I was also under the impression that SL didn't actually play the game...
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The Official BBR Tier List v4 -> Sonic's HA Stall is NOT beaten by spot dodge!!!!!!!!
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ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
QUICKLY! RAM YOUR HEAD INTO THE NEAREST POLE!
Just kidding.
Actually I play in tournaments during Spring through Summer.
Fall through winter my health tends to keep me from really going out so much.
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I officially super-cosign Ankokus statement about the evil east he refers to.
Pit is decent he has a really good moveset. But I can definitely see him in D teir.
this same crap happened with sonic last teir list. In any case don't complain about how low your character is when you aren't proving their worth. It's easy to say, but proof comes from showing people what you say works in practice.
I know sheiks aren't doing that right now. We will be though~
this same crap happened with sonic last teir list. In any case don't complain about how low your character is when you aren't proving their worth. It's easy to say, but proof comes from showing people what you say works in practice.
I know sheiks aren't doing that right now. We will be though~
Browny
Smash Hater
lmao do you even look at tourney results, ever?
sonic went up to #23 on the tier list because he funnily enough, was ranked #20 in all 3 tournament reporting periods before the tier list. it wasnt some 'crap' it was perfectly legitimate. On the other hand, pit has placed 21, 20 and 18 in the 3 periods before this update while he now sits at 14.
complete opposite ends of the spectrum.
sonic went up to #23 on the tier list because he funnily enough, was ranked #20 in all 3 tournament reporting periods before the tier list. it wasnt some 'crap' it was perfectly legitimate. On the other hand, pit has placed 21, 20 and 18 in the 3 periods before this update while he now sits at 14.
complete opposite ends of the spectrum.
pit is above sonic now.
The main thing I was talking about was the voting system that was used on the last list. Sonic ust barely making it into a higher tier. In fact I think he didn't make it and was bumped in anyway last time.
Sonic has his pros but he feels really gimmicky to my with his lack of solid approach options, difficulty killing, and difficulty setting up kills.
When I said "D teir" I meant C though... he isn't a B teir character by any stretch IMO...
The main thing I was talking about was the voting system that was used on the last list. Sonic ust barely making it into a higher tier. In fact I think he didn't make it and was bumped in anyway last time.
Sonic has his pros but he feels really gimmicky to my with his lack of solid approach options, difficulty killing, and difficulty setting up kills.
When I said "D teir" I meant C though... he isn't a B teir character by any stretch IMO...
I understand the joke but at least get the lyrics right that lead up to it :/Pig goes oink oink
Cow goes moo
Charizard goes RAAAAAWWWR
At least with large rises there grows easy ways to compare at the next interval...
If a character drastically rises and does not live out those standards you can expect strong adjustments.
Like Wario from the last list to now. Its honestly really hard for characters to move forward without making enough noise, so to speak; but essentially I feel the faster they rise the harder they [can] fall. Unless we truly found their (roughly) accurate spot.
Either Pit lives to these new expectations or he will fall below more deserving characters.
I kinda wish the few vigilant Pit supporters were willing to comment on things... but they havent... oh well...
If a character drastically rises and does not live out those standards you can expect strong adjustments.
Like Wario from the last list to now. Its honestly really hard for characters to move forward without making enough noise, so to speak; but essentially I feel the faster they rise the harder they [can] fall. Unless we truly found their (roughly) accurate spot.
Either Pit lives to these new expectations or he will fall below more deserving characters.
I kinda wish the few vigilant Pit supporters were willing to comment on things... but they havent... oh well...
Browny
Smash Hater
I wish the few vigilant pit supporters did more than merely talk about his planking potential...
that is most definitely not sarcasm btw
that is most definitely not sarcasm btw
MK's in Z tier. He's having too much fun gliding under the tier list.
da K.I.D.
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Justblaze647
Smash Lord
Plz dont nit pick k thnx
Who are these people and where can I find them?
I lol'd severely at this
It's amazing how he sets himself up for posts like this honestly.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
I have now seen three different BBR members saying that the EC players screwed over someone on the tier list or caused them to jump up too high.
Step it up East Coast, you're failing hard currently.
On a side note, I don't suppose it's possible to see a tier list minus the EC players' votes. I wanna see the differences...
Step it up East Coast, you're failing hard currently.
On a side note, I don't suppose it's possible to see a tier list minus the EC players' votes. I wanna see the differences...
Justblaze647
Smash Lord
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
I know, such a crazy idea. But hey, you never know.
