Tournament Mode [1.1.0] Community Patch Notes

[momochuu]

be wary of any post that starts with the phrases "is it just me or..." and "it seems...". especially when we have a ~confirmed change log~.

greninja buffs are hype. his dthrow true combos into fair at higher percents where dtilt would normally be your go-to, and his shuriken buff was EXACTLY what he needed. current greninja controls so much space its insane.

 

[Jehtt]

From my understanding, the data dump doesn't cover the properties of projectiles, yes?

 

[Vyrnx]

have the sheik fair nerfs actually changed anything significant? Are the low percent fair strings still a thing?

No significant differences so far. Can still do SH fair FF all the way across the stage and that sort of thing.

 

[ParanoidDrone]

From my understanding, the data dump doesn't cover the properties of projectiles, yes?

Correct. It just covers the characters themselves, not non-character entities.

 

[BeatMax Sakuraba]

Peach's Up B has more endlag.

 

[SmashBros.KING]

Any word on the shiek+G&W Bucket?

SheiknWatch is still op, KO'd ROB at 0% and Vanish still adds 2 bars to the bucket.

 

[Mega-Ivysaur]

Another confirmation: Ganon's Dsmash did indeed change.

It's angles are different, and it has more knockback.

Using just the last hit on the top platform of BF, a fully charged Dsmash killed Sheik at 80% on the 3ds unpatched. It killed Sheik at 57% on the Wii U.

WiiU and 3DS BF are different. I made that same mistake when hunting for changes last patch

 

[godogod]

Give me some time, I will try my best (my best is okay, I swear)
EDIT: Your characters get sound, effect and "expression" changed.
Probably it's all about bugs being removed.
No gameplays changes beyond this

Mewtwo please..._.
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3f8hvn/the_v110_patch_changelist/

Besides f throw getting a damage buff. Anyways, on thew mewtwo character board, some think he has a faster fall speed now.

 

[New_Dumal]

Guys, did you already confirmed the change in Greninja's DThrow ?
The angle have been changed, more vertical.
It's on the code, if someone can confirm in the gameplay, have my thanks.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

WiiU and 3DS BF are different. I made that same mistake when hunting for changes last patch

Yes, but this is pretty noticeable. The size also increased a little on the last kick.

 

[Lavani]

95% of the people visiting this thread including me: Awesome! *clicks link* ... what the hell am I looking at? Guess I just need to wait a few hours for someone to translate it all...

Meanwhile, me: Awesome! *clicks link* ... oh, I can't load the site because a gorillion people that can't even read the data are looking at it.

I finally got one page to load at least, so:


Uair

- KBG reduced 100→94
- BKB increased 40→55​

Dthrow

- Hitbox on 3% hit moved forward (xpos -7.0 → -5.0)​

 

[Megaman765]

Mii sword fighter can throw two chakrams at a time now. Throw one to the ground and then throw another. Its pretty darn handy as a projectile now

 

[KuroganeHammer]

The charizard hitbox is a windbox added to dtilt, pls get this right @ Shaya !!!!!11!!! Make sure to get the frame count correct too, it's not what it says on mastercore because of the frame speed modifier.

Meanwhile, me: Awesome! *clicks link* ... oh, I can't load the site because a gorillion people that can't even read the data are looking at it.

LITERALLY what i said

 

[pnkgoldcatpeach]

Palutena:

Uptilt goes higher and you can't fall out of it. Tested on 0% Kirby and Sheik
Forward air does 8 damage instead of 7 (apparently on 3ds version it does 9%... but I can't confirm this)
Side tilt can do 12 damage now (cause it has been altered not damage wise, but function wise)
Auto Reticle does 8,9,9 damage (like first time you use it does 8, next time does 9, next time 9)

someone confirm this besides me, please?

 

[Katakiri]

http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/sheik.html

's F-Air damage was decreased by 0.5% on both sweet spot & sour spot. Oh boy~!

