The Graveyard: Disconfirmed Character Thread (SAKURAAAAAAAAAI!)

[God Robert's Cousin]

Yeah, honestly though I mostly just mentioned it here because it appears to be absent from here while it is on the information thread. And if Gordos have obituaries here...

Did you know Cryogonal is the only genderless Pokemon besides Mew to be able to be taught Attract?

It obviously fights in Smash Run in an attempt to take its frustration out on others for its inability to love.

That said, this is canon to me. Someone has to include this in its obituary.

 

[Swift Fox]

I've updated the Obituary Pending list with dates I've collected from posts that first mention someone disconfirmed in this thread and several from around the internet.

Obituary Pending
ASSIST TROPHIES

April 8 2014 - Dr. Wright
April 8 2014 - Lyn
June 10 2014 - Shadow 4:36
June 11 2014 - Magnus (kid icarus)​

POKE BALL POKEMON

April 8 2014 - Chespin
April 8 2014 - Darkrai
April 8 2014 - Deoxys
April 8 2014 - Gogoat
April 8 2014 - Kyurem
April 8 2014 - Mew
April 8 2014 - Snorlax
April 8 2014 - Staryu
April 8 2014 - Zoroark
June 11 2014 - Genesect​

ITEMS AND TROPHIES

April 8 2014 - Bullet Bill
May 14 2014 - Brittany
July 14 2014 - Rayman
Cheep-Cheep​

SMASH RUN ENEMIES

April 8 2014 - Lakitu
April 8 2014 - Mimicutie
April 8 2014 - Magikoopa
April 8 2014 - Reaper
May 1 2014 - Orne
June 11 2014 - Koffing
Koopa Troopa
Koopa Paratroopa
Tiki Buzz​

MOVES

December 26 2014 - Phantom Zelda (confirmed as Zelda's move on June 10)
July 14 2014 - Chrom​

OTHERS

February 13 2014 - Doc Louis​

STAGE HAZARDS/STAGE ELEMENTS

June 2 2014 - Kamek
June 26 2014 - Nabbit​

More enemies that never had a chance . . . <- put this on bottom of others in Smash Run spoiler section.

I wasn't able to find 'Kalimba Tiki' in SmashWiki's Smash Run enemy list so I removed it for now. Maybe someone meant 'Tiki Buzz'?

EDIT: removed Petilil as her obituary is already made by @ Guybrush20X6 in last page.

EDIT2: Fixed some mistakes... this list is not finished, of course.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I've updated the Obituary Pending list with dates I've collected from posts that first mention someone disconfirmed in this thread and several from around the internet.

Obituary Pending

ASSIST TROPHIES​

April 8 2014 - Bullet Bill
April 8 2014 - Dr. Wright
April 8 2014 - Kyurem
April 8 2014 - Lakitu
April 8 2014 - Lyn
April 8 2014 - Reaper
Brittany
Cheep-Cheep
Magnus (kid icarus)
Shadow

POKE BALL POKEMON​

April 8 2014 - Chespin
April 8 2014 - Darkrai
April 8 2014 - Deoxys
April 8 2014 - Gogoat
April 8 2014 - Mew
April 8 2014 - Snorlax
April 8 2014 - Staryu
April 8 2014 - Zoroark
Genesect

SMASH RUN ENEMIES​

April 8 2014 - Mimicutie
April 8 2014 - Magikoopa
May 1 2014 - Orne
June 11 2014 - Petilil
June 11 2014 - Koffing
Koopa Troopa
Koopa Paratroopa
Tiki Buzz

MOVES​

December 26 2014 - Phantom Zelda (confirmed as Zelda's move on June 10)

OTHERS​

February 13 2014 - Doc Louis

STAGE HAZARDS/STAGE ELEMENTS​

June 2 2014 - Kamek
June 26 2014 - Nabbit

More enemies that never had a chance . . . <- put this on bottom of others in Smash Run spoiler section.

I wasn't able to find 'Kalimba Tiki' in SmashWiki's Smash Run enemy list so I removed it for now. Maybe someone meant 'Tiki Buzz'?

I already put up a Petilil obituary. Or does it only count when it's PMed?

 

[Swift Fox]

I already put up a Petilil obituary. Or does it only count when it's PMed?

