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The Ganon Combo Thread
- Thread starter SwizzyUK
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RestInPeace
Smash Ace
Against Spacies, I always Bair to edgeguard. It comes out faster than a reverse Uair, and auto cancels, though that wouldn't matter much. If they're at mid percents, since they'll most likely be DIing inwards or upwards to walljump tech, DTilt -> Fair works wonders.
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Dtilt and bair won't hit sweetspotters though.. you never want to let spacies get back to the ledge. Reverse uair is still where it's at. If I don't have time for that I try downward angled ftilt, but that won't hit sweetspotters either.
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
Run-off Uair is fun too.
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
I'd like to hear this one. Dtilts is something I was always remind to do by Raffa way back when and it is something that has been proven to be effective. Dtilt to dtilt. I'll send more your way later.
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
Low - mid.
SwizzyUK
Smash Journeyman
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KK cool,
also, someone decent tell me if any these work? I've got them written down from somewhere but my game isnt set up atm.
Down Cancel her dash attack -> Down B
(23%?) Up Throw -> dash attack -> dash attack -> Up Air
(0%?) Side B -> Down Air -> turn around, Down B
(80%) D-throw -> F-smash
also, someone decent tell me if any these work? I've got them written down from somewhere but my game isnt set up atm.
Down Cancel her dash attack -> Down B
(23%?) Up Throw -> dash attack -> dash attack -> Up Air
(0%?) Side B -> Down Air -> turn around, Down B
(80%) D-throw -> F-smash
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
I know downthrow to fsmash works when they DI behind you. Same works on Marth but the rest I don't know about.
PB&J
Smash Hero
Only Listen To Tipman Son He Knows What Hes Talking About
Linguini
Smash Master
Ehh, not too sure about the marth one, when I try to f-smash marths as they DI behind they can usually get out since the start up is so long.
Against sheik,yeah f smash works if they DI behind or forward, if they don't DI or DI up just u smash or bair them.
Ive been using dtilt alot lately, jab to dtilt to jab works on sheik at low percents if you crouch cancel one of her attacks lol.
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
It works. You gotta do it early mid percents. I remember seeing Ken do it as Ganon so I starting using it. That was a long time ago.
Dtilt and Dsmash are two moves I neglect. I'm gonna start putting more emphasis on those moves next time I get a chance to play someone.
PBJ I'm not the only one who knows Ganon. Also is that RockCrock in your sig? LOL, he isn't with that shjt.
Popertop
Smash Champion
Tipman you inspired me to play Ganon.
CluelessBTD
Smash Ace
Come play me so I can teach you some tricks of the trade :D
Where do you live now? Are you still in the Houston area? Jiggz ditto? Haha.
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
Combo of the week.
On Falco and Fox.
Dair > Side B > Dthrow > Uthrow > Down B
True story.
On Falco and Fox.
Dair > Side B > Dthrow > Uthrow > Down B
True story.
Popertop
Smash Champion
CluelessBTD
Smash Ace
It's about a 35 minute drive I think. Can you drive? I'm not sure about tonight, I have to study. Maybe tomorrow. My phone is out, so you'll just have to message me on here
Edit: don't know why I didn't PM this, oops :/
On topic, Dthrow combos into Fair against Peach.
SwizzyUK
Smash Journeyman
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BUMP - Character discussion of the week: Peach
from now on each week, the best combo on each character will be chosen by an elite panel of judges (or failing finding them... me). Congrats to Tipman for winning the first of our highly sought after awards for "Combo of the week"
Love it - I've added an actual section for combo of the week
from now on each week, the best combo on each character will be chosen by an elite panel of judges (or failing finding them... me). Congrats to Tipman for winning the first of our highly sought after awards for "Combo of the week"
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
Haha, I like the idea. I wish I had it recorded. Did it twice, once on Fox and once on Falco. So it is pretty viable. What's the next character to discuss Swizzy? Er, NVM. My browser is acting funny so I just seen Peach. I got tons for her.BUMP - Character discussion of the week: Peach
Love it - I've added an actual section for combo of the week
-To be continued.
