AllyKnight
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lmao ^.
We need them results
We need them results
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I fixed 9th place and added on 13tg1. Ally
2. Razer
3. Dojo
4. ADHD
5. Atomsk
5. Vinnie
7. Shugo
7. Will
9. Tyrant
9. Trela
9. Inui
9. Logic
13. Smoom
13. MVD
13. Illmatic
13. RedHalberd
1. Ally Dojo
2. Razer Gnes
3. Shugo ADHD
None other than ur boy poltergust.Who got the most *****es at the rave?
I say Will or Lee since they are experienced with those ****s.
This live topic thing where the new posts just appear is awesome!! Is this for every thread on smashboards or specific ones?Was the Ally vs. Trela set streamed? Did any of you two save the replays?
Yes, I implemented the live topic stuff btw
Lmao!! I'll forever love you Ally for continually doing thisleffen no one cares about you.
We need a result thread. XYRO WHERE YOU AT?
Yoshi's mad gay. If it was You + not a yoshi, we'd have such a bigger chance least I didnt lose Low tier singlesSo, Polt and I are beast.
THISim going to be dissapointed if alot of matches aren't uploaded. noone was saving replays.
Dakpo I know for sure that my set vs Will and RedHalberd were saved, if you could upload it I would greatly appreciate it.
Also 10 minute timer is not going to do ANYTHING. This is coming from the guy who took MJG/Ensis to timer with two stocks left multiple times at this tournament.
12 minutes.. maybe.
Only Xyro has those, wait until late today/tomorrow/whenever he feels like putting them up.The whole tourney results.
^^^^^Honestly, it's this type of mentality that is ruining what little competitive value this game has. It's this type of mentality that has this whole thread in an uproar against what the BBR is doing. It's this kind of mentality that was prevalent in the BBR when I was a member.
You guys always try to boil the game down to situational solutions to these near broken strategies. These solutions don't deepen gameplay, they only make things centralized and shallow.
I don't think you need one on every single character in the game. The problem is that characters that aren't technically "broken" at planking still get strong advantages, and people would rather see gay things occur onstage instead of dealing with the edge. Infinites onstage, chain grabs, etc compared to drop down Upb/etc.I have to agree with Rich here. Its a stupid rule and shouldn't be allowed. It doesn't make sense for there to be no LGL for everyone but MK, when some characters are able to safely plank(GnW, DK, ect.) Will even said on the livestream "I wanted to say I did this to show people how gay and stupid this rule is."
The game frankly will die out either way. Think about it like this:Read the 3rd sentence. Please read my whole post before responding to it.
To me, the whole LGL means stifling character progress. I'd rather innocent characters not be negatively affected. Of course with characters being able to do it, as long as the tactics are beatable, countermeasures will be developed.
The sad thing, as I pointed out earlier, is that regardless of what you do you will encourage a cycle of meta CPing that leads to MK being the best choice anyways. Ok, DK vs Olimar might not be as bad of a MU anymore if you put on a LGL for DK (remember potentially... because this is still very hazy atm for a lot of characters.), but it won't make the game any better. Like you could still say "Well why deal with any BS when I can go MK/better character" and this cycle or logical flowchart is killing the game.I can't believe people still play Brawl for fun.
How about, rather than *****ing about every single part of the game (stages, Meta Knight, camping, planking, scrooging, etc...) you either:
a) Use a character who can abuse said tactic
or
b) Don't play
Oh, and just thought I should bring up the irony (if it hasn't already been brought up) of an Olimar main complaining about gay tactics.
Some characters are so bad against planking, that even very BAD plankers can get away with it. You ever seen Ganondorf vs CF where CF grabs the edge a **** ton?wow lmao, are people really discussing this?
yea will was not at fault cause he didnt break the rules
but this is not about what rich said to will
or whether or not what will did was right.
the problem is the stupid *** ruleset, and the braindead people whoever created that ruleset.
this cannot happen again.
or brawl will die very very soon.
the game is already defensive enough, why the **** would you allow everyone but mk infinite planking options?
there are some characters that by their design, cannot handle planking.
so if this stupid ruleset stands, some tiers, as well as MU's, need to be changed immediately.