 

[N3f4str10]

Hey guys, I might found something, I feel that Ganondorf's Up Smash has a smaller Hitbox... I don't know if this has time or something but what I can see is that the other person has to be very close to Ganondorf in order to conect the hit. Somenona can corroborate this?

 

[Raijinken]

Mii sword fighter can throw two chakrams at a time now. Throw one to the ground and then throw another. Its pretty darn handy as a projectile now

Unless there was some change to the one sticking in the ground, this has been doable since at least the previous patch.

But I agree, it's a nice projectile.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

According to this:

http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/littlemac.html

Little Mac's fully-charged Neutral-B's hitbox starts up a frame later, but the early sweetspot is out for two extra frames, and the later hitbox lingers for four extra frames at the end.

Also, Forward-B's hitbox lingers longer, from five frames to seven.

 

[Nobie]

Mewtwo's forward throw indeed does only 10% on not only Bowser, Ganondorf, Dedede, and Charizard, but for some reason does the full 13% on Donkey Kong.

 

[Sir Tundra]

us fox mains may have lost jab cancels but what we got can not be described by words

 

[Yonder]

http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/luigi.html

Requesting a bit of translation please. I've noticed on my end the 1% fair reduction [Yes], d tilt trips [yes] and is faster [yes], and fireballs have...a lot...more...endlag.[need check]

 

[ParanoidDrone]

Mewtwo's forward throw indeed does only 10% on not only Bowser, Ganondorf, Dedede, and Charizard, but for some reason does the full 13% on Donkey Kong.

Is it possible DK's "I'm hit" animation just happens to spread him around enough to get smacked by all the miniballs? Since Mewtwo's fthrow is something of a spray-and-pray. (Maybe check smaller characters like Kirby?)

 

[HiNiTe]

Luigi changes http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/luigi.html

Attack11 (Jab 1)
/ Hitboxes renamed. Otherwise, no significant gameplay changes.

Attack12 (Jab 2)
/ Hitboxes renamed. Otherwise, no significant gameplay changes.

AttackS3Lw (Forward Smash, angle down)
/ Hitboxes renamed. Otherwise, no significant gameplay changes.

AttackLw3 (Foward tilt, angle down)
/ Hitboxes renamed. Otherwise, no significant gameplay changes.

AttackAirF (Foward air)
- Damage reduced, 9.0% → 8.0%

SpecialHi (Grounded Up Special: Super Jump Punch)
+ Base knockback increased, 28 → 32

Subaction 17DB0241 (Duplicate entry of SpecialHi)
+ Base knockback increased, 28 → 32

SpecialAirHi (Aerial Up Special: Super Jump Punch)
/ Deleted unknown action entries unk-7172A764(0x3fa00000)

IN SUMMARY
- Fair nerfed
- Grounded Up-Special buffed

 

[Browny]

Ya'll need to stop missing with mewtwos fthrow, at higher % some shadowballs will miss

They all hit at low-mid %'s, and it does somewhere around 13-13.4%

 

[kew]

Can confirm Wii Fit's U-Tilt Damage 8% > 10%,
EDIT: Can also confirm that cancelled Header (side B) sticks around for much longer, still kinda useless though, And D-Smash does 10>12% uncharged and 14>16% fully charged

 

[Elggarin]

Sheik 's only change so far (via the datamine) is her Forward air:
fair's damage 5.5/4.8 ->5.0/4.3
fair's sweet/sour spot have been swapped, only the center tipper spot does 5% now, everywhere else does 4.3.
fair's knockback growth increased 125->132. This compensates for the damage nerf so overall sheik's fair has the same knockback.

 

[LimitCrown]

Mewtwo's forward throw indeed does only 10% on not only Bowser, Ganondorf, Dedede, and Charizard, but for some reason does the full 13% on Donkey Kong.

This isn't the case. Mewtwo's forward throw will deal a base damage value of 13% to every character if all of the hits connect.

Also, I'll quote a change to the visual effects used for Meta Knight's Dimensional Cape that I found since it doesn't seem that the comment was viewed.

