Shoutouts I guess.
FML - You didn't get to do much, obviously. Orbo, don't answer questions specifically directed at your other half. That just... that just really doesn't make sense, lol. If the slot itself is being questioned about its actions, actions you actually have knowledge about the inner workings that led to them, then sure. Questions that specifically address the Other Half, leave it be. Rake, good comeback, actually. I really liked your responses when you showed up. Was hemming and hawing about dropping my vote and going elsewhere (first instinct was Soup, actually, lol -- curious if Gheb would've been down with that) when scum ****in' executed you
You did pretty much what could be done with the situation, don't think you'd have been lynched if not for mafia executioner.
sworddancer - One of these days it's going to become a policy to lynch you if your activity is low or if you replace out, and town would be right to do so is the scary part. Step up as scum so that doesn't happen. Out of curiosity, were any of the posts in this game your own?
Terywj - Why did you even join this game? I actually would like the answer to this
Kevmo - Same... how many times did you even post in this game? It ended on D5 and you hadn't posted since early D3. That is actually ridiculous. Plus you were so wishywashy about everything, I got like no townkev vibes from anything. Except that one post you pointed to where you were all "That gave me a lot to think about actually hm". I liked that post because you had actually singled out a post with a TON of connections and someone relevant to them had just died (kantplay I think?). And what was up with the "I'm fine with soup after rereading anyone down with that" post? Because I just... I really don't believe that you reread, there's no way you would show that little investment in this game if you had just freaking reread it and gotten a scumpick about whom you want other people's opinion. Super disappointed in this showing bro
asianaussie - fghhh there's stuff to be said. I did have you as probable town for a while there but... actually I dunno, people that thought you were scum can probably do a better job of this. I only came around to the idea after BSL replaced in. And bailing on the game was not cool, why'd you do that?
BSL - Dude I get that you weren't enjoying the game but neither was I. I love you mang but that play was really awful. Look over your actions from D3 to the end and ask yourself how much they look like scumbuddy actions. The answer is : A lot. There were a million other things as well. The whole way you handled your "confusion" about my slot was really bad. I even specifically asked you about how you felt about Ran and his push on you and you just talked about how much you weren't enjoying the game, instead of commenting about, y'know, the ingame context behind the question which was really really really obviously my point in asking in the first place. So all I got out of you on this was that you were "confused" which is funny enough exactly how you felt about me, and yet not something you felt was worth pursuing... but your "confusion" about me was, even though in my case it was meta/playstyle and in Ran's case it was an actual action. Just, literally nothing you said, or did, and none of your answers to the many questions directed at you in this game showed that you were putting any thought into the game at all and it looked so very very scummy. Another thing that set off alarms for me was that you replaced in on D2 and insisted on talking to aa before offering content even though Gheb was about to die and you said you'd read the whole game, why not offer an opinion at the very least on the Gheb lynch there? Granted you did provide the only satisfactory answer there ("I thought he was indy") on D3, but the fact remains. Holding TBG out as "scum 6evar" and then only voting for him when other people were showing intense dislike of him, or hell when badgered to do so, also looked heinous. Honestly I'm just amazed that you were town because literally next to nothing pointed me in that direction.
Ranmaru - Still buttangered about your low investment in this game particularly when you were a D2 replacement and had already done a full read of the game. There was really no reason for the laziness you showed and it's not like the game wasn't plagued enough by inactivity. That said I appreciate you not ruining the game by replacing out, and I felt like my extensive interrogation of you on D4 was helping me understand you. I came out of that thinking you were town. Investment issues aside, you actually played really well in terms of stances and reads. Apparently your skepticism about your aa case in lieu of Gheb's death was right, and the people you refocused on (after BSL) were good. I'm glad you listened to me about TBG and that was a good call on Asdioh's play. A very good one, actually. Still don't get why you expressed dislike of the "1v1 me noob" statement tho when the townsdioh reason to vote there was super obvious and ... not "1v1 me noob", lmao, but I get it. You were gutting distancing on the vote and you were right. Pointing that out is what made me realize that asdioh's vote meant nothing, too, since soup was about to get executed. All in all I think you're getting a lot better at targeting people for valid reasons and noticing valid reasons early enough to do something about them.