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Peach: dthrow to fair/bair/uair/usmash. dthrow + usmash kills around 55-58% I think..
I'm not to hot on specifics right now lol
I'm not to hot on specifics right now lol
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
Ace dthrow to nothing is how it works. Dthrow to angled up ftilt and uair can work mid percents. Dthrow to upsmash works too but at higher percents and isn't really a combo most the time, Peach's double jump is just **** and she can't airdodge in time at the higher percents so Ganon gets the benefit out of that.
Dthrow fair I never heard of. I don't have Melee anymore so I can't really test it out.
Dthrow fair I never heard of. I don't have Melee anymore so I can't really test it out.
spider_sense
Smash Champion
haha I'm gonna have to mail you a copy.
CluelessBTD
Smash Ace
I do Dthrow Fair on Peach all the time. Watch Magus's matches vs Ryoka ryoko something, he does it a lot.
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
It's gotta be at high percents. At lower percents I just tilt cause of nairs.
Spider I'm gonna get it. Where I left it is a good while from where I stay so I'll pick it up sometime this month.
Spider I'm gonna get it. Where I left it is a good while from where I stay so I'll pick it up sometime this month.
CluelessBTD
Smash Ace
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
The Peach you were playing wasn't punishing your dthrows. at 1:36 you dthrow to uair at 0%. At 0% she can nair your jab. That fair though did look like it would have been a trade off at the most. I'm gonna try and remember that percent.
Not saying there isn't any truth in what you guys are saying but from my experience Peach has always punished me on **** like that. Dthrow > tilt/uair is all I've ever been able to get away with.
Clue that last KO was depressing. Almost had it.
Not saying there isn't any truth in what you guys are saying but from my experience Peach has always punished me on **** like that. Dthrow > tilt/uair is all I've ever been able to get away with.
Clue that last KO was depressing. Almost had it.
Magus420
Smash Master
Against Peach. The numbers are before the throw damage and are with the throw doing the full 7%. If it's stale and does 6% add 1 to the ranges, etc. This assumes perfect timing on both players actions.
D-Throw Advantage vs Peach (18 Lag; +2 Adv Differential):
0-8 .... +14
9-19 ... +15
20-30 .. +16
31-41 .. +17
42-52 .. +18
53-63 .. +19
64-74 .. +20
75-85 .. +21
86-96 .. +22
97-107 . +23
...
F-Air: No Turn
31-41 . Trade with N-Air
42-52 . Beats N-Air (0 Frames of Error)
53-63 . Beats N-Air (1 Frame of Error)
64+ ... True Combo
F-Air: Lagless Turnaround to Dash
53-63 . Trade with N-Air
64-74 . Beats N-Air (0 Frames of Error)
75-85 . Beats N-Air (1 Frame of Error)
86+ ... True Combo
B-Air: Behind DI
N/A ... Trade with N-Air
0-8 ... Beats N-Air (0 Frames of Error)
9-19 .. Beats N-Air (1 Frame of Error)
20+ ... True Combo
U-Air: No Turn at 0%
True Combo ..... 2 Frame Window for Error
Beats N-Air .... 4 Frame Window for Error
Trade w/ N-Air . 5 Frame Window for Error
U-Air: Lagless Turnaround to Dash at 0%
True Combo ..... 0 Frame Window for Error
Beats N-Air .... 2 Frame Window for Error
Trade w/ N-Air . 3 Frame Window for Error
On the 0% u-airs you might need to jump backwards into the u-air on no DI/slight behind DI.
You also have to consider reaction time, as well as the number of frames into their knockback that would allow their DI to be correctly identified for the situation. With Peach, there's 18 frames of knockback that occur before Ganon can act. To be able to act on the very 1st frame you can off the throw where DI sets up for separate actions to be done on frame 1 (such as DI behind needing you to dash behind into something instead), and if the DI were able to be identified starting from the 6th frame of KB, you'd need a choice-based reaction time of 12 frames or less in this situation, which is extremely fast (not to be confused with raw reaction time where 12 frames is simply 'above average').
You can figure out the d-throw advantage on any character with this...
D-Throw Advantage vs Mario (20 Lag; +0 Adv Differential):
0-8 .... +12
9-19 ... +13
20-30 .. +14
31-41 .. +15
42-52 .. +16
53-63 .. +17
64-74 .. +18
75-85 .. +19
86-96 .. +20
97-107 . +21
...
To find out the advantage ranges with the d-throw on any character you want, use the above list for Mario (20 lag; +0 Adv Differential), and add/subtract from the advantage using the list below.
D-Throw Lag (NTSC):
1.17 - Bowser ....................... 23 (-3)
1.14 - Donkey Kong .................. 23 (-3)
1.10 - Samus ........................ 23 (-3)
1.09 - Ganondorf .................... 22 (-2)
1.08 - Yoshi ........................ 22 (-2)
1.04 - Captain Falcon / Link ........ 21 (-1)
1.00 - Dr Mario / Luigi / Mario ..... 20 (+0)
0.94 - Ness ......................... 19 (+1)
0.90 - Peach / Sheik / Zelda ........ 18 (+2)
0.88 - Ice Climbers ................. 18 (+2)
0.87 - Marth ........................ 17 (+3)
0.85 - Mewtwo / Roy / Young Link .... 18 (+2)
0.80 - Falco / Pikachu .............. 16 (+4)
0.75 - Fox .......................... 15 (+5)
0.70 - Kirby ........................ 15 (+5)
0.60 - Jigglypuff / Mr Game & Watch . 12 (+8)
0.55 - Pichu ........................ 12 (+8)
D-Throw Advantage vs Peach (18 Lag; +2 Adv Differential):
0-8 .... +14
9-19 ... +15
20-30 .. +16
31-41 .. +17
42-52 .. +18
53-63 .. +19
64-74 .. +20
75-85 .. +21
86-96 .. +22
97-107 . +23
...
F-Air: No Turn
31-41 . Trade with N-Air
42-52 . Beats N-Air (0 Frames of Error)
53-63 . Beats N-Air (1 Frame of Error)
64+ ... True Combo
F-Air: Lagless Turnaround to Dash
53-63 . Trade with N-Air
64-74 . Beats N-Air (0 Frames of Error)
75-85 . Beats N-Air (1 Frame of Error)
86+ ... True Combo
B-Air: Behind DI
N/A ... Trade with N-Air
0-8 ... Beats N-Air (0 Frames of Error)
9-19 .. Beats N-Air (1 Frame of Error)
20+ ... True Combo
U-Air: No Turn at 0%
True Combo ..... 2 Frame Window for Error
Beats N-Air .... 4 Frame Window for Error
Trade w/ N-Air . 5 Frame Window for Error
U-Air: Lagless Turnaround to Dash at 0%
True Combo ..... 0 Frame Window for Error
Beats N-Air .... 2 Frame Window for Error
Trade w/ N-Air . 3 Frame Window for Error
On the 0% u-airs you might need to jump backwards into the u-air on no DI/slight behind DI.
You also have to consider reaction time, as well as the number of frames into their knockback that would allow their DI to be correctly identified for the situation. With Peach, there's 18 frames of knockback that occur before Ganon can act. To be able to act on the very 1st frame you can off the throw where DI sets up for separate actions to be done on frame 1 (such as DI behind needing you to dash behind into something instead), and if the DI were able to be identified starting from the 6th frame of KB, you'd need a choice-based reaction time of 12 frames or less in this situation, which is extremely fast (not to be confused with raw reaction time where 12 frames is simply 'above average').
You can figure out the d-throw advantage on any character with this...
D-Throw Advantage vs Mario (20 Lag; +0 Adv Differential):
0-8 .... +12
9-19 ... +13
20-30 .. +14
31-41 .. +15
42-52 .. +16
53-63 .. +17
64-74 .. +18
75-85 .. +19
86-96 .. +20
97-107 . +21
...