Oh. Sorry I didn't see that coming! For some reason I've already liked your post with Petilil obituary in last page and forgot about it. I only worked up until page ~39 in this thread so of course the list isn't finished

Also you should add the date to your Petilil obituary and add image to use as proof (Smash Wiki already got it v)

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Oh. Sorry I didn't see that coming! For some reason I've already liked your post with Petilil obituary in last page and forgot about it. I only worked up until page ~39 in this thread so of course the list isn't finished

Also you should add the date to your Petilil obituary and add image to use as proof (Smash Wiki already got it v)

Done.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

Obituary Pending

ASSIST TROPHIES​

April 8 2014 - Kyurem

Wait, huh? Did I miss something, cause I'm pretty sure Kyurem is a pokeball pokemon.

 

[Opossum]

Wait, Brittany and Cheep Cheep are Assist Trophies?

 

[Brother AJ]

Someone on this board mentioned to me that Cranky Kong was dis-confirmed because it was seen you were able to collect a trophy of him on Smash Run. Can anyone validate this?

 

[TitanTeaTime]

Someone on this board mentioned to me that Cranky Kong was dis-confirmed because it was seen you were able to collect a trophy of him on Smash Run. Can anyone validate this?

Actually, we have more solid evidence than that: He appears to be a stage element on Jungle Japes once more.

 

[Shorts]

Actually, we have more solid evidence than that: He appears to be a stage element on Jungle Japes once more.

I wouldn't consider that complete dis confirmation.

 

[Opossum]

I wouldn't consider that complete dis confirmation.

Basically, I'd consider it as such for now, and if an Alfonzo situation somehow happens, I'll just say WHOOPS LOOK AT THAT and dig up Cranky. Fair enough?

 

[Shorts]

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

DK

I think the difference between a fully-modeled ape and the 8-bit incarnation of his grandfather is distinct enough. The same cannot be said for Cranky and what is clearly his silhouette in his halmark rocking chair.

 

[Shorts]

I think the difference between a fully-modeled ape and the 8-bit incarnation of his grandfather is distinct enough. The same cannot be said for Cranky and what is clearly his silhouette in his halmark rocking chair.

>further useless nitpicking

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

>further useless nitpicking

>trying to greentext on Smashboards

Care to elaborate rather than assume you've already won?

 

[Shorts]

There is Donkey Kong (Playable) next to Donkey Kong (Not Playable). This shows you can have a playable character be a bg character. Instead of just going okay, it is POSSIBLE for a character to be playable and in the background (Not that Cranky is playable because of other factors that have deconfirmed him) you just arbitrarily say "artsyle is so different it doesn't count"

You COULD have went with a better argument, albeit another arbitrary one, that this DK is actually young Cranky, but again, that's just fans nitpicking something that Sakurai obviously doesn't care about / didn't notice and making a rule about it. Youre, at the moment arguing against the idea that a character can be a stage element AND playable, but I bet on another day, you've argued Ridley can be a boss AND playable. (Maybe because they're different Ridley's like these Donkey Kongs are different Donkey Kongs)

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

There is Donkey Kong (Playable) next to Donkey Kong (Not Playable). This shows you can have a playable character be a bg character. Instead of just going okay, it is POSSIBLE for a character to be playable and in the background (Not that Cranky is playable because of other factors that have deconfirmed him) you just arbitrarily say "artsyle is so different it doesn't count" You COULD have went with a better argument, albeit another arbitrary one, that this DK is actually young Cranky, but again, that's just fans nitpicking something that Sakurai obviously doesn't care about / didn't notice and making a rule about it. Youre, at the moment arguing against the idea that a character can be a stage element AND playable, but I bet on another day, you've argued Ridley can be a boss AND playable. (Maybe because they're different Ridley's like these Donkey Kongs are different Donkey Kongs)

They aren't the same character, though. I even said this when I said "the 8-bit incarnation of his grandfather", so you seem quick to dismiss me as just another nitpicking fan despite me having said so little. Aside from being completely visually different in that their shape, artstyle, and appearance (I don't see a tie or a head swirl anywhere), they share only a name and nothing more.

Beyond that, were Cranky intended to be playable in the base game, why add the one stage in the entire series that has what is undoubtedly Cranky Kong to the game? Past stages have remained untouched to this point, so there's no reason to think Cranky would receive a type of Alfonzo Clause in this stage. Even then, why would they have such a minor Alfonzesque detail if they're going beyond porting the stage anyway? Why not just remove Cranky outright so as to be more economic with the use of said programming? It makes absolutely no sense from a development standpoint to have him appear as normal until he's being played as on the stage, especially when it has no effect on the gameplay when seen through the same game design perspective Alfonzo was added for.