Kantplay - Not bad, actually. FWIW in your soup vs you argument on D1 you were looking way better than he was, even though Soup's gut at the very least was correct. You also did a good job of fauxhunting here, as I noticed an actual linear narrative in the way you were approaching the game. Not sure what else to say. Don't get killed by soup next time I guess. Curious to know what your plans were had you not eaten the DK
Soup - ... soup soup soup soup soup. You stood up to interrogation fairly well, I guess, but obviously my initial skepticism on D3 was on point. I was convinced you weren't mafia, and yet those things bothered me so very much, so your being indy made perfect sense. You bit off more than you could chew when you came in. You tried to take point, which is what I expected with my at-the-time-town read, but then said point taking was so aggressively mediocre. Half of your points, such as your point on asdioh, were recycled from like D1/early D2, and were never all that good. Others were borne of almost ludicrous levels of skimming, ie: PJB and TBG. What I don't understand here however is that as indy you had plenty of room to scumhunt and yet it came across as so half-assed and manufactured just the same. My advice here is the same as it would be for your town play. You need to self-edit a bit more because you post so very much and very often there's no real value in doing so (see: You explaining in tedious detail what will help you read Ran, which makes no sense when Ran hasn't done anything yet and thus could bend over backwards to please you as scum). I've made a lot of posts (the L quicktopic is littered with them as are my word documents on my computer from games past) that I ended up gouging or deleting entirely, because I reread them afterward and think "Is this revealing too much? What can mafia get out of this if I say it? How much do I really need to reveal here to communicate or get the reactions I want?" You'd be surprised how much you can reveal with a oneoff sentence that has no value in actually posting. And, yeah, now that you're dead and all's been revealed, don't do the Detective Prince character (not hydra, character) again. That obfuscating thesauruSpeak made you look scum all day, every post, every day, and you were. I'd also recommend being a little less transparent about your shots and less jumpy about ending day as any alignment because both of those things REALLY churned my guts.
TBG - I have the same thing to say to you as BSL. I know you weren't enjoying the game, but you know what? Neither was I and I still put the time in and stuck it out, so I just don't accept that excuse from anyone. I don't know if by D3 you'd given up on living and were deliberately avoiding providing content or what but this was just really bad play all told.
PJB - Reads aside, you did well if only for looking so gerdamn townie. At any rate you had a mind of your own and although you stayed on Gheb I had a sense that you were evaluating everyone and weren't just tunneling.
Red Ruy - So were you daycop? Lol. Nice one
Asdioh - Can't blame you for giving up at all, there's a reason it happened in Lost Almost Mafia after all and that was with two bad guys left not just one. G'job inspiring paranoia in me with your cheekiness about it. As to the rest of your play, well, it was pretty lax, dunno if that was because of the frustrating setup or what though. You had me going for a couple days there with the TBG stuff at least, the sudden switch to Kevmo when it came down to it however... smelly, but kinda like the smellier things Ryker did in LAM I can't hold you to it, because when you have no nightkill you gotta stick your neck out more than you would need to otherwise, and that was one of the few plays to make. Dunno what else to say, you couldn't escape the bottom of the PoE net and that seems to spell doom for any mafia faction in an Almost-Mafia game.
Raziek - So, I really would like to hear why TBG's play "[didn't] scream scum". You have a major lesson to learn here, though, in all seriousness. Look over D3-5 and really soak up how much your posts relied so completely on setup, roles, roleclaims, whatever. You said next to nothing about play. Play is why TBG got lynched, and yet you insisted his play was not scummy, when in reality it was actually the textbook of just about every scumtell there is. Look how much setup was influencing you there. You need to focus on play, setup analysis never ever ever goes well in my experience, particularly when it eclipses scumhunting as it clearly had in your case.
Gheb - I'm going to preface this with the Good, that way when I get to the Bad and the Ugly you'll hopefully really listen to what I have to say.
