The Character Uniqueness Discussion Thread

[Mega Bidoof]

I like this thread. I think you're going to have a hard time getting people to not vote on who they want more, rather than putting all personal feelings for the characters aside and judging uniqueness alone, but it's worth trying out anyhow.

It was a relatively hard choice for me amid the Mario choices, and it eventually came down to Paper Mario, Petey, Fawful, and King Boo. I ultimately chose King Boo, because he has so many great options from his boss fights, ranging from Boo creation and manipulation, general invisibility, levitation, materializing of objects, and possible possession, and having the most unique stature, constantly floating off of the ground.

Petey and Fawful have a diverse collection of attacks and gadgets, respectively, of their own, so they're probably interchangeable between second and third, while Paper Mario might have been higher before Rosalina, but the fact that she already uses a puppetmaster gimmick leads me to look less fondly upon Paper Mario's helpers. Otherwise, Bowser Jr. and the Koopalings have too much semi-clone potential, Waluigi would be yet another prop abuser, E. Gadd's most prominent weapons have functions already seen in Smash, same with Birdo's few attacks, and the rest are self-explanatorily disregarded.

I agree with the putting aside personal feelings.
But the again, most people like the characters they like because they feel they are unique.

 

[Protom]

Hmmm...
Me, the master of paper. I wonder who I voted for...
DAISY

 

[Koopaul]

Like said in my other topic, how unique a character is will be up to Sakurai. In a game that allows the creator to take a lot of artistic liberties it really doesn't matter. You could make Daisy the most unique character if you were really dedicated and imaginative enough.

 

[SmasherMaster]

Shouldn't Toad, King Boo and Dr. Mario be in the poll?

 

[Fortanono]

Shouldn't Toad, King Boo and Dr. Mario be in the poll?

They are, that poll is outdated. You use a Google Docs poll to vote.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Bowser Jr. could utilize a moveset that highly focuses on his magic brush. He'd be the only character to utilize the graffiti mechanics, and what that does is temporarily leave damaging graffiti on Bowser Jr.'s opponent whenever he attacks with his brush.

 

[Mega Dunsparce]

I chose fawful because he is just a plan awesome character

 

[Forcerounds]

Uniqueness is not a good word to use. It could apply to anyone, and no significant progress on getting our roster predictions more accurate will be made. We need a word that is intentionally harder to interpret so we can raise the bar. Something that would befit a smash character who is the total package. I would use the word "special".

The newcomers announced so far are "special". They are from popular games, they are pleasantly surprising additions, and their move sets represent the concepts of the games they are from. Brawl has already covered the bare minimum and then some of character representation, now we need characters that are more special than other contenders. Popularity is extremely helpful here. So is the status of not being a redundant addition.

But knowing Sakurai, I'm probably wrong too. I just think we should think harder if we want to get our predictions more accurate.

 

[3Bismyname]

Paper Mario for sure. although i do think Jr could offer some unique traits, i do believe that he would share a few moves with Bowser jsut cause... well he is Bowser Jr

 

[Fortanono]

Could you not count one vote for Petey Piranha? I want to change my vote to King Boo.

 

[SmasherMaster]

View attachment 5612
Here is the roster we will be voting on.
I should proably explain a few things so I don't look insane.

1. Yes, I know the roster is big and has a whopping 62 characters. This is fine, as I stated before, we are not voting likeliness. I am also making a more realistic version, that will have less characters than this, which I will post later.

2. Don't worry, we don't have Diskun, Takamaru, a second Sonic character, and 3 Shulks on the roster, thos are just placeholders.
Diskun is a placeholder for an obscure WTF retro, like Mr. Game & Watch or R.O.B.
Takmaru is placeholder for a normal retro character, like Ice Climbers and Pit.
The 3 Shulks are placeholders for miscellaneous or 'Other" characters, that represent series not already in Smash Bros.
and the Sonic Logo is a placeholder for another 3rd party characters.

And also, since this is unrealistic, please tell me if you feel a certain series should have more representation, or there should be more slots on the roster.

The roster needs more Shulks.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Ok everyone!
Voting is over.
I will count up the votes and the results and next poll will be up tomorrow!
Tomorrow is Donkey Kong!

EDIT: Ok, we'll I counted the votes faster then I thought I would.

The results are in!
The winner was Paper Mario, and by a landslide!