The visual effects used for the midair version of Meta Knight's Dimensional Cape and all of its custom variations were changed so that it matches the actual hitboxes of the attack instead of appearing at the last part of the animation, which doesn't have any hitboxes in the first place.

 

[joniho]

Lucas PK Thunder Goes considerably faster plus Sour Fair From 8->9, please confirm.

Confirmed sour F-air 8->9. (069 in the dump)
Can't confirm faster PK Thunder.

I believe 057/058/05B in the dump are for Lucas's three F-tilts (forward-up, forward, forward-down). There are only two changes, most notable being "Size=4.0f" -> "Size=4.40000009537f, so it's possible that the hitbox increased.

05D is the buffed D-tilt which has been mentioned already.

This leaves 072, 073, 074 unaccounted for.

 

[Yonder]

Luigi changes http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/luigi.html

Attack11 (Jab 1)
/ Hitboxes renamed. Otherwise, no significant gameplay changes.

Attack12 (Jab 2)
/ Hitboxes renamed. Otherwise, no significant gameplay changes.

AttackS3Lw (Forward Smash, angle down)
/ Hitboxes renamed. Otherwise, no significant gameplay changes.

AttackLw3 (Foward tilt, angle down)
/ Hitboxes renamed. Otherwise, no significant gameplay changes.

AttackAirF (Foward air)
- Damage reduced, 9.0% → 8.0%

SpecialHi (Grounded Up Special: Super Jump Punch)
+ Base knockback increased, 28 → 32

Subaction 17DB0241 (Duplicate entry of SpecialHi)
+ Base knockback increased, 28 → 32

SpecialAirHi (Aerial Up Special: Super Jump Punch)
/ Deleted unknown action entries unk-7172A764(0x3fa00000)

IN SUMMARY
- Fair nerfed
- Grounded Up-Special buffed

These stats do not include projectiles apparently...so me and other Luigis noted he for sure got fireball end lag. Interesting on the fire punch buff...

 

[New_Dumal]

Mewtwo please..._.
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3f8hvn/the_v110_patch_changelist/

Besides f throw getting a damage buff. Anyways, on thew mewtwo character board, some think he has a faster fall speed now.

EDIT: Mewtwo's DSmash got a knockback growth buff (from 0.7 to 0.76)
Please someone confirm this in the game.
Dantarion data says it's true.

 

[Nobie]

Is it possible DK's "I'm hit" animation just happens to spread him around enough to get smacked by all the miniballs? Since Mewtwo's fthrow is something of a spray-and-pray. (Maybe check smaller characters like Kirby?)

I tried it against Jigglypuff and Kirby, and they both take 13%. I tried it on Fox to see if it had anything to do with fall speed but he took 13% too. Tried it against Samus (13%), Ike (13%), Mega Man (13%), and Bowser Jr. (12% due to clown car).

However, Yoshi only takes 10%.

Also, for those saying that all the balls should connect, I've been testing in training mode, from anywhere between 0% - 120% vs. Bowser and it still only does 10%.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Luigi changes http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/luigi.html

Attack11 (Jab 1)
/ Hitboxes renamed. Otherwise, no significant gameplay changes.

Attack12 (Jab 2)
/ Hitboxes renamed. Otherwise, no significant gameplay changes.

AttackS3Lw (Forward Smash, angle down)
/ Hitboxes renamed. Otherwise, no significant gameplay changes.

AttackLw3 (Foward tilt, angle down)
/ Hitboxes renamed. Otherwise, no significant gameplay changes.

AttackAirF (Foward air)
- Damage reduced, 9.0% → 8.0%

SpecialHi (Grounded Up Special: Super Jump Punch)
+ Base knockback increased, 28 → 32

Subaction 17DB0241 (Duplicate entry of SpecialHi)
+ Base knockback increased, 28 → 32

SpecialAirHi (Aerial Up Special: Super Jump Punch)
/ Deleted unknown action entries unk-7172A764(0x3fa00000)

IN SUMMARY
- Fair nerfed
- Grounded Up-Special buffed

Dtilt got an angle change from 361 -> 74
Up B got a size increase also

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Ike's Up Air has less KBG and has a higher BKB.