The Good: Good **** on catching that one post of Asdioh's after RR was dead. I, for one, hated that post and I couldn't understand why Soup kept defending it and saying it gave him town vibes, of all things! You also chose the right lurker to go after in TBG on D2, and what i hadn't said in the thread was that TBG and Soup were the scummiest people to me in lieu of FML's execution. Moreso TBG just because of the incredibly grimy timing there. That's the thing, though. The Kingmaker thing was OS and me trying to get you to comment on the blank slate slot, but ALSO to see what your level of commitment was to TBG. If you'd been like "nah man I'm good with TBG" I would probably have joined you, no joke. I feel like just a few things needed to be different in this game and we could have been friends.
The Bad: Literally the only reason you had to be on me/OS was because we were suspicious of you. There are any number of a million reasons for us to play reserved, not least of which because even as solo players we always do, and in this case we had the best reason of all. You don't deal with being suspected well and I just don't get it, but it's something you NEED to address and yet stubbornly can't seem to do so. The more we suspected you, the more you suspected us. That was textbook OMGUS, man, straight up. Meanwhile there WERE opportunistic vultures coming after you like TBG, but you had gone into that white hot "how dare they suspect me" ragevision and, well, that was all she wrote. If people are suspicious of you stop ****ing calling them tools and start actually evaluating why they MIGHT be and discern whether there might be some validity there before you go all SUSPICIOUS OF ME OH GOD SCUM FUD OMGUS FUD USCUM THO. This play by you gave a bad guy (soup) ammunition to parrot on D3 and parrot he did. Had BSL had more testicles about his whack-as-hell read on my slot and just one or two other people shared some reservations, that could have been the ML to end all MLs. Think about that a little. Lastly, yes, I remember LoDScrew and I did want to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you kept insisting that "everything points to TOM being responsible for us being in this situation" when in reality the ONLY thing we had one way or the other (flavor) pointed to the complete freaking opposite. Compare this to the Architect in LoDScrew who was deliberately obfuscating and grimy and shifty.... kind of like Soup before he dropped his gimmick, actually. It wasn't really your mere suggestion of the idea but the way you threw so much stock in it as though we had concrete reasons to do it when we absolutely didn't. Your suggestion that we "couldn't scumhunt" just because of the execution was also the headscratcher to end all headscratchers. Had you gone onto TBG at start of D2 or not put up such a fuss about the TOM thing (or, goodness forbid, accepted the counter-argument that TOM was nothing like the Architect as a mod character and nothing was pointing in that direction), I once again think I would have joined you and done so with a big smile on my face as well.
The Ugly: You've got a martyr complex about being suspected and especially mislynched and you gotta deal with it.
I get that it felt like it was coming from nowhere and unjustified, but it wasn't, man. Really think about how D2 could've gone, because I wasn't sold on your lynch myself until you started OMGUSing us (and neither was OS). If you'd kept your cool and, instead of resorting to FUD literally immediately and calling literally everyone a tool and a slave and a ****** and so forth... if you'd been cooperative and actually tried to discern who might have actual reasons for their suspicions that are coming from a town mindset (Raz, PJB, L) and who was a bad guy opportunist (Soup, though he too might have actually been scumhunting hilariously enough).... Add in the fact that all your concerns about me and all that FUD only came out of your pocket after I'd suspected you and not beforehand and, well.
On the other hand,t you had one guy you wanted to pressure who as a scumread of mine, and one scumread whom I wanted to pressure. If you'd managed to cooperate, actually thought about who might be scum and who might have valid reasons for being on you and worked out of it instead of throwing a temper tantrum....... and, well, maybe the day ended with TBG's lynch. Or Asdioh's lynch. Or hell, maybe Soup's lynch.
D2 could have been a lot more productive, but you turned it into a Big Ugly. And yes, I'm accepting my part in the ML. I voted for you, after all, and I was town and you were town. But you had a hell of a lot more responsibility than you think there, and as I've shown, when you're on the other side of the looking glass you do in fact seem to think that bad play and looking scum are the responsibility of the player. Funny how it changed like that depending on which side of it you were on. Recognize that. As you often preach, learn from it.
