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Overview
Starfy is the titular character from The Legendary Starfy games, a series of platformer games with the main focus on swimming instead of jumping. He's an absent minded yet jolly prince from the Pufftop Kingdom. Often he goes on crazy accidental adventures with his best friend Moe and his sister Starly, along with meeting dozens of recurring characters like Old Man Lober. Starfy is well known for his signature Star Spin attack and his sunglasses collection. He also occasionally utilizes varies costumes or contraptions to gain new abilities. Apparently he is neither a star or a starfish, although he's still referred as a starfish occasionally.
Starfy has so far appeared in 5 games, only one of which was released outside of Japan. However, he has also appeared as a cameo in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, Super Princess Peach, and Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Prior to The Legendary Starfy being localized in 2008, he was referred as Stafy.
Super Smash Bros 4
Starfy returns to the Super Smash Bros. series, no longer a pathetic assist trophy. Starfy in this game would be a very athletic light weight character who's main appeal is being a fast hitter that can preform good combo options. Starfy would also sport a pseudo-glide of sorts, a deflecting move with his Star Spin move, and the unique ability to not drown in water. But due to his small size, he is light and many of his attacks are somewhat weak with low range. However between being a fast small character with above average recovery, Starfy can be quite the annoying pest when used right.
That is how I can see Starfy play out at least. But I want to hear from you people. Will Starfy be viable in Super Smash Bros? What will his moves be? What about Taunts? What about alternate costumes? Discuss all matters of Starfy here.
Moveset ideas
Overview
Starfy is the titular character from The Legendary Starfy games, a series of platformer games with the main focus on swimming instead of jumping. He's an absent minded yet jolly prince from the Pufftop Kingdom. Often he goes on crazy accidental adventures with his best friend Moe and his sister Starly, along with meeting dozens of recurring characters like Old Man Lober. Starfy is well known for his signature Star Spin attack and his sunglasses collection. He also occasionally utilizes varies costumes or contraptions to gain new abilities. Apparently he is neither a star or a starfish, although he's still referred as a starfish occasionally.
Starfy has so far appeared in 5 games, only one of which was released outside of Japan. However, he has also appeared as a cameo in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, Super Princess Peach, and Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Prior to The Legendary Starfy being localized in 2008, he was referred as Stafy.
Super Smash Bros 4
Starfy returns to the Super Smash Bros. series, no longer a pathetic assist trophy. Starfy in this game would be a very athletic light weight character who's main appeal is being a fast hitter that can preform good combo options. Starfy would also sport a pseudo-glide of sorts, a deflecting move with his Star Spin move, and the unique ability to not drown in water. But due to his small size, he is light and many of his attacks are somewhat weak with low range. However between being a fast small character with above average recovery, Starfy can be quite the annoying pest when used right.
That is how I can see Starfy play out at least. But I want to hear from you people. Will Starfy be viable in Super Smash Bros? What will his moves be? What about Taunts? What about alternate costumes? Discuss all matters of Starfy here.
Moveset ideas
Well, I may as well post my Starfy moveset:
A: Small Spin with his arms. This spin can suck opponents toward him. 5%
AA: An additional spin in the opposite direction. 8%
AAA: A much larger spin that lasts much longer as you hold A. 12%
A Side: Starfy slaps the opponent quickly. 6%
A Up: Starfy leaps up with a headbutt. 13%
A Down: Starfy gets on the ground and does a spin similar to Starly’s crawling spin. 15%
Dash A: Starfy’s eyes bug out and he slides into the foe. 11%
Smash Side: Starfy punches forward and releases a small pearl when it connects. The pearl is just for show. 18%
Smash Up: Starfy spins upward corkscrewing his body. 22%
Smash Down: Starfy leaps up and when he hits the ground, a torrent of water hurts opponents on both sides. 17%
Air A: Starfy does a small aerial spin like a cartwheel. 12%
Forward Air A: Starfy leaps toward the opponent with a body slam-type motion. 20%
Backward Air A: Starfy leaps back and kicks the opponent. 9%
Up Air A: Starfy leaps upward on an air current and hits the foe with the top of his head. 9%
Down Air A: Starfy bashes a pearl below him to meteor smash opponents. 22%
Grab and Pummel: Starfy grabs opponents and hits them with his arms. 4% per pummel.
Forward Throw: Starfy kicks the foe ahead of him. 13%
Back Throw: Starfy jumps backwards and slams the opponent into the ground. 12%
Up Throw: Starfy tosses the foe in the air with high speed. 6%
Down Throw: Starfy slams his opponent downward with a pork cutlet. 18%
Starfy’s Neutral B is the Star Spin. Similar to his AAA combo, Starfy spins, but his spin can now cover distances. When you hold B, he charges up. When you release it, he does a long spin depending on how long you held B. During this time, you can move around while spinning, a bit like Metaknight’s tornado, but much less overpowered. If held for too long, Starfy goes into a dazed state while the familiar sound to Starfy fans plays. 15-30% depending on charge.
His Side B is the Ultra Star Spin. This is a corkscrew spin that Starfy does in his games. It is one of Starfy’s stronger moves, but it only covers a short distance (about the length of a Battlefield platform.). Opponents also get sucked toward the move. 28%
His Up B is the Level Warp Cauldron. At the end of a Starfy level, this cauldron appears and sends Starfy skyward to the next level. Basically, this appears under Starfy and simply sends him upward. The cauldron causes no damage, but if Starfy hits the opponent on the way up, it causes 23% damage.
