A) But they still have the most characters. Even if it's only by one or two, it's still clear that Mario/Zelda/Pokémon are bigger. B) I couldn't possibly care less about what other crossovers do. We're talking about Super Smash Bros.
Once again, not by much.
And how do we know that Smash Bros religiously follows this rule? I'm serious here. There's been no signs of it, especially in the past two games. Other crossovers aren't nearly as different as a case from Smash Bros as you think. Hell, other crossovers have even more effort. The only thing you can pin Smash Bros on being oh so different in character selections is the fact that the Animators and Programmers can comment on a character before putting them in. There's really nothing else.
I would hope so, as the game is already finished and released so excessive complaining is pointless.
That's what happens all the time. "OH MOTHER GOT TWO REPS AND STARFOX GOT THREE AND BLAH" and then people shut up. It happens every Smash game, every Marvel vs Capcom, every crossover. All the bloody time. Just watch; we'll laugh together when it's over.
I consider over-representing to be adding characters to a franchise that is too small for that many characters and has done nothing to warrant that many.
You know I'll just quote this:
-The Overpopulation Rule/Completed Series Rule: This is both a pro and a con. I would like to thank ToiseOfChoice for this one from the first Smash 4 thread. (He can explain this far better than I ever can) While some characters would be able to complete their series, they also may not be included due to bringing the roster up from other series. Also, lesser series are possible to not have more characters than a bigger series.
Which basically says "I agree". I agree with you mostly except "It hasn't done enough to warrant it" - At this point we're not onto many super important characters left. It's not like we're playing a game of "Oh they need to sell this much to deserve another character in Smash Bros!" It's more "Hey this looks cool maybe this'll help the franchise"
And besides, I would not be opposed to Krystal as DLC. Star Fox shouldn't have a fourth character in the initial lineup, but dedicated fans can purchase the optional Krystal. I don't find this scenario very likely, but it's my opinion. (So quit getting so angry over it.)
I'm not really angry over Mother/Star Fox specifically. I like Krystal and Masked Man and all but even I don't think they hold the biggest shot or much of a shot in the first place. I like your idea there, so how about we just roll with that? DLC's better than nada. There's not much else to be said.
Also angry? You haven't seen my posting style. I'm usually like this now; cynical, cold hard logic, and some other stuff combined.
I'm thinking I should just ignore this part seeing as you stuffed a lot of words into my mouth. But I guess I'll respond. Nowhere did I say anything like "I support none", and Toad has nothing to do with this.
I'll admit I shoved a few words into there but I'm more-or-less giving my example. I'm really just saying that it's not much of a big deal on "Balance" as much as you think there is and that if certain series can have one more character, then why not? Flatly opposing them is kind-of like having the most narrow minded view. There's characters even I don't like that much and I would still be okay with.
Until you find some magical proof that this "Balance" actually matters that much (I'll agree there's some extent but), especially compared to other Crossovers, there's nothing. Unless you can quote Sakurai or someone else, there's nothing. Especially since there's so many other figures you have to counter asides from looking at sales charts or how big a series is. How long do you count the series relevancy? Are they relevant? Would people want to play as said character? Could the series benefit from having said character? Is this person's game only in Japan? Is there a way to get onto said game easier? Will programmer's and artists not have two weeks of bickering at each other trying to find out how Ridley floats? Many many questions and then some more.
My example of Toad is just what I usually use when we're talking characters because Smash Bros is a huge chance to give certain characters more highlight.
I'm aware that some series can be considered completed but could still have another rep, the best example being Mario. That's a case where it could go either way - add a new character or leave it as it is - and be perfectly fine.
I'll just comment more on this as a general statement to the thread. To be frank that applies to a lot of the series right now, and more than people want to believe. Last time around there was Star Fox, Mother, and Kirby that warranted. Now it's all chopping block. Also to add to this, very few have two, and those are less than what people think, surprisingly. I guess unless people want to throw around the "SERIES IS BIG" stuff, which does make Metroid and DK the next contenders. (Which I partially believe in but not as much as people throw it around)
I'm well aware, but it's my fault for not being more specific. Pokémon and Fire Emblem don't follow that, lol.
Bingo right on target. The franchise is what's important, which is why it's even harder to go religiously by the overpopulation/completed series rule, so the best that's can is done. Actually, to be frank, asides from maybe Star Fox, Mario, and Zelda, very few series follow the suite you mention and probably wouldn't even with a newcomer. What's probably the most hilarious thing is people read this in my style and I actually agree with you on most of your points, just not 100%
I don't see how Mother has any more characters worthy for a playable slot. Two out of three games to that series never left Japan and series is over.
It's not about Mother or Star Fox; it's about how important all this series stuff actually matters. I'm not even going to say Krystal or MM hold a high chance because even I know that's pulling words out of my own ass.
Also for Krystal just read my post somewhere in the SF thread on here. Unless you're mentioning her appearances specifically, I pretty much went onto say "The only SF game that actually gets bashed is Command, asides from those crazy fans that hate all SF games; even 64"
I think Bandana Dee stands right now where Bowser Jr. was during pre-Brawl. I think people will gradually warm up to the character over time as he continues to have prominent roles in Kirby games that are critically and commercially successful. It probably won't happen for Smash 4, but I would not be surprised if Bandana Dee was among the Top 10 most wanted characters for Smash 5.
Possibly, if he stays relevant that is. You have to remember, Bowser Jr. got more and more relevant as time passed on. His first GAME was Sunshine, which he was practically most of the plot. He's continued on to most of the 2D AND 3D Mario games with roles. Meanwhile, Bandana Dee's most recent relevancy is Kirby's Return to Dreamland. "HI IM 4TH PLAYER SLOT" and beyond that and Kirby 64 he's never had much asides from being a generic enemy.
), the minor characters don't seem nearly as important. So smaller franchises get to establish characters, they aren't going to disappear and be irrelevant from the series (the kooaplings how long were they gone?).