Justblaze647
Smash Lord
I can't get over the fact that they bumped PT up juuuuust enough so he couldn't be used in low tier tourneys...
forget Zelda, this is unfair
forget Zelda, this is unfair
Terios the Hedgehog
Smash Hero
=C
Y'know. To East Coasters WEST COAST is ****ing it up. There's bound to be divisions based on metagame evolutions.
Jinxkatrina8
Smash Cadet
It would be amazing to see regional tier lists 
Brazil and Japan have their own, why not Midwest, West, and EC? Just for comparative purposes
Btw, I think the only reason Pit has gone up is that he's one of the few non-bad characters left whose metagame hasn't been picked over and analyzed to the nth degree. Pit still remains an unpredictable, often difficult to fight against character. Potential shouldn't dictate the placing of a character, but I see no issues with it being a part.
Don't worry, once Pit starts to get used seriously in tourneys, and the spotlight turns on him chances are he'll settle in C or D tier. What's saving Pit at the mo' is his potential.... (or he might turn out to be truly amazing, in which case people'll ***** even more)
Anywho... I'm bored so I came up with a tier list that'd make me happier
S --- MK, Snake
A --- Diddy, Falco, Wario, ICs, Marth, DDD
B --- Lucario, Pikachu, Olimar, G&W, ZSS, TL
C --- Kirby, ROB, Peach, Pit, DK
D --- Luigi, Wolf, Fox, Sheik, Sonic
E --- PT, Ness, Yoshi, Bowser, Mario
F --- Lucas, Ike, Jigglypuff, Samus, Zelda
G --- CF, Link, Ganon
Just slapped that together in about 3 minutes
Oh, and by the way, is there anyone out there who actually uses Sheik and Zelda together? Or does everyone just use one or the other
Brazil and Japan have their own, why not Midwest, West, and EC? Just for comparative purposes
Btw, I think the only reason Pit has gone up is that he's one of the few non-bad characters left whose metagame hasn't been picked over and analyzed to the nth degree. Pit still remains an unpredictable, often difficult to fight against character. Potential shouldn't dictate the placing of a character, but I see no issues with it being a part.
Don't worry, once Pit starts to get used seriously in tourneys, and the spotlight turns on him chances are he'll settle in C or D tier. What's saving Pit at the mo' is his potential.... (or he might turn out to be truly amazing, in which case people'll ***** even more
)Anywho... I'm bored so I came up with a tier list that'd make me happier
S --- MK, Snake
A --- Diddy, Falco, Wario, ICs, Marth, DDD
B --- Lucario, Pikachu, Olimar, G&W, ZSS, TL
C --- Kirby, ROB, Peach, Pit, DK
D --- Luigi, Wolf, Fox, Sheik, Sonic
E --- PT, Ness, Yoshi, Bowser, Mario
F --- Lucas, Ike, Jigglypuff, Samus, Zelda
G --- CF, Link, Ganon
Just slapped that together in about 3 minutes
Oh, and by the way, is there anyone out there who actually uses Sheik and Zelda together? Or does everyone just use one or the other
I gotta say Jiggs, Yoshi, Ike, and Lucas are better than the tier list they are in.
Especially over Bowser, Ness, PT and CF
(Plus Boss's Mario is good but has been beaten by Pink Fresh with Lucas and Boss is the only Mario main *I have yet to seen* be that good o_o)
Especially over Bowser, Ness, PT and CF
(Plus Boss's Mario is good but has been beaten by Pink Fresh with Lucas and Boss is the only Mario main *I have yet to seen* be that good o_o)
PKNintendo
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Lol at the Zelda trio being the 3 worst. Ness being in middle (upper low) has completed my day... for like forever.
Hmm: how DID ness rise anyway?
(is a happy Ness main)
Hmm: how DID ness rise anyway?
(is a happy Ness main)
Code Lyon
Smash Journeyman
Idk about your 3 minute tier list just mainly Wolf over Fox.... there was dicussion on why Fox was better than wolf a while ago I think Cauliber made the thread.....
*goes to tunnel of threads to find it*
Edit: *14 mins later...*
I FOUND IT!
Sorry the certain uncessary parts in the summary I should of asked him to edit my summary but whatever....
*goes to tunnel of threads to find it*
Edit: *14 mins later...*
I FOUND IT!
Thread Link : http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=253997
Sorry the certain uncessary parts in the summary I should of asked him to edit my summary but whatever....
I have no idea why, all of a sudden after v4 was released, people started ranking TL over Kirby, as well as ZSS over Kirby.
What's people's reasons for these? I'd like to hear some opinions.
What's people's reasons for these? I'd like to hear some opinions.
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I think the BBR was hanging with sakuria when they made this list.