Paper Mario - 15 votes
King Boo - 4 votes
Bowser Jr. - 3 votes
Toad - 2 votes
Fawful - 2 votes
Koopalings - 1 votes
Dr. Mario - 0 votes
Daisy - 0 votes
Professor E. Gadd - votes
Petey Piranha - 0 votes

The next vote will be for Donkey Kong, and will start tomorrow!

 

[BKupa666]

Paper Mario winning isn't really much of a surprise, given his exposure in comparison to more unknown unique characters like King Boo or Petey Piranha. Ah well, maybe after the inevitable Luigi's Mansion 3 or something, King Boo will get the spotlight he deserves.

 

[SuperBrawler]

So, DK characters today?

 

[Mega Bidoof]

So, DK characters today?

Yes, I'll have the poll up later.
And this voting will go end Tuesday night.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1dZJ6xZvz2vU46UgbGeWfYaBOCfx38K9WwWJDzcS6wsc/edit
Donkey Kong vote is up!

 

[BKupa666]

K. Rool > Cranky > Lanky > Funky > Dixie > Chunky > DK Jr. > Jumpman > Pauline

I'll just touch on the "main three contenders." K. Rool has his crown toss (projectile or ranged trap), crown for spiky headbutts or jabs, golden stomach for belly flops or super armor, cannonball rain, playing dead, Kredits, blunderbuss dash, blunderbuss vacuum, regular cannonball (shot as one-time item or as reusable projectile), spiked cannonball (shot as one-item item or as reusable projectile), freezing clouds, movement-slowing clouds, control-reversing clouds, invisibility, a helicopter pack, electric pods, KAOS, green shockwaves, boxing gloves, his Blast-O-Matic, Klaptraps, and general crocodile attacks (chomps, tail whips, The Death Rool). I may have missed a few things along the way from the Paon games.

Cranky has his generic denture projectile and high bounce from Tropical Freeze, props from Donkey Kong arcade, and most importantly (and also rarely mentioned), potions from his DK64 days (giving him status effects to place on foes or himself, like growth or shrinkage, or maybe poison damage). He can also...hit you with a cane.

Dixie can use her hair!! It's a conical hitbox, like Yoshi's tail attacks, but on every move! And her Bubble Gun, dramatically altered so as to stick to opponents and not be a generic projectile. And a command grab, which for some reason is floated as a special and not a regular grab like Donkey Kong's identical one. And...other props, like a juice box!!

 

[YoshiandToad]

K. Rool > Cranky > Lanky > Funky > Dixie > Chunky > DK Jr. > Jumpman > Pauline

I'll just touch on the "main three contenders."

Actually, I sort of wanted to hear what you had to say about the others you listed too. Regardless of chances I'd of liked to see what you'd come up with for them. We've all heard your thoughts of K. Rool and Dixie, but I can't be the only one wondering about your opinion on less likely characters such as Lanky, Funky and Chunky.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Choose Fawful because finkrats.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Choose Fawful because finkrats.

Mario vote is over.
Paper Mario won.
Even though I did want Fawful too.

Now we are on the DK vote until tomorow night.

 

[BKupa666]

Actually, I sort of wanted to hear what you had to say about the others you listed too. Regardless of chances I'd of liked to see what you'd come up with for them. We've all heard your thoughts of K. Rool and Dixie, but I can't be the only one wondering about your opinion on less likely characters such as Lanky, Funky and Chunky.

Lanky has his assorted DK64 attacks, but most notably, an extendable arm concept in which he's able to stretch out his arm attacks while the player holds down attack inputs, giving him potentially incredible range, but he has to wait for his arms to pull back in afterward, so if he whiffs, he's highly vulnerable. Funky has multiple food projectiles and his boot rocket, a surfboard prop, and his airplane for soaring around temporarily. Chunky has his projectile and generic strong attacks that could result in him becoming a DK clone. Then, the arcade three are basically minimally different from their regular counterparts and are all pretty interchangeable; aside from arcade props, they have very little to offer in the way of new or unique moves.

 

[Kon]

K. Rool > Cranky > Lanky > Funky > Chunky > Dixie > DK Jr. > Jumpman > Pauline

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I think Chunky has also much potential, just look at his moves from DK64. There are more things I can think of right away(throwing rocks, getting huge, shooting pineapples, the triangle, his burp, his slap with one flat hand) than I can in Dixie's case.

I'll just touch on the "main three contenders." K. Rool has his crown toss (projectile or ranged trap), crown for spiky headbutts or jabs, golden stomach for belