The one-per third party unwritten "rule" HAS BEEN BROKEN

[Quillion]

This rule no longer exists ladies and gentlemen. Just think of the implications!

OP: Do believe that it exists? And/or do you not believe in it?

 

[SSBCandidates]

Not sure if off-topic but considering now the rule is "any video game characters" it seems that is irrelevant.

 

[Nintendotard]

Do believe that it exists? And/or do you not believe in it?

I believe its been stated in an interview before that if the game had too many 3rd party characters, it would no longer be a "Nintendo All-Star game". Pretty sure thats where everyone made the rule for the community. It makes sense too, because if they did allow it, I'm sure we'd see Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Ryu, Zero, and Dig-Dug by no in the game.

 

[udime123]

I don't that's a rule. Brawl had two 3rd paryies and Sm4sh had two 3rd parties and one 2nd party (since Namco worked on Smash as well, I can't say Sakurai needed to stretch out his neck to get Pac-Man in, unlike Megaman which I'm sure required a lot of string-pulling.) Either way, I doubt that there's an yrules like that. Besides, we haven't even confirmed if more than one character will become DLC from the ballot. Heck, Sakurai could be trolling us right then and there, because he never said straight up that he will put the most voted character into the game. For all we know, the ballot could just be a popularity contest!!! Still, I really hope I'm not right.

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

I think it's most likely an unwritten rule at the moment, but I envision that Sonic will get a second character to join him at some point in the future, if he keeps returning as a veteran.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Do believe that it exists? And/or do you not believe in it?

At this point? Naaw. It really doesn't hold true if it ever did that is.

 

[Xellos]

Game Freak is a third party developer ... there you go.

 

[Wintropy]

Game Freak is a third party developer ... there you go.

The IP is co-owned by Nintendo, though.

While they don't have all the rights to the characters (Sakurai mentions that The Pokémon Company is quite strict on what characters he can use in Smash), it's still at least partially Nintendo's property.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Game Freak is a third party developer ... there you go.

Second Party that is incredibly close to being third party actually. They're able to do stuff outside of Nintendo but are still partially part of nintendo.

 

[kiteinthesky]

There's no basis for any of these unwritten rules. Nintendo and Sakurai can and have done whatever they wanted to with the rosters. Why would Pac Man or Snake be Smash characters otherwise?

 

[8-peacock-8]

There's no basis for any of these unwritten rules. Nintendo and Sakurai can and have done whatever they wanted to with the rosters. Why would Pac Man or Snake be Smash characters otherwise?

Because people annoyed Sakurai into adding them?

 

[Braydon]

Of course it doesn't exist, it's just that they haven't added that many third parties and they start with the most important.

I believe its been stated in an interview before that if the game had too many 3rd party characters, it would no longer be a "Nintendo All-Star game". Pretty sure thats where everyone made the rule for the community. It makes sense too, because if they did allow it, I'm sure we'd see Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Ryu, Zero, and Dig-Dug by no in the game.

Why? Because if sakuria doesn't have a rule he'll lose all self control go crazy and add 1000 third party characters? Why would allowing multiple mean we had to have 4 sonic reps? Why?

 

[ErenJager]

All unwritten rules exists until they're broken.

 

[SmilingMad]

Let's see. Mario, Sonic, Pac-Man and Mega Man together form a quartet of video game history, all four of them are really well known characters. Snake is the odd one out, being added because of buddy reasons.

Yeah, probably exists to a certain extend. Of course, it's kind of arbitrary and could be considered to be more of a guideline since Sakurai can just ignore it as he deems fit. If he thinks something is OK for the franchise, then the rule doesn't matter.

 

[FalKoopa]

It's a good rule to hold on to, I'd say, primarily because it gives off the impression that all 3rd party characters and their respective companies are treated equally.

Given Sega's recent collaborations with Nintendo, another Sonic character sounds more likely than another Mega Man character though.

 

[Quillion]

It's a good rule to hold on to, I'd say, primarily because it gives off the impression that all 3rd party characters and their respective companies are treated equally.

Given Sega's recent collaborations with Nintendo, another Sonic character sounds more likely than another Mega Man character though.

But Sega showed signs of quickly regretting that contract and rushed through the last game in the deal to get out of it.

 

[FalKoopa]

But Sega showed signs of quickly regretting that contract and rushed through the last game in the deal to get out of it.

That's ... a strange way of interpreting the situation. I really doubt they would screw up a title from their flagship franchise, just to get out of a deal. Not to mention the deal wasn't unfavourable to Sega in any way.

The actual reason Sonic Boom turned out the way it is, was a mass exodus of developers from Big Red Button. After that, Sega simply gave up on the title.

 

[Quillion]

That's ... a strange way of interpreting the situation. I really doubt they would screw up a title from their flagship franchise, just to get out of a deal. Not to mention the deal wasn't unfavourable to Sega in any way.

The actual reason Sonic Boom turned out the way it is, was a mass exodus of developers from Big Red Button. After that, Sega simply gave up on the title.

Both Mario & Sonic Olympics and Lost World sold poorly and had poor critical reception. Sonic Boom was even meant to be for all consoles until it was repurposed to be the last game in the contract.

 

[Koopaul]

If SEGA gets a second character it wouldn't be fair to Capcom or Namco. Same goes for the other way around. That's why its smarter to just stick with one.

 

[FalKoopa]

Sonic Boom was even meant to be for all consoles until it was repurposed to be the last game in the contract.

Where did hear this?

 

[ErenJager]

If Capcom gets Ryu.
I hope Namco gets Klonoa.
And for Sega, I'm not sure... I want to say Tails, or Knuckles but at the same time I think maybe moving away from Sonic franchise and using NiGHTS would be better.

 

[Quillion]

If Capcom gets Ryu.
I hope Namco gets Klonoa.
And for Sega, I'm not sure... I want to say Tails, or Knuckles but at the same time I think maybe moving away from Sonic franchise and using NiGHTS would be better.

Grain of salt. Grain of salt...

Also, why wouldn't you think of Bayonetta?

 

[PoopFeast420]

Grain of salt. Grain of salt...

Also, why wouldn't you think of Bayonetta?

She'd need a massive tuning in a lot of areas to avoid bring the rating up from E+10. If Peach has a black void now, Bayo's chances are slim to none. You can even add in Kamiya's apparent dislike for smash due to him getting pestered by people on twitter as well. Sure we managed to get W101 stuff in Smash 4, but this was likely before W101 sold terribly/Kamiya wasn't getting asked multiple times about smash. Unsure of other members of Platinum Games feel about smash, but what I do know is that they show little interest in the ballot compared to other devs.

 

[BluePikmin11]

The only real time erotic behavior would actually be shown is her taunts and victory themes, but that can easily be toned down to the level of Palutena's pole-dancing and she would still be Bayonetta.
Bayonetta is eligible for DLC.

 

[ErenJager]

Grain of salt. Grain of salt...

Also, why wouldn't you think of Bayonetta?

If Bayonetta 2 didn't come out, no one would know who she is.
Shes a bandwagon character like no other.
No different then when artsy did a rayman and shovel knight art, all of a sudden the fan base grows by 10k, where were these fans prior? Idk it's stupid.
Find me support posts for Bayonetta prior to the game announcement, and i'll say she isn't a bandwagon character.

 

[Princess Toady]

If that came from Sakurai, it's probably the same kind of BS he uses to justify his decisions usually.

 

[BluePikmin11]

If Bayonetta 2 didn't come out, no one would know who she is.
Shes a bandwagon character like no other.
No different then when artsy did a rayman and shovel knight art, all of a sudden the fan base grows by 10k, where were these fans prior? Idk it's stupid.
Find me support posts for Bayonetta prior to the game announcement, and i'll say she isn't a bandwagon character.

