The Graveyard: Disconfirmed Character Thread (SAKURAAAAAAAAAI!)

[Arcadenik]

Daitoryo was inspired by Napoleon, but the two are extremely different.

Due to the differences, Daitoryo is fully owned by Nintendo by parody law. So he's a Nintendo character that's based off of a real person.

The fact that Daitoryo means president is actually a misconception on the part of the creator. He thought Napoleon himself was a president. However, it now basically just means that the cards are of "presidential" quality.

The same applies to Dr. Wright and Dr. Kawashima. But people keep insisting that these characters cannot be in Smash because they are based on real life people.

Mii Fighters say hi.

 

[Pacack]

The same applies to Dr. Wright and Dr. Kawashima. But people keep insisting that these characters cannot be in Smash because they are based on real life people.

Mii Fighters say hi.

I don't know much about Dr. Wright, but Kawashima is an interesting case. In Brain Age, they are outright using Dr. Kawashima's research and working with him on the game. Because of that, I'm not sure how much Nintendo owns vs how much they were allowed to use. The image of Dr. Kawashima in-game may be owned by Nintendo...but it may not be. So it's weird. (It's different for Miis because those do fit the parody laws. Liincoln is an image of a highly recognized person in Mii form. So it's legal. Same with all the others they showed.)

Also, @ Opossum I vote give Rayman a grave.

 

[Reality_Ciak]

I think the Digital Event comment from Link to Toon Link "Hey! They promised me you wouldn't be here!" was a playful suggestion that Toon Link was planned to be cut but was added either forcibly to promote WW HD or as roster filler either to up the count or taking place of someone new cut in developement. That being said, I think the Alfonzo thing is a one off and it's very unlikely we will see another switch-a-roo situation.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

Voting yes to dead Rayman.

 

[BirthNote]

I vote no to Rayman's grave.

 

[LeeYawshee]

I think the Digital Event comment from Link to Toon Link "Hey! They promised me you wouldn't be here!" was a playful suggestion that Toon Link was planned to be cut but was added either forcibly to promote WW HD or as roster filler either to up the count or taking place of someone new cut in developement. That being said, I think the Alfonzo thing is a one off and it's very unlikely we will see another switch-a-roo situation.

I doubt this because many have stated that Sakurai firmly believes that two Links are essentials for the Smash series. I have no source for this (I tried but no dice). It was also stated that the full roster was decided at once and no one was cut in development (Presumably, a few were added in development alongside Lucina)

 

[JaidynReiman]

I doubt this because many have stated that Sakurai firmly believes that two Links are essentials for the Smash series. I have no source for this (I tried but no dice). It was also stated that the full roster was decided at once and no one was cut in development (Presumably, a few were added in development alongside Lucina)

According to Sakurai, early on, he stated that they had not cut any planned characters due to "hardware constraints." Nothing saying they couldn't have cut characters later, just that no planned characters were cut at the time (also keep in mind, they might've cut some characters outright and not even considered bringing them back, though I doubt anyone who's name isn't Ivysaur and Squirtle would've had such an issue; Snake was undoubtedly considered even if they couldn't bring him back due to legal issues).

 

[DustyPumpkin]

I vote Yes to Rayman's grave, Him getting a trophy was weird yeah, and maybe this could be like a Phosphora thing where he's also an Assist Trophy, but there wasn't any beating around the bush, Here's a Trophy of Rayman, he's a nice trophy done.

 

[pupNapoleon]

According to Sakurai, early on, he stated that they had not cut any planned characters due to "hardware constraints." Nothing saying they couldn't have cut characters later, just that no planned characters were cut at the time (also keep in mind, they might've cut some characters outright and not even considered bringing them back, though I doubt anyone who's name isn't Ivysaur and Squirtle would've had such an issue; Snake was undoubtedly considered even if they couldn't bring him back due to legal issues).

I don't think it is possible they could have had a single character in a game they did not even consider bringing back. Particularly with sakurai who does not want to disappoint the fans of each character, not even putting a thought to it does not register as an option to me, where as he considers hundreds of new character options?

No, of course he DEEPLY considers bringing back every character, whether or not he actually believes he is likely to actually follow suit with bringing them back, is another statement.

