirby practically instantaneously. I doubt that Kirby would think to inhale the empty space in front of him at the very start of the match.
The battery isn't mentioned in Pikmin 1.
That's a character; it has a personality, and again, is responsible for the incorrect sales pitches.
I meant the stress.
Here's a diagram of what I mean:
Rockets from, say, an anti-air cannon would also work.
With the same information that is likely to be false.
He might have been planning to. It would be a pretty neat marketing gimmick.
Isn't he still dealing with monsters etc when he acquires the knife?
Olimar denying the king of bugs theory isn't necessarily sane, not does it help his case in being able to pick up on crazy thoughts. A false positive is a sign of inaccuracy.
Where does he spend them?
And? Things that injure you often cause pain, but that doesn't mean that all things that cause pain are injuries.
He threw the Pikmin before because he was on the planet at that time, leading to this symptom.
It's extremely dangerous.
If they don't always occur, lack of them doesn't mean that Olimar isn't going through this.
The Star Bits are bigger than the holes.
And?
When is this proven/stated/demonstrated?
I don't see how your argument says anything about it working "diagonally" (which isn't actually a solid concept in space, since there isn't a universal "down").
He has the ability to escape Schwarz. Show me where Kirby escaped a black hole from the Mario series.
The swirl effect represents distortion, and the rest is the actual singularity, so no distortion would occur there IRL.
They do, actually.
Schwarz =/= Mario black hole, so Kirby hasn't been shown to escape Mario black holes, so we can't assume that he could.
Not if there are lots of them.
They do have control over their movement, though.
Multiple Lumas can be fed at once.
He doesn't. He's separating them. That's what tearing something apart is.
Something similar would happen to the sword, I'd imagine.
The tornado appears almost right when the move is initiated.
Because he doesn't have both abilities at once. The Blue Tornado is from Heroes, and the boost is from Unleashed onwards. If he had both at once (which he does here), he could use them both for a faster tornado.
Willpower says otherwise.
Sonic is a combination of his body, personality, etc.
His voice is lowered, meaning that there's something going on throughout his voice.
He prevents drowning by breathing in air or bubbles thereof.
Because?
Samus's gunship is faster than the Warp Star, and could get ahead of Kirby to drop the Power Bomb and destroy him.
If it can drop specific ammo on a specific target, it should be able to handle a moving target.
It hits the guard, and so it gets reflected back.
Powerful enough lasers can damage mirrors.
Mega Mario can get around pretty quickly.
We don't see an observation. If there was a tear in time and space that was significant enough to be useful here, I'd imagine we'd see some effects.
Olimar expresses love before the battery is introduced.
Ah, so it's someone else using the crown? I doubt that any normal being would be able to handle/control infinite power.
The ratio isn't directly stated, but using the Light Speed Dash (which has a clear equivalent IRL), we can find out the ratio. 396 SPD = light speed. In that case, 1200 SPD = roughly three times light speed.
Sure thing. (Watch the right hand side for the SPD measurement.)
How fast are said lightning strikes?
What is the most powerful attack that Counter has been shown to fully return, and what is the most powerful attack that Miracle has let the user survive?
If Counter actually hits with the full force.
Um... okay.
I assume Mach 2, only because the description in Metroid Fusion and Metroid: Zero Mission says "dash at supersonic speeds". "Speeds" is plural. Munomario777 said it could just mean Samus is moving Mach 1.3 instead of Mach 1.2 (the low-end speed), but I pointed out that if the speed difference was negligible, there wouldn't be any reason to use "speeds".
I'm not sure how far Robin can fly. The speed for the arwings is unknown. There was no citation for it traveling Mach 4.2 in the atmosphere. Anyway, Samus could utilize the speed booster and space jump. The only issue is Samus would be traveling linearly, so any alteration on the arwings' part could prevent Samus from successfully attacking.
I don't know by how much the power suit enhances Samus' abilities. I just went with doubling.
It is, but the limitation is also that Samus is incapable of acquiring more missiles because that's all she can collected in those games.
Yeah, including radiation.
I must have forgotten about King Dedede.
I think Samus has experienced enough aliens in her lifetime to be able to take down the Xenomorphs. Her character and the series is inspired by the Alien franchise.
That reminds me. It takes multiple blasts from war grade missiles (I presume they meant military-grade) to destroy cordite in Metroid Prime, but one super missile will destroy it.
Poop. That's all I could think.
Light speed dash takes place in the air, doesn't it?
