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Isn't jr and lucario 50:50 consedering how easy lucario can be killedWorst: megaman, mario, villager, sheik, olimar, zss.
Best: Game and Watch, Jigglypuff, Gannondorf, Kirby, King Dedede.
I do think lucario could be a bad matchup too, it all depends if you get that early kart>up B hammer combo kill or not. If you don't close the stock with that reliable killer set-up then it's a very dangerous matchup.
ya maybe it's 50/50 and just extra stressful lolIsn't jr and lucario 50:50 consedering how easy lucario can be killed
Luigi, out of all the top tiers, is probably one of the most "doable" MUs for Jr. Safe, powerful and long reach disjoints give him a good zoning game that Luigi has difficulties to break, and the fireball nerf added to that a lot. Combine that to Jr's very versatile offstage game that can easily contest Luigi's recovery, and you get a MU that is actually not bad at all for him. The only really annoying things outside of grab shenanigans is that the grounded kart can't get past the fireball, but even that can be circumvented if you exploit the super armor a little.On a personal note I believe Luigi may be one of the worst too, but not sure. Mario is a given however.
Luigi, out of all the top tiers, is probably one of the most "doable" MUs for Jr. Safe, powerful and long reach disjoints give him a good zoning game that Luigi has difficulties to break, and the fireball nerf added to that a lot. Combine that to Jr's very versatile offstage game that can easily contest Luigi's recovery, and you get a MU that is actually not bad at all for him. The only really annoying things outside of grab shenanigans is that the grounded kart can't get past the fireball, but even that can be circumvented if you exploit the super armor a little.
Mario is a complete *******, though.
I'd say worst are Sheik / Rosa / maybe ZSS & Pac / Megaman while some of his best bets are Falcon and most of the other heavies + swordsmen.
Really megaman is Jr's worst matchup? Can you explain. No wonder I had a really hard time beating my brother.Worst: megaman, mario, villager, sheik, olimar, zss, rosalina, toon link.
Best: Game and Watch, Jigglypuff, Gannondorf, Kirby, King Dedede.
I do think lucario could be a bad matchup too, it all depends if you get that early kart>up B hammer combo kill or not. If you don't close the stock with that reliable killer set-up (or with a hard smash attack read) then it's a very dangerous matchup.
On a personal note I believe Luigi may be one of the worst too, but not sure. Mario is a given however.
I can explain this with one word, LemonsReally megaman is Jr's worst matchup? Can you explain. No wonder I had a really hard time beating my brother.
From what I've gathered, the only two swordsmen I see holding their ground against Jr are Ike (good spacing options and reach / power) and Shulk (3km long beam sword) but they still overall suffer from the same problems as the others, as if not a lot of answers to Jr's stage control and offstage game.I can see us doing decently vs him (at least compared to mario lol). I do think we have advantage over all the heavies in the game, but I'm not sure about the sword users. I am 2-0 vs the best marth and the best ike over here in socal but I'm still not sold that we have an advantage per se.
also at what point in luigi's recovery do you think we should be trying to go after him? He has a good recovery (distance wise) and I hear that it is gimpable but I rarely gimp it.
thats actually really sad D: they should fix to "Jrs Weak Hurtbox" doesnt overlap the Clown Cart Hurtbox. it should be vice versa (that its easier to hit the Cart Hurtbox instead)New DK isn't a great mu anymore. What used to be advantageous is now 50/50 at best due to bjr dying super early to cargo upthrow> uair. For whatever reason the uair hits the top half of bjr's hurtbox, meaning he dies way earlier than he should.
Yeah I agree completely.thats actually really sad D: they should fix to "Jrs Weak Hurtbox" doesnt overlap the Clown Cart Hurtbox. it should be vice versa (that its easier to hit the Cart Hurtbox instead)
I actually faced 1 Olimar beside CPUs with Bowser jr. (might explained why I lost badly xD) and didn't noticed it. Ill try to test it tomorrow morning if I have time.speaking of Olimar...
has anyone else noticed that pikmin latched onto the clown car are not killed by Jr's Up Special - and that they just move to his body instead?
has anyone found a way to knock pikmin off effectively?? I remember that it's always a struggle.
speaking of Olimar...
has anyone else noticed that pikmin latched onto the clown car are not killed by Jr's Up Special - and that they just move to his body instead?
has anyone found a way to knock pikmin off effectively?? I remember that it's always a struggle.
It favours Pacman- and that MU isn't as weird as Kirby vs Olimar; the true definition of jank.I have a question about the weirdest matchup in Smash 4. How do I play Boswer Jr. vs. Pacman, and who does the MU favor?
And I'm guessing that you guys have done nothing but play good ganon's.That's cool. I'm guessing you guys have extensive practice in that mu
Ontario has a ludicrous number of dedicated Ganon mains. We have one on our PR. It's actually super bizarre.And I'm guessing that you guys have done nothing but play good ganon's.
Oh, fair enough then! XDOntario has a ludicrous number of dedicated Ganon mains. We have one on our PR. It's actually super bizarre.
Yeah, I suppose we have different mindsets for how 40:60 is interpreted. For me, 40:60 is bad, but not terribly far from even. "Drastic" for me would be 30:70, 20:80, etc etc.Your description actually makes it sound like mario is, in fact, a really bad mu and that you're winning through better matchup knowledge. Mario is an easy character to predict and play against even without much matchup experience, bowser jr is not. I'd say the mu is 40:60 as well, but based on the way you typed that my guess is you don't think 40:60 is as drastic as it actually is.