The **** are you talking about? No one is even close to complaining about Jiggs. But you know what, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if even tethers were gonna come into questions. People hate the idea of planking, regardless of how strong it is, and it's a shame because that probably tends to cloud judgment over what should be done in each case/what needs to be done overall.Jigglypuff can also plank at Meta Knight's level in the majority of match-ups.
I personally think that every character excluding Diddy Kong should be banned.
well it might bring out full potential in certain characters, but it also degrades/makes it nearly impossible for others. There should be a LGL for all characters, cuz not only MK can plank.
Yeah Rich it was fine. You apologized literally like 10 seconds after the rant to Will, and that was a big step forward at such a soon time. I respect Will for not rubbing this in your face or **** talking you about this, and I respect you more for apologizing to him on the spot and getting to the "calm point" fairly quickly. End of the day, I have a lot of respect for both of you, and even Allan for talking to you about it and coming together with something.Well I've had some time to calm down, so I wanna say a few things then leave this alone:
-I apologize to Will and everyone else for the things I said after the match and on the livestream. Will and I talked and we are cool. It's very, very hard for me to not be mad at him, because let's be honest: any one of you would be mad too if you had a legit chance of placing high in tourney, spending 300 bucks to do so, then have someone plank you that hard (especially after you 3 stocked them the previous game lolol). But as ******** as it was, my displaced anger should have gone towards the situation, not Will.
Xyro just approached me a few minutes ago and apologized profusely for what happened, and also informed me he would be enforcing a LGL at all future tournaments.
I'm more sad than anything right now, but ultimately something good came out of this, and if I had to be the one to suffer for it then so be it.
I'm sorry for anything rude I said to Xyro/Will/anyone else in this discussion. I just hope you all at least understand my frustration with what happened.
The funny thing is that all of the problems in brawl tend to stem from the mindset of the players rather than the game itself. You can play super gay in virtually any game where you compete against another player. The problem is that we still have this "Win at all costs" mentality where we are willing to make the game as boring as possible for the sake of winning a match.
You can't make a rule in a fighting game to stop people from playing super gay, that comes down to the player more than anything else. I totally understand why Rich was pissed. I would be pissed as well if I paid all of that cash for a super fun tournament only to be ledge camped to death. If Brawl dies (Which I do not think will happen anytime soon) it will be solely because of the anti-fun mentalities of so many brawl players.
That is why I personally love the LA scene. Are we the best? No. But we play some damn good matches and we do not gay each other to death on a regular basis solely to win. The rest of the competitive community at a higher level needs to adopt a similar mindset.
If you are not gonna play for fun why bother playing?
It's a bit more complicated than that, and I know you know that, but I'm not gonna get into it right here right now. Some other thread, some other time, a more indepth discussion will be had.lol @ scrubs that whine about planking
jus get bettar
Not every character should have a secondary. You know that, and are overexaggerating the "secondary effect" that would come into play from a strong tactic that changes MU's like planking. You could say "MK makes every character look into a secondary" or "this hard MU makes this character look into a secondary" and go down the list finding stuff for everyone in that regard.i've already dealt with this bull**** in grand finals in mid tier singles.
i got lucky and counterpicked stages that Pit couldn't plank on and ended up beating Esca game 5 because he made a mistake.
Xyro, for the 28th time - LGL please.
Also Grim Tuesday you are basically stating that every character should have a secondary, simply because some characters can beat almost half of the cast without an LGL. (See Pit in Japan).
Will just gave us a prime example of how ******** a tournament without an LGL can be in America.
Yeah. What you just said is why I suggested heavily looking into non LGL alternatives because people will find ways around that.People seem to forget that the LGL does not gonna mean the complete end of timeouts. Someone said Redhalberd timed out someone with like 28 LGs?
But with that aside, people just want to keep banning stuff in hopes to make the game... more fun? Less gay? More fair? then more than just DK planking rofl. With Unwinnable matchups and we just tell the people who main characters who get ****ed by 0-deaths/locks, "pick up a 2ndary for said matchup."
So then, why not have an olimar have a pocket DDD for DK? Same **** to me. Both character specific 0-deaths and planking timeouts are equally as gay to me, and both can be remedied by one thing, switching characters.
In brawl, people will always find loopholes to rules, and, if we want to ban stuff that makes the game "boring and gay", then you have a lot more to worry about then just different characters planking.
