Q&A Unleashing a 2-D Horror - A Game and Watch Thread

[Juushichi]

I'd also like to note that dash attack also works as well against that sort of situation.

 

[Oracle]

you need to use hammer more. there were tons of situations where a hammer would have been the best followup where you just parachuted or faired, and as a result falcon was living way longer than he should have been. you also were being a little too safe with your edgeguards. you should be trying to go offstage a little more vs falcon since you can safely do that against him.

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

Real talk, every advice post by Oracle I've seen is about hammer

Played my brother today, "Game and Watch should be banned" He's only 13 though, soooooo. Opinions on the Snake match-up?

Also holy **** I love his Uair in this game

 

[Oracle]

i mean hammer is the weakest aspect of most people's gnw, and generally they don't come here for regular gameplay advice (and I don't like to give it anyways)

 

[dettadeus]

If I had any intention of going G&W at Hype III then I'd see if I could get some matches recorded, but I plan to stick with R.O.B. until I get out of heartbreak mode.
Might be a while.

 

[Juushichi]

Opinions on the Snake match-up?

Luckily Game and Watch isn't so complex that you really need general advice here. A lot of what he is, is pretty obvious on the first look.

Also, opinion on vs Snake? Avoid large, open stages like Dreamland and Dracula's Castle. If they're smart, they're going to put themselves in situations where they're going to use their favorable weight to DI out and return onstage with a grenade or ect. Snake can live quite a while doing this, especially given these large stages.

Snake doesn't have the greatest approach, but he's got a very serviceable foxtrot, dash and wavedash for baiting things on the defensive side of things. He can pull a grenade just like in Brawl and force trades that you as a GnW don't really want to take and above even that, he's got a pretty strong Up-B OoS that stuffs a lot of followups from GnW. You don't want to be grabbed at low percents because he can still Uthrow to stick you or he can set you down with dthrow an abuse our generally poor tech options. That including throwing us into mines and stuff.

Be ready to attempt a lot of baiting and probably spam a lot of bacon to trigger traps, block grenades and figure your way in to threaten his space. Don't rush in too soon and too recklessly because Snake will **** you and you'll find stocks disappearing like crazy. Maybe save fair until you get a confirm, use a bit more bair for spacing and nair for the shield pushback. I tried to experiment with dair when I played Sago (which is embedded below), but it wasn't super effective. Beats pure crouch cancelling though. Uair is pretty nice, but you don't want to hit a grenade with it either. Also be patient getting off of the ledge in this MU.

 

[Oracle]

snake is my kryptonite because I always rush in like a moron

 

[Juushichi]

It was extremely awkward playing that set vs Sago at first, I just wanted to go ham.

It seems pretty decent though, once you get a decent enough % lead. I did that in Game Two to put him in a worse situation and it seemed to work out pretty well. There's a fair amount of risk management involved.

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

Finally got to play some people (only friendlies) with the GnW, hammer IS real.

Please tell me tech chasing with Dair is legit

 

[Yung Mei]

its 2013 and youre not techchasing with shine, what are you some kind of nerd?

shiggedy doo

 

[Juushichi]

use pan hit to cover the tech in place

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

I just really like short hops and moving forward with the key

Also I was surprised at the speed you need to DACUS with GnW, what the ****, man.

 

[dettadeus]

G&W's DACUS isn't even hard, bro.

Then again I played Brawl Sheik for a while and her DACUS was harder.

 

[Juushichi]

That's exactly it.

I mained Sheik for about a year so I'm used to it. It's not hard for me now, but I could see why it would be hard for someone else.

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

I didn't say it was hard, I'm just surprised compared to other DACUSes that I've done with other characters the speed that is required.

And of course, the silly you-can't-use-the-Z-button

 

[dettadeus]

You can use the Z button if you set it to attack.

 

[QraQ]

Skillet spike, the only strat you need............. -.-

 

[Yung Mei]

i did all my dacus's using only cstick, and its now impossible for me to use any other method, so i cant dacus at will with gnw ;w;

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

I can do it pretty well, I just need to train it into muscle memory when the time presents itself.

I think I'm gonna main GnW, fingers crossed he gets just a little buffed in the next patch, otherwise, I'll just have to deal with it.