FML - You didn't get to do much, obviously. Orbo, don't answer questions specifically directed at your other half. That just... that just really doesn't make sense, lol. If the slot itself is being questioned about its actions, actions you actually have knowledge about the inner workings that led to them, then sure. Questions that specifically address the Other Half, leave it be. Rake, good comeback, actually. I really liked your responses when you showed up. Was hemming and hawing about dropping my vote and going elsewhere (first instinct was Soup, actually, lol -- curious if Gheb would've been down with that) when scum ****in' executed you
You did pretty much what could be done with the situation, don't think you'd have been lynched if not for mafia executioner.sworddancer - One of these days it's going to become a policy to lynch you if your activity is low or if you replace out, and town would be right to do so is the scary part. Step up as scum so that doesn't happen. Out of curiosity, were any of the posts in this game your own?
Terywj - Why did you even join this game? I actually would like the answer to this
Kevmo - Same... how many times did you even post in this game? It ended on D5 and you hadn't posted since early D3. That is actually ridiculous. Plus you were so wishywashy about everything, I got like no townkev vibes from anything. Except that one post you pointed to where you were all "That gave me a lot to think about actually hm". I liked that post because you had actually singled out a post with a TON of connections and someone relevant to them had just died (kantplay I think?). And what was up with the "I'm fine with soup after rereading anyone down with that" post? Because I just... I really don't believe that you reread, there's no way you would show that little investment in this game if you had just freaking reread it and gotten a scumpick about whom you want other people's opinion. Super disappointed in this showing bro
asianaussie - fghhh there's stuff to be said. I did have you as probable town for a while there but... actually I dunno, people that thought you were scum can probably do a better job of this. I only came around to the idea after BSL replaced in. And bailing on the game was not cool, why'd you do that?
BSL - Dude I get that you weren't enjoying the game but neither was I. I love you mang but that play was really awful. Look over your actions from D3 to the end and ask yourself how much they look like scumbuddy actions. The answer is : A lot. There were a million other things as well. The whole way you handled your "confusion" about my slot was really bad. I even specifically asked you about how you felt about Ran and his push on you and you just talked about how much you weren't enjoying the game, instead of commenting about, y'know, the ingame context behind the question which was really really really obviously my point in asking in the first place. So all I got out of you on this was that you were "confused" which is funny enough exactly how you felt about me, and yet not something you felt was worth pursuing... but your "confusion" about me was, even though in my case it was meta/playstyle and in Ran's case it was an actual action. Just, literally nothing you said, or did, and none of your answers to the many questions directed at you in this game showed that you were putting any thought into the game at all and it looked so very very scummy. Another thing that set off alarms for me was that you replaced in on D2 and insisted on talking to aa before offering content even though Gheb was about to die and you said you'd read the whole game, why not offer an opinion at the very least on the Gheb lynch there? Granted you did provide the only satisfactory answer there ("I thought he was indy") on D3, but the fact remains. Holding TBG out as "scum 6evar" and then only voting for him when other people were showing intense dislike of him, or hell when badgered to do so, also looked heinous. Honestly I'm just amazed that you were town because literally next to nothing pointed me in that direction.
Ranmaru - Still buttangered about your low investment in this game particularly when you were a D2 replacement and had already done a full read of the game. There was really no reason for the laziness you showed and it's not like the game wasn't plagued enough by inactivity. That said I appreciate you not ruining the game by replacing out, and I felt like my extensive interrogation of you on D4 was helping me understand you. I came out of that thinking you were town. Investment issues aside, you actually played really well in terms of stances and reads. Apparently your skepticism about your aa case in lieu of Gheb's death was right, and the people you refocused on (after BSL) were good. I'm glad you listened to me about TBG and that was a good call on Asdioh's play. A very good one, actually. Still don't get why you expressed dislike of the "1v1 me noob" statement tho when the townsdioh reason to vote there was super obvious and ... not "1v1 me noob", lmao, but I get it. You were gutting distancing on the vote and you were right. Pointing that out is what made me realize that asdioh's vote meant nothing, too, since soup was about to get executed. All in all I think you're getting a lot better at targeting people for valid reasons and noticing valid reasons early enough to do something about them.
Kantplay - Not bad, actually. FWIW in your soup vs you argument on D1 you were looking way better than he was, even though Soup's gut at the very least was correct. You also did a good job of fauxhunting here, as I noticed an actual linear narrative in the way you were approaching the game. Not sure what else to say. Don't get killed by soup next time I guess. Curious to know what your plans were had you not eaten the DK
Soup - ... soup soup soup soup soup. You stood up to interrogation fairly well, I guess, but obviously my initial skepticism on D3 was on point. I was convinced you weren't mafia, and yet those things bothered me so very much, so your being indy made perfect sense. You bit off more than you could chew when you came in. You tried to take point, which is what I expected with my at-the-time-town read, but then said point taking was so aggressively mediocre. Half of your points, such as your point on asdioh, were recycled from like D1/early D2, and were never all that good. Others were borne of almost ludicrous levels of skimming, ie: PJB and TBG. What I don't understand here however is that as indy you had plenty of room to scumhunt and yet it came across as so half-assed and manufactured just the same. My advice here is the same as it would be for your town play. You need to self-edit a bit more because you post so very much and very often there's no real value in doing so (see: You explaining in tedious detail what will help you read Ran, which makes no sense when Ran hasn't done anything yet and thus could bend over backwards to please you as scum). I've made a lot of posts (the L quicktopic is littered with them as are my word documents on my computer from games past) that I ended up gouging or deleting entirely, because I reread them afterward and think "Is this revealing too much? What can mafia get out of this if I say it? How much do I really need to reveal here to communicate or get the reactions I want?" You'd be surprised how much you can reveal with a oneoff sentence that has no value in actually posting. And, yeah, now that you're dead and all's been revealed, don't do the Detective Prince character (not hydra, character) again. That obfuscating thesauruSpeak made you look scum all day, every post, every day, and you were. I'd also recommend being a little less transparent about your shots and less jumpy about ending day as any alignment because both of those things REALLY churned my guts.
TBG - I have the same thing to say to you as BSL. I know you weren't enjoying the game, but you know what? Neither was I and I still put the time in and stuck it out, so I just don't accept that excuse from anyone. I don't know if by D3 you'd given up on living and were deliberately avoiding providing content or what but this was just really bad play all told.
PJB - Reads aside, you did well if only for looking so gerdamn townie. At any rate you had a mind of your own and although you stayed on Gheb I had a sense that you were evaluating everyone and weren't just tunneling.
Red Ruy - So were you daycop? Lol. Nice one
Asdioh - Can't blame you for giving up at all, there's a reason it happened in Lost Almost Mafia after all and that was with two bad guys left not just one. G'job inspiring paranoia in me with your cheekiness about it. As to the rest of your play, well, it was pretty lax, dunno if that was because of the frustrating setup or what though. You had me going for a couple days there with the TBG stuff at least, the sudden switch to Kevmo when it came down to it however... smelly, but kinda like the smellier things Ryker did in LAM I can't hold you to it, because when you have no nightkill you gotta stick your neck out more than you would need to otherwise, and that was one of the few plays to make. Dunno what else to say, you couldn't escape the bottom of the PoE net and that seems to spell doom for any mafia faction in an Almost-Mafia game.
Raziek - So, I really would like to hear why TBG's play "[didn't] scream scum". You have a major lesson to learn here, though, in all seriousness. Look over D3-5 and really soak up how much your posts relied so completely on setup, roles, roleclaims, whatever. You said next to nothing about play. Play is why TBG got lynched, and yet you insisted his play was not scummy, when in reality it was actually the textbook of just about every scumtell there is. Look how much setup was influencing you there. You need to focus on play, setup analysis never ever ever goes well in my experience, particularly when it eclipses scumhunting as it clearly had in your case.
Gheb - I'm going to preface this with the Good, that way when I get to the Bad and the Ugly you'll hopefully really listen to what I have to say.
The Good: Good **** on catching that one post of Asdioh's after RR was dead. I, for one, hated that post and I couldn't understand why Soup kept defending it and saying it gave him town vibes, of all things! You also chose the right lurker to go after in TBG on D2, and what i hadn't said in the thread was that TBG and Soup were the scummiest people to me in lieu of FML's execution. Moreso TBG just because of the incredibly grimy timing there. That's the thing, though. The Kingmaker thing was OS and me trying to get you to comment on the blank slate slot, but ALSO to see what your level of commitment was to TBG. If you'd been like "nah man I'm good with TBG" I would probably have joined you, no joke. I feel like just a few things needed to be different in this game and we could have been friends.