Rolling is an approach in this game FFS, so if your gonna take this game seriously thenbe prepared for not just some, but all of the gay **** there is and honestly, most players aren't even playing the game as gay as they could be
Btw my pool was
1. shugo
2. dphat
3. ozz
good stuff
You want proof that this ****ing game is dying? Dphat, Atomsk, and I planned on either this or Genesis 2 being our last "real" tournaments. Jason (even if you don't believe him) has recently talked about quitting Brawl/smash in general. People who like the game naturally, also have outside life **** to deal with. Dojo, Lee Martin, etc probably won't play much longer for their own reasons.People been predicting that this game would "die" back in 2008 and now there are more tourneys than ever worldwide with consistently increasing attendance. Seriously gtfo with that BS it's NOT gonna happen because this game is still awesome no matter what.
And you actually took it serious in 2008 when the game had just CAME OUT? It's 2011 and where are you getting increasing attendance??? So many people don't even play anymore and more and more people are quitting
I like this post.Any talk of how much fun people had at the actual tournament? o_O considering the turnout was higher than WHOBO 2and all the massive hype for some matches, guess I'll wait for the results topic.
@ planking complainers
Would you have been fine to see Will get camped to death onstage and possibly 3-stocked again, even though DK had enough tools when used properly, could give olimar a little bit of trouble? People also seem to forget Pikachu vs ICs on FD, where that seems to be Pikachu's most prominent strategy against them. If the characters are so good, they should have options against these things.
@Illmatic
Just because Esca was a little harder this time because of the no- LGL isn't really a good reason. Peach not having many answers to it makes planking the ledge an obvious advantageous strategy. In the end, didn't your skills prevailed anyways. (and who knows, if you practice you may discover some nasty things peach could do to chars on the ledge).
My best wishes from this hopes that this planking complaining or whatever progresses into a dynamic ledge/offstage game for more characters. Can't expect to deal with something you've never truly experienced before.
If someone gave me a reason to stop planking of DK of all characters then I'd be like okay, but I haven't seen it yet other than crying.
The part I agree with is being flexible.The metagame changes towards better plankers and characters than can dislodge them from the easier. Why are we preventing this? Its the natural course of the game, we will either find new counters to most of the plankers or the game will 100% degenerate. If you ban pre-emptively you will never know if there is going to be new counters. Also, losing a match by getting 3 stock then planking and winning is a perfectly legit technique as long as the planking is not overcentralizing vs the whole cast. I didn't see will plank his way to top 3, where you at richbrown, wheres your counterpicking? Your adaptation? Its your job as a player to keep up with these things. Don't blame planking when it only works vs you, don't blame the rules for not banning planking, blame yourself for not coming up with a better way to beat it. As always, expect the unexpected and be able to adapt on the fly.
What's wrong with certain characters deserving certain rules? Let's say that exactly 5 characters were BROKEN on the ledge. Completely BROKEN. MK Pika blah blah blah. Good. Now, if we know this, WHY would we turn around and say "Hey Wario, you can't grab the edge because it could be broken?"When a tourney thread turns into conversation over drama, it usually gets locked and a specific thread is created by a mod over it lol. inb4closedthread.
Some people still do play to get better and to prove their skill level to themselves and others.
The ledge grab rule should be on everyone because it is not correct to limit MK specifically. While this has been done for MK's infinite dimensional cape, no one else in the game has that tactic available to them, but everyone can grab the ledge. Broken or not, 1 character shouldn't be nerfed by a rule placed in play specifically for them. Everyone must abide to and play by the same rules. When the rules are made different for certain characters, that is just wrong.
You have people still looking into it for a lot of characters, and options.can we please have MORE THAN ONE PERSON IN THE BBR (i.e. MORE THAN JUST ADUM) looking at planking for each character? it's very tiring to see all these complaints about planking when we don't have that much data about it
i'd like to see some research done on combating every character's planking before we call it broken lol
Esam lost to illmatic and mvd
Seibrik lost to me and redhalberd. And infinity in pools. I think he went wario vs infinity.
Redhalberd lost to tyrant and adhd i think. And espy in pools.
MVD lost to trela and me iirc.
*Dphat voice*Some of That's 70's show was there.
Trela as Eric Forman.
Nicole as Donna.
Dojo as Fez.
Austin got a ****-ton of new people recently.There ARE some new players getting into the scene. 2 players from Texas just got into the game, with Whobo being their 2nd real tournament IIRC.