To find out the advantage ranges with the d-throw on any character you want, use the above list for Mario (20 lag; +0 Adv Differential), and add/subtract from the advantage using the list below.
D-Throw Lag (NTSC):
1.17 - Bowser ....................... 23 (-3)
1.14 - Donkey Kong .................. 23 (-3)
1.10 - Samus ........................ 23 (-3)
1.09 - Ganondorf .................... 22 (-2)
1.08 - Yoshi ........................ 22 (-2)
1.04 - Captain Falcon / Link ........ 21 (-1)
1.00 - Dr Mario / Luigi / Mario ..... 20 (+0)
0.94 - Ness ......................... 19 (+1)
0.90 - Peach / Sheik / Zelda ........ 18 (+2)
0.88 - Ice Climbers ................. 18 (+2)
0.87 - Marth ........................ 17 (+3)
0.85 - Mewtwo / Roy / Young Link .... 18 (+2)
0.80 - Falco / Pikachu .............. 16 (+4)
0.75 - Fox .......................... 15 (+5)
0.70 - Kirby ........................ 15 (+5)
0.60 - Jigglypuff / Mr Game & Watch . 12 (+8)
0.55 - Pichu ........................ 12 (+8)
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
Magus to the rescue!
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
This is an understatement.
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
Dair upsmash. Early percents both kicks hit.
Dair to full jump nair. 0% percent. bouf kicks hit.
Turnip drop > aerial
Throw item up > grab > throw Peach into item. Sounds useless till you toss her into a bomb.
Though DI can mess this up easily, side B > turnip throw. I used to do this a while back but looking at it now I'm not sure if it's a solid combo. If anyone wants to test that out to see if its legit that would be nice. Only time I really try to use this is when I catch a super turnip.
All I can really remember now. Anything else pops up I'll drop a line.
Magus your post are always helpful. Get some new vids up.
Dair to full jump nair. 0% percent. bouf kicks hit.
Turnip drop > aerial
Throw item up > grab > throw Peach into item. Sounds useless till you toss her into a bomb.
Though DI can mess this up easily, side B > turnip throw. I used to do this a while back but looking at it now I'm not sure if it's a solid combo. If anyone wants to test that out to see if its legit that would be nice. Only time I really try to use this is when I catch a super turnip.
All I can really remember now. Anything else pops up I'll drop a line.
Magus your post are always helpful. Get some new vids up.
Magus420
Smash Master
Or a glitched stitchface
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW25EnMzzRI#t=2m01s
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
On Peach Jab Uair/tilts works for some reason at mid percents. During their float though.
Also off topic, got a new Marth combo that is pretty funny. Dair>Dthrow>Dsmash>fair. it had to be at 0-7%.
-True story
Also off topic, got a new Marth combo that is pretty funny. Dair>Dthrow>Dsmash>fair. it had to be at 0-7%.
-True story
Dorsey
Banned via Warnings
If marth DI's the dthrow away can't he fair you or jump out before the dsmash would hit at that percent?
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
He has to DI behind you after dthrow to get the dsmash. Atleast that is how I got it.
CluelessBTD
Smash Ace
I've done that Marth one before, it works.
CluelessBTD
Smash Ace
I'm only double posting cuz it's been more than a day since the last post.
Here is a combo I did that works on Marth and I've got video proof. It was 0 to 50 percent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGpaJsGlGJM#t=2m45s
Here is a combo I did that works on Marth and I've got video proof. It was 0 to 50 percent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGpaJsGlGJM#t=2m45s
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
Double post don't bother anyone. My browser is acting up right now but I definitely wanna see that vid.
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
Browser fixed. That was hilarious. I'm starting to like downsmash more now. I think I might know a way to get a spike with it but I can't say till I test it.
CluelessBTD
Smash Ace
You can set up for an easy edgeguard if they SDI up and out after the first kick. It will turn them around and toss 'em behind you.