The Bad: Literally the only reason you had to be on me/OS was because we were suspicious of you. There are any number of a million reasons for us to play reserved, not least of which because even as solo players we always do, and in this case we had the best reason of all. You don't deal with being suspected well and I just don't get it, but it's something you NEED to address and yet stubbornly can't seem to do so. The more we suspected you, the more you suspected us. That was textbook OMGUS, man, straight up. Meanwhile there WERE opportunistic vultures coming after you like TBG, but you had gone into that white hot "how dare they suspect me" ragevision and, well, that was all she wrote. If people are suspicious of you stop ****ing calling them tools and start actually evaluating why they MIGHT be and discern whether there might be some validity there before you go all SUSPICIOUS OF ME OH GOD SCUM FUD OMGUS FUD USCUM THO. This play by you gave a bad guy (soup) ammunition to parrot on D3 and parrot he did. Had BSL had more testicles about his whack-as-hell read on my slot and just one or two other people shared some reservations, that could have been the ML to end all MLs. Think about that a little. Lastly, yes, I remember LoDScrew and I did want to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you kept insisting that "everything points to TOM being responsible for us being in this situation" when in reality the ONLY thing we had one way or the other (flavor) pointed to the complete freaking opposite. Compare this to the Architect in LoDScrew who was deliberately obfuscating and grimy and shifty.... kind of like Soup before he dropped his gimmick, actually. It wasn't really your mere suggestion of the idea but the way you threw so much stock in it as though we had concrete reasons to do it when we absolutely didn't. Your suggestion that we "couldn't scumhunt" just because of the execution was also the headscratcher to end all headscratchers. Had you gone onto TBG at start of D2 or not put up such a fuss about the TOM thing (or, goodness forbid, accepted the counter-argument that TOM was nothing like the Architect as a mod character and nothing was pointing in that direction), I once again think I would have joined you and done so with a big smile on my face as well.
The Ugly: You've got a martyr complex about being suspected and especially mislynched and you gotta deal with it.
You in this game said:
You in Mass Effect postgame said:
(you refused to hunt scum at the start of D2 and in fact insisted that it couldn't be done and we had nothing to go on, and failed to actively push your own reads, reads that I liked and agreed with and would have joined you on I might add)You in Mass Effect said:
You also called Omni out for one of the major flaws of his play being.... letting half the game get a scumvibe from him on D2. Sound familiar?and again said:
I get that it felt like it was coming from nowhere and unjustified, but it wasn't, man. Really think about how D2 could've gone, because I wasn't sold on your lynch myself until you started OMGUSing us (and neither was OS). If you'd kept your cool and, instead of resorting to FUD literally immediately and calling literally everyone a tool and a slave and a ****** and so forth... if you'd been cooperative and actually tried to discern who might have actual reasons for their suspicions that are coming from a town mindset (Raz, PJB, L) and who was a bad guy opportunist (Soup, though he too might have actually been scumhunting hilariously enough).... Add in the fact that all your concerns about me and all that FUD only came out of your pocket after I'd suspected you and not beforehand and, well.
On the other hand,t you had one guy you wanted to pressure who as a scumread of mine, and one scumread whom I wanted to pressure. If you'd managed to cooperate, actually thought about who might be scum and who might have valid reasons for being on you and worked out of it instead of throwing a temper tantrum....... and, well, maybe the day ended with TBG's lynch. Or Asdioh's lynch. Or hell, maybe Soup's lynch.
D2 could have been a lot more productive, but you turned it into a Big Ugly. And yes, I'm accepting my part in the ML. I voted for you, after all, and I was town and you were town. But you had a hell of a lot more responsibility than you think there, and as I've shown, when you're on the other side of the looking glass you do in fact seem to think that bad play and looking scum are the responsibility of the player. Funny how it changed like that depending on which side of it you were on. Recognize that. As you often preach, learn from it.