I suggest reading the support thread, there's more to it than you think.

 

[ErenJager]

I suggest reading the support thread, there's more to it than you think.

The first post in that thread basically supports my point 100% as it's prodominately centered around the announcement Bayonetta 2.

She's the front runner for Bandwagon characters with Shovel Knight right behind her.

 

[BluePikmin11]

The first post in that thread basically supports my point 100% as it's prodominately centered around the announcement Bayonetta 2.

She's the front runner for Bandwagon characters with Shovel Knight right behind her.

Why don't you read more of the posts, the more recent ones from that thread to be exact.
We don't just support Bayonetta solely for bandwagoning you know.

 

[Speculator]

I'm not sure. I think it's probably the case that each individual third party series should only get its mascot character, but I don't see why a third party company couldn't have several series represented.

Not sure if off-topic but considering now the rule is "any video game characters" it seems that is irrelevant.

I'm pretty sure that's just something a NoA representative said with regards to who players can vote for, not that literally any video game character can be in Smash.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I think Ryu is going to shatter some people's perspectives on this

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I think the one third party per company rule is necessary. This is a NINTENDO all star game for crying out loud.

And if Nintendo ever put in a second rep for one third party company, I'd be convinced that Sakurai has lost his senses.

 

[A Distant Demon]

And if Nintendo ever put in a second rep for one third party company, I'd be convinced that Sakurai has lost his senses.

http://smashboards.com/threads/ryu-in-sm4sh.399078/page-3

 

[ErenJager]

I think the one third party per company rule is necessary. This is a NINTENDO all star game for crying out loud.

And if Nintendo ever put in a second rep for one third party company, I'd be convinced that Sakurai has lost his senses.

Sakurai has already gone back on a lot of his 'critiera' for the roster. I assume his out look or perspective changed over time.

Villager apparently wasn't in Brawl because Sakurai couldn't imagine him fighting.

Sakurai also decided against Mii's in Brawl.

Ridley was a playable size in the melee intro.

Video Game characters only, ROB started as an accessory. He didnt even appear in his two games. Also WFT is an area of grey.

Sakurai used to be firm in his outlines for characters but now hes a push over.

Much like how mario kart is now smash kart.

Nintendo is probably just throwing mud at a wall hoping something sticks for this wii u.

 

[ES. Dinah]

Capcom are rumoured to be putting Ryu in so I would love to see KOS-MOS representing Namco. She's appearing in Project X Zone 2 and also Project Treasure. Two new Nintendo games and one is going to be a major Wii U title.

 

[ErenJager]

Come to think about it, I wouldn't mind if the only third party companies involved with smash stayed as Capcom, Sega, and Namco. With other third parties only coming from those companies they seem pretty good with Nintendo.

Capcom - Mega Man & Ryu
Namco - Pac-Man & Klonoa
Sega - Sonic & ....I don't know hmm one of the following (Tails, AiAi, NiGHTS, Alex Kidd, Hatsune Miku, Bayonetta)

imo capcom, namco, and sega have some of the best characters to offer, would rather more third parties from them, then new companies.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Konami: Snake and Simon Belmont
Sega: Sonic and...
Capcom: Megaman and Ryu
Namco: Pac Man and...

I'm kinda drawing blanks. All these franchises are important to either Nintendo history or gaming history and have a decent Nintendo draw to them. I don't think Klonoa is big enough to be a Namco second rep...

 

[BluePikmin11]

Sonic and Bayonetta
Megaman and Ryu
Pac-Man and Dig-Dug
It's pretty easy.

 

[UberPyro64]

Sonic and Bayonetta
Megaman and Ryu
Pac-Man and Dig-Dug
It's pretty easy.

Eh I would agree with Sega and Capcom but I'd put in Nightmare or Jin before Dig Dug. Preferably Nightmare. I love Dig Dug though.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Nightmare seems to be brought up a lot when it comes to Namco, moreso than Heihachi, which is pretty surprising. :o