Jinxkatrina8
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Code Lyon, I consider Fox and Wolf around equal. They both have strong pros and cons, and in the end I don't really think that one is better than the other as far as the big picture goes.
If I had to choose, I'd put Wolf slightly above Fox, simply because of better aerials, his reflector, and slightly better attacks in general. That just is my personal preference though, tbh they're around equal in my tier list
If I had to choose, I'd put Wolf slightly above Fox, simply because of better aerials, his reflector, and slightly better attacks in general. That just is my personal preference though, tbh they're around equal in my tier list
Red Arremer
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Yea, Peach isn't S Tier, what did we smoke?
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Most of the tier list looks right IMO.
Jinxkatrina8
Smash Cadet
Probably for a lot of the same reasons Pit is so high now, TL and ZSS are both unpredictable characters whose metagames are still being developed. TL has a lot of very interesting and very good ATs, and ZSS is a very good all around character with an unpredictable and unique game. There's a lot of potential yet in ZSS and TL, unfortunately (and I'm not biased here, I'm a former Kirby main), Kirby just doesn't have that many tricks up his sleeve
Kirby's rather predictable, and people know how to play against him well. Although, tbh, I don't think that the differences in placement between TL ZSS and Kirby are that great, it's just that TL and ZSS had a slight edge over Kirby.
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You tell me mister know it all. You the one who smoke the ****. You dont know what you smoke and you are a BBR member? The rules and fate of this game relys on you people? Oh man........this is rich.
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
This quote is too much win.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
lmao @ triforce tier
sakurai getting off on miyamoto
sakurai getting off on miyamoto
I personally believe that Kirby is better than ZSS (obviously slightly). She gets hurt too much by smart shieldcamping opponents, powershielding hurts her too much... Kirby has a reliable grab, he can get around this horrible weakness, as well as recover much more unpredictably. As a ZSS player, I can assure you that ZSS will be recovering from either very high up, or stage-level all of the time. Kirby can recover from any height due to his 5 jumps and slow fall speed, making it harder to follow.Probably for a lot of the same reasons Pit is so high now, TL and ZSS are both unpredictable characters whose metagames are still being developed. TL has a lot of very interesting and very good ATs, and ZSS is a very good all around character with an unpredictable and unique game. There's a lot of potential yet in ZSS and TL, unfortunately (and I'm not biased here, I'm a former Kirby main), Kirby just doesn't have that many tricks up his sleeve
Kirby's rather predictable, and people know how to play against him well. Although, tbh, I don't think that the differences in placement between TL ZSS and Kirby are that great, it's just that TL and ZSS had a slight edge over Kirby.
I also think ZSS's metagame has reached a limiter. She needs something 'new' to spice her up. Otherwise, it's just gonna be the same thing over and over again each match, just like Kirby's metagame/playstyle... Both are predictable and both have good kill moves, but I really feel like Kirby has it better than ZSS. I'd like to hear some more opinions, though!
Now, I don't use TL, but I've seen a very good TL and played against him too much (TLMSheikant), so I have some info on him... What does he have over Kirby? He was below him last tierlist, rose up in this one... Nothing really happened with TL nor Kirby, and last tierlist people were predicting Kirby being over TL, but after v4's release I've seen lots of "TL > Kirby" positions. What's the reasoning behind this?
Code Lyon
Smash Journeyman
It sounds like a bandwagon thing Kweeky for the little TL>Kirby thing.
I'm not even mildly frustrated because well, the positions within each tier don't matter as much as tier placement. I'm just curious is all.
Code Lyon
Smash Journeyman
I know I just throwing my opinion out there.I'm not even mildly frustrated because well, the positions within each tier don't matter as much as tier placement. I'm just curious is all.
Little do you all know, SAKURAI IS ACTUALLY A GANON MAIN.
Makes Koskinator look like a wimp.
Man he sandbagged the **** out of that poor local tournament winner. I think he messed up Ganon's fair on purpose now just so he could sandbag people.
Jinxkatrina8
Smash Cadet
Yes, Kirby has reliable options, and a *good* recovery, not a great one, just a good one :/
Kirby's recovery can be very predictable, especially against other characters who are good in the air... I don't think ZSS's metagame is as far advanced as Kirby's, and I think that's basically what gives her the slight edge in the tier placement. Add onto that the fact that there are so many totally different styles of playing ZSS, it can come down to more the person who uses her than the character herself, which also gives her an edge.
About TL, i don't know... I've *seen* some amazing TLs, but I haven't had a chance to play against many. I still think TL ZSS and Kirby are all very close, I can't quite figure out what TL's edge is though >.< probably projectiles
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