While I have argued that Ridley can be playable and boss at the same time before, I can admit to, I do not agree with my past line of thinking from before. The insanity I've seen in the Ridley thread has made me come to terms with that. If Ridley is shown as a boss, then that's it for him. It's primarily a matter of if the shadow we saw was playable Ridley's or not. The difference being, while Ridley's shadow is ambiguous at best, Cranky's shadow is two-dimensional and leaves no foreshadowing as a playable possibility.

Again, I'd rather go with Opossum's suggestion of keeping Cranky deconfirmed and digging him up if he does turn out as playable. There's no reason to suggest otherwise when every other character to this point has been deconfirmed under the same principles.

 

[ihskeyp]

Who really expects Cranky anyway? No need to argue.

 

[Pacack]

It doesn't matter anyways because we have the video proof that he's a trophy...

 

[Sobreviviente]

Stage disconfirmation at its best

It doesn't matter anyways because we have the video proof that he's a trophy...

...really?
Where?

 

[andalsoandy]

Rayman deconfirmed?

 

[Arcadenik]

Too early to say for sure... let's wait for 10AM Eastern Time to see...

 

[KingofPhantoms]

“In order to make Rayman’s trophy, we asked Ubisoft to share their references,”

"to make Rayman's trophy."

Yeah, given the context of this quote, I think it's an entirely safe bet to say that Rayman is just a trophy. He specifically stated that they had asked for Ubisoft's input to make the trophy. They wouldn't need a separate model for the trophy and the actual playable character.

And while I can't say for sure....even by Sakurai's unpredictable standards, I don't think he would ever tease a character like this.

 

[Arcadenik]

True. But for now, I think we better go to sleep... whether it is Rayman or not, we will get one more newcomer in about 7 hours from now either way.

 

[BirthNote]

I...can't sleep now. I'm not particularly holding out hope for Rayman, but a surprise pic like THAT has me thinking Sakurai could have anything up his sleeve now.

 

[domokl]

I say wait until the new reveal and if its not raymnan put him in the grave.

 

[YoshiandToad]

This is considerably better than I was expecting for Rayman...so this is the first 'deconfirmation' I'm really happy about; I wasn't expecting ANYTHING.

 

[8-peacock-8]

I'm having a heart attack right now....

 

[SmasherMaster]

Chrom deconfirmed. Lucina challenged her fate and Robin tipped the scales, but you were not so lucky.

 

[TheSmasher916]

I never thought I'd be saying this but..Chrom deconfirmed.


+ Gematsu deconfirmed. Though, it admittedly had a really good run

 

[jaytalks]

Chrom's chances have been killed. And he is a Fire Emblem character, so permadeath is in effect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd5wObme1EU

Sorry Chrom fans.

 

[Pacack]

Don't count the rest of Gematsu out yet. It's very possible that plans changed to not include Chrom later in development...I have no answers for the lack of a Shulk reveal, though...

 

[Johnknight1]

Chrom could still be a Lucina alternate costume.

He's not that dead yet, although he probably is lol.

 

[FinalStarmen]

Poor Opossum, the graveyard care-taker and Chrom support thread owner... now has to bury his own into the dirt.
What a cruel, twisted fate.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Dag Nabbit?

Opossum, he was already deconfirmed a while ago.

 

[iam8bit]

RIP Chrom. You are certainly cool, but it was about time for a non-Lord FE character.

Don't count the rest of Gematsu out yet. It's very possible that plans changed to not include Chrom later in development...I have no answers for the lack of a Shulk reveal, though...

Gematsu was always little more than a list of names. It already had problems that people overlooked, but anyone will have a hard time explaining how there's TWO Fire Emblem newcomers and the leak contained a different one.

Leak is dead, IMO.

 

[jaytalks]

Chrom could still be a Lucina alternate costume.

He's not that dead yet, although he probably is lol.

I don't think so, because he's confirmed for what looks to be Robin's Final Smash.

 

[Turokman5896]

Opossum as the graveyard care-taker and Chrom support thread owner... and now he has to bury him into the dirt.
What a cruel, twisted fate.

Truly the work of the Fell Dragon D:

 

[Severn]

RIP Chrom. You are certainly cool, but it was about time for a non-Lord FE character.

Yeah, its a nice change. Still sad about Chrom not being in, this was something I could never have expected. Lucina is a lord though. By the looks of it, Lucina is a Marth clone. I was really hoping on no newcomers being clones, and killed my faith of Sakurai still having unique movesets for FE sword users. If she is just a clone I would rather have Chrom, even he was a clone too.

 

[Marakatu]

RIP Chrom, the hero who sacrified himself to kill the Gematsu leak. Your death will not be meaningless.