According to Dantarion, BKB is now at 37, so +9 from 28 and KBG is now 5e *explain pls* from 64.

They are hexidecimal values (which count up from 00 to 0F, then continue to 10; the highest value, FF, would be 255), so if the page says BKB was changed from 28 to 37 and KBG from 64 to 5E...

BKB went from 40 to 55, and KBG went from 100 to 94.

 

[lijero13ss]

Luigi changes http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/luigi.html

Attack11 (Jab 1)
/ Hitboxes renamed. Otherwise, no significant gameplay changes.

Attack12 (Jab 2)
/ Hitboxes renamed. Otherwise, no significant gameplay changes.

AttackS3Lw (Forward Smash, angle down)
/ Hitboxes renamed. Otherwise, no significant gameplay changes.

AttackLw3 (Foward tilt, angle down)
/ Hitboxes renamed. Otherwise, no significant gameplay changes.

AttackAirF (Foward air)
- Damage reduced, 9.0% → 8.0%

SpecialHi (Grounded Up Special: Super Jump Punch)
+ Base knockback increased, 28 → 32

Subaction 17DB0241 (Duplicate entry of SpecialHi)
+ Base knockback increased, 28 → 32

SpecialAirHi (Aerial Up Special: Super Jump Punch)
/ Deleted unknown action entries unk-7172A764(0x3fa00000)

IN SUMMARY
- Fair nerfed
- Grounded Up-Special buffed

Also, i believe hitboxes on both grounded and aerial up b got bigger? 1.7 to 2.2 and 22 to 2.7 grounded and aerial, respectively

And i believe fiery jump punch (custom up b) got increased BKB as well 28 to 32

 

[LimitCrown]

I tried it against Jigglypuff and Kirby, and they both take 13%. I tried it on Fox to see if it had anything to do with fall speed but he took 13% too. Tried it against Samus (13%), Ike (13%), Mega Man (13%), and Bowser Jr. (12% due to clown car).

However, Yoshi only takes 10%.

You're looking at the total damage value listed in the attack info at the side of the screen, but you're not looking at the damage values shown at the bottom of the screen.

 

[Luigi player]

DK:

Cargo Utoss has much less knockback (probably base, but not sure)

From the data dump from Dantarion:

- Usmash: hitbox size: 7.5 -> 8.80000019073
- Fsmash: hitbox size: 5.0 -> 5.69999980927

- dashattack hitbox frame 9-24 instead of 10-21 (they end at 25 and 22 respectively, but I think that's when you can do your next action since Big O has 10-21 for DKs dashattack framedata)

Here's the file if you want to see:
http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/donkey.html

 

[Steeler]

Charizard dtilt now has a small "windbox" (for lack of better term) that pushes them toward the hitbox. No hitstun on it or anything. Previously it would whiff on skinny characters very close to him.

 

[HiNiTe]

Also, i believe hitboxes on both grounded and aerial up b got bigger? 1.7 to 2.2 and 22 to 2.7 grounded and aerial, respectively

And i believe fiery jump punch (custom up b) got increased BKB as well 28 to 32

You're right, I didn't notice it. The hitbox size was increased for both grounded and aerial.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

How in teh world are you reading that? Can you do Mewtwo's please? Only thing we know for sure is forward throw buff.

http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/mewtwo.html

The only thing I know for sure is that D-Smash got a KBG buff, from 112 to 118. I can't tell what anything else is connected to, but the other stuff doesn't seem to be a direct move change.

 

[Nobie]

http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/mewtwo.html

The only thing I know for sure is that D-Smash got a KBG buff, from 112 to 118. I can't tell what anything else is connected to, but the other stuff doesn't seem to be a direct move change.

The first change seems to be the f-tilt, but I don't know what the change actually is.