Starfy’s Down B would be Shooting Star. This attack only works in the air. Starfy spins downward like a shooting star and hits the opponents for good knockback and 35% damage if sweetspotted, 20% otherwise.
Finally, his Final Smash would be Transformation. Bunston hops in to Assist Starfy. Starfy touches a stone of his, and goes through the process of transforming. First, he becomes Monstar, and covers the ground of the stage with fire similar in effect to Ness’s PK Fire. Next, he turns into Starfright and covers the aerial ares with shadowy will-o-wisps. If either of these hit, they combo at 15% each. Next, Starfy becomes Starpedo to freeze the opponents and take 3% damage every two seconds. Finally, he becomes Roostar and sends the opponents away with the loud chicken screech with high knockback. After this 20 second period, Starfy returns to normal and Bunston is sent away.
Glide: Yes
Crawl: Yes
Wall Jump: Yes
Wall Cling: No
With the gliding, I picture it like Peach in the sense that you hold the Jump button to do it, like in the Starfy games, but would slowly move downward unlike Peach. In a sense, I want it to work exactly like in the Starfy games! xD
Arguments
Arguments used against Starfy -
1 - He's not popular.
- Starfy has a semi-decent popularity, comparable to other small franchises of Nintendo in outerstates. While only one game was released so far to states, it has helped him to gain more popularity than back when he was still japan-only. He though has had about 5 games and he's still going strong in Japan, with pretty remarkable amount of popularity, merchandise and whatnot.
And since he's no more Japan-only, he's now more eligible for Smash.
2 - He has not much moveset potential due how generic he looks.
- It can be true that Starfy might've been actually been made playable but became somewhat of a hassle to do a moveset and was cut. Lately I was though proved that he can have a working moveset by Algus Underdunk.
I was pretty impressed by this, it seems to convey a funny awkwardness of Starfy trying to fight using his limbs, but he has to resort
So even if Sakurai couldn't make a working moveset around him, DOESN'T mean that HE CAN'T have an interesting moveset potential. You could like make him work being pretty sluggish and awkard on land, but very, very (even moreso than Jiggs) in the air, referring to his marine movement. (So he'd move on the air like it's water.)
He also has many attributes to draw from, so why would he be still akward and uninteresting?
3 - How Starfy would contribute to Smash Bros's gameplay anyway?
- Now here's something what I thought: Starfy-series, unlike some other series we've seen in Smash, could actually bring a new element to the series that could enchance the gameplay: the marine moving element.
What if we could have fights underwater? What if characters get to have a fully functional ability to swim and even go underwater?
Of course attacks would be more sluggish, but I think a stage that is completely underwater seems no-no. I suggest stage segments that allow underwater movement (like a scrolling/moving stage going into underwater at some part.)
Starfy's universe boasts also many kinds of NPC's. These would make appearance in Smash enough to warrant an Assist Trophy, many trophies around Starfy-series, and so on. Heck, we'd have stage having lots of NPCs watching the battle like Animal Crossing Villagers and NPCs in Smashville.
4- TOSE-copyright issues lowers his chances.
- TOSE-issues copyright thing seems like something we could apply to many other series. Why didn't Golden Sun get a playable rep and anything over Starfy despite being more easily accessible?
5 - Sakurai hates Starf-
NO. HE DOESN'T.
Sakurai DOESN'T HATE STARFY. I can't still believe some people still believe on this.
If he hates him so much, they why would he bother even going as far as to have an AT, two trophies around the series, many stickers...
Now, the only indicators would be Dojo which says these words:
Sometimes you may wonder "Stafy, why did you even come here?!"
But that’s part of his charm.
Now this is true. That last sentence.
I think it refers to that Starfy is generally a clumsy troublemaker, since his first game shows how he freed Ogura in an accident, and pretty much can be a pain in the *** to motivate. Maybe they tried to emulate this "annoying" part of him... messing your hopes for a good Assist. You go like "Argh, Stafyy! Did you had to mess my chances again?" But that's what he is at times.
Though he can be also bit of a trouble to deal with... even deadly if abused enough.
But here's what he would have done instead if he doesn't really like him:
- No SFX's from his series, that jingle too when Starfy appears, and most of all, the exploitable explosion knockback you can get if you hit Starfy hard enough.
- No referencing to Starfy-series at all (no those many stickers from the series, trophies, no Starfy himself etc)
So if he then hates him or doesn't really like him, then why did he include him? Maybe because of a fanbase demanding Starfy?
In fact, have you ever noticed that when you check Fighter-Related-category on trophies in Brawl, Starfy's in there? Maybe this could hint that Sakurai seems to have totally opposite favouring on Starfy than many think (hating the little star).
6- He's too weak.
This is not true. Contrary to how Brawl portrayed him, Starfy's not your Lester the Unlikely. He's quite strong if time's demand it and can pull through from many dangerous situations in his adventures. In fact, check the final boss fight of Legendary Starfy and tell me then if he's weak.
I hope this could give some new light to ones who cut him up and maybe Shortie could consider bringing him back... I don't want to think Starfy's now unlikely too.