 

[Dr.Turtle]

I'm gonna vote yes to Rayman's grave

 

[SSBCandidates]

Yes on Rayman's grave.

 

[Maxilian]

Voting yes to dead Rayman.

Same here... i also vote yes for Rayman's grave

 

[WertQuadNine]

EDIT: Just realized you already had him, my bad...

 

[Opossum]

Magnus was seen as an assist trophy. @ Opossum

So he's disconfirmed, RIP

We knew this already, but thanks for the pic! Now I can write him a memorial post.


Also, with the votes tallied, Ramone will stay in the grave.



ALSO I JUST FINISHED MAGNUS' ENTRY.

 

[BirthNote]

So it looks like Ramone is doomed to wander the Land of the Livid Dead, bonding with Wonder Red and listening to Crum howling furiously at Falcon.

Such a sad fate.

 

[Opossum]

So it looks like Ramone is doomed to wander the Land of the Livid Dead, bonding with Wonder Red and listening to Crum howling furiously at Falcon.

Such a sad fate.

It could be worse. At least at this point in the game, Man-Ray has a lot of company in the graveyard.

 

[TerminalMontage]

Rayman is deaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

 

[Swift Fox]

Welp, Zapdos is disconfirmed. Last time I saw him in Lumiose City stage.

 

[Arcadenik]

Any noteworthy characters who were deconfirmed at SDCC? Did they even announce any characters or not?

 

[Pacack]

Any noteworthy characters who were deconfirmed at SDCC? Did they even announce any characters or not?

I'm not sure if they were already listed, but we saw Inkay, Darkrai, Victini, and Entei as Pokeball Pokemon.

 

[WertQuadNine]

I'm not sure if they were already listed, but we saw Inkay, Darkrai, Victini, and Entei as Pokeball Pokemon.

Just realized how cool Darkrai would have been...

 

[False Sense]

I suppose we won't be burying Chunky Kong anytime soon.

 

[Opossum]

I suppose we won't be burying Chunky Kong anytime soon.

That's what I'm upset about. In theory, we also have tomorrow when the Treehouse folks play.

 

[Aninymouse]

Shadow the Hedgehog was confirmed as an assist trophy again today. It was shown on the Spirit Tracks stage during a FFA.

 

[erico9001]

I vote grave for Rayman too

"In order to make Rayman's trophy, we asked Ubisoft to share their references. We were expecting to receive 2D drawing references for Rayman, but to our surprise, they sent us data of a brand new 3D model that they rendered for this game!! And that was how this trophy was created. It takes a lot of work creating each model, so it's wonderful that the creators contributed their own efforts!!"

 

[Opossum]

Shadow the Hedgehog was confirmed as an assist trophy again today. It was shown on the Spirit Tracks stage during a FFA.

We already had him in the ground because of E3 showing the same thing. Same with Magnus.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I didn't watch the entire stream, was somebody else disconfirmed, or have we seen the day where nobody died? (Yes, I would've voted Rayman as dead too)

I'm not sure if they were already listed, but we saw Inkay, Darkrai, Victini, and Entei as Pokeball Pokemon.

Victini and Entei were deconfirmed during the Smash Direct.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I think we can safely bury Rayman now. If he was playable do you really think UbiSoft would be happy with such an unceremonious reveal?

 

[Opossum]

Okay, time to drum up some volunteers. I need help getting a lot of these obituaries. Any volunteers to take some of the empty ones in the OP?

 

[Pacack]

Okay, time to drum up some volunteers. I need help getting a lot of these obituaries. Any volunteers to take some of the empty ones in the OP?

Got a list? I'll see what I'm interested in.