Also, Juu, you play a lot of not great characters from what I saw on the stream

 

[QraQ]

Meh I dun think GnW needs a buff. He has a lot of factors about him that counter many characters imo. Bacon and pan being primary in that case.

 

[Metmetm3t]

You just wait until you play against your first Link

 

[Yung Mei]

link is butts

 

[dettadeus]

Reasons I play R.O.B. more in tournament now:
#4: Three or four of our best PM players play Link

 

[Juushichi]

I can do it pretty well, I just need to train it into muscle memory when the time presents itself.

I think I'm gonna main GnW, fingers crossed he gets just a little buffed in the next patch, otherwise, I'll just have to deal with it.

Also, Juu, you play a lot of not great characters from what I saw on the stream

Yeah, I like dabbling in mid-tier characters. It's not necessarily that I don't enjoy playing good characters (I basically play all of them), but I don't really explore tech in any of them.

Unless you mean that none of my play with those characters is particularly good. You're not really incorrect in either case, though.

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

Mostly the former, but I guess I can't really talk with the characters I like in Brawl/PM, haha

Is there anyone with a sword GnW beats? Ganondorf doesn't count.

 

[Juushichi]

I actually think that he does pretty decently against both Links.

A bit worse against Adult Link though. He doesn't beat either of them, though.

ZSS (and Ike) tho. Talk about a MU I play Link for.

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

Can you still bucket Zero Suit's D-Smash? I remember it being ultra powerful in Brawl.

 

[Juushichi]

Yes, but you can't bucket her speed or her side B

 

[dettadeus]

When I teamed with Ryker at GH3 we were originally gonna do G&W/ZSS but then he said if I felt more comfortable with ROB we could ditch the gimmick and just go with our mains.
Dunno if we would've done much better having bucket gimmicks than we did without though, I would've died like 80 times earlier.

 

[QraQ]

Mostly the former, but I guess I can't really talk with the characters I like in Brawl/PM, haha

Is there anyone with a sword GnW beats? Ganondorf doesn't count.

I think GnW does well against Pit and Marth/

Yes, but you can't bucket her speed or her side B

Holding bucket works so well against basically every energy projectile. Just hold and instarelease if they try to close-in. Also the refresh time on using bucket to bring out another bucket is very fast, so it can combat energy projectile spamming. Only downside to me is the lag it takes to use oil spill is usually enough for people to attack above and behind you.

 

[Yung Mei]

hell no against pit, and maybe against marth

 

[QraQ]

The only thing pit has an advantage on him is arrow gimping offstage, and even then GW can still UpB to safety in most situations.
Bacon and pan (pan clinks arrows) are more than enough to deal with long range arrow pressure and glide approaches. They're even in inside game imo.

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

GnW's Judge is now slightly more viable, discuss

 

[Yung Mei]

i turned 20 today and am still the kawaiiest gnw, deal with it peasants

 

[dettadeus]

If you're a real G&W main you don't need hints for what the next number is.

 

[Yung Mei]

i made this in 20 minutes

its uploading to yt atm, so itll be like 20 minutes before you can actually see it, im just posting it now because its 3 am or something and i wanna go to bed

protip, youre all unkawaii and i invented GNW combos, get reckt scrublets

[j/k i luv u all]

 

[QraQ]

i made this in 20 minutes

its uploading to yt atm, so itll be like 20 minutes before you can actually see it, im just posting it now because its 3 am or something and i wanna go to bed

protip, youre all unkawaii and i invented GNW combos, get reckt scrublets

[j/k i luv u all]

0 Skillet spikes? L 2 GnW Like Men.

 

[Yung Mei]

i had like 3 skillet spikes i didnt use because they were boring as ****, lets face it, when you get a lot of 9's and skillet spikes, they just stop being impressive

 

[QraQ]

They're the ultimate form of tech chase for GnW. How can they ever not be impressive? lol Skillet spiking mid-air is an impressive feat and very useful lulz.

 

[geno]

In regard to GnW's Judgement change... Yes, it's a "buff", but I feel like it's a much bigger nerf to his charisma. GnW feels great to me how he is, and sure, maybe being able to throw 9's every few tries will get him higher on the tier list, but he'll also become the Metaknight of PM. All you have to do is throw hammers whenever you have free time in a match to get a potential 9 ready and repeat. It might just be me, but I think random judgement is a big part of GnW's quirk.