 

[Opossum]

Nabbit
Lakitu
Koffing
Genesect
Zapdos
Doc Louis
Kamek
Orne
Zoroark
Shadow
Deoxys
Darkrai
Chespin
Reaper
Kyurem
Brittany
Kalimba Tiki
Dr. Wright
Koopa Troopa
Snorlax
Bullet Bill
Mimicutie
Staryu
Gogoat
Mew
Lyn
Phantom Zelda
Petilil
Cheep-Cheep

 

[Pacack]

Nabbit
Lakitu
Koffing
Genesect
Zapdos
Doc Louis
Kamek
Orne
Zoroark
Shadow
Deoxys
Darkrai
Chespin
Reaper
Kyurem
Brittany
Kalimba Tiki
Dr. Wright
Koopa Troopa
Snorlax
Bullet Bill
Mimicutie
Staryu
Gogoat
Mew
Lyn
Phantom Zelda
Petilil
Cheep-Cheep

I know that a couple people will be interested in some of these. I'll do Kamek, Mew, and Orne for starters, though.

 

[Bedoop]

I'll do Kamek

NO. >:C
I will do Kamek, thank ye very much.
I've been supporting Kamek since Melee, and I aint letting you take my show.

 

[SonicMario]

We already had him in the ground because of E3 showing the same thing. Same with Magnus.

We can bury him a 2nd time anyway, just for kicks

 

[Pacack]

NO. >:C
I will do Kamek, thank ye very much.
I've been supporting Kamek since Melee, and I aint letting you take my show.

Since I got to him first, I'll get the basic outline there and you can take it from there, changing it as you see fit. That fair?

 

[Bedoop]

Since I got to him first, I'll get the basic outline there and you can take it from there, changing it as you see fit. That fair?

Seems fair. =w=

 

[Groose]

Nabbit
Lakitu
Koffing
Genesect
Zapdos
Doc Louis
Kamek
Orne
Zoroark
Shadow
Deoxys
Darkrai
Chespin
Reaper
Kyurem
Brittany
Kalimba Tiki
Dr. Wright
Koopa Troopa
Snorlax
Bullet Bill
Mimicutie
Staryu
Gogoat
Mew
Lyn
Phantom Zelda
Petilil
Cheep-Cheep

When Doc Louis and Shadow the Hedgehog get deconfirmed, Groose is in charge of writing their obituaries. Groose: "Leave it to me!"

 

[TitanTeaTime]

Okay, time to drum up some volunteers. I need help getting a lot of these obituaries. Any volunteers to take some of the empty ones in the OP?

I guess I'll be claiming Genesect (I actually kind of wanted it ;n; ) and Cheep-Cheep

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Nabbit
Lakitu
Koffing
Genesect
Zapdos
Doc Louis
Kamek
Orne
Zoroark
Shadow
Deoxys
Darkrai
Chespin
Reaper
Kyurem
Brittany
Kalimba Tiki
Dr. Wright
Koopa Troopa
Snorlax
Bullet Bill
Mimicutie
Staryu
Gogoat
Mew
Lyn
Phantom Zelda
Petilil
Cheep-Cheep

Again, I finished the Petilil one. I added the dates and everything.

 

[Pacack]

Seems fair. =w=

How's this? I think I did a good job on it.

Spoiler: Kamek's Obituary

Kamek, the Evil Magikoopa

Series: Yoshi/Mario
Debut Game: Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (1995)
Disconfirmation: June 2, 2014 Pic of the Day (Quote)
Role: Stage Element on New Super Mario Bros. U Stage (Wii U)

"Welcome!! Now, Yoshi, my lamb, if you would be a dear and please HAND OVER THE BABY!"

Kamek is the caretaker of Baby Bowser and Main antagonist of the Yoshi's Island games and the adviser/right hand man of Bowser and a high-ranking member of the Koopa Troop in the Mario series. His hobbies include kidnapping babies, powering up bosses, fighting Yoshis, warping stages, and reading novels in his library. He is the leader of the Magikoopas and is highly proficient in magic.

For the majority of Super Smash Bros. 4 speculation, Kamek was regarded as the most plausible second representative of the Yoshi series. Although he was never considered particularly likely on these boards, he did have his fair share of fans that were rooting for him as a playable character.

Kamek's confirmation as a stage element unfortunately means he's not going to be a playable character this time around. It's not all bad news, though! In Brawl, he was represented only as two stickers. This time, he got a significantly more respectable role as a stage element. If his roles keep increasing, who knows? Maybe we'll get to see him and his ugly mug playable in the next Smash game.

"How DARE you?! It's just not right... You big, green meanie... One of these days... I'll be back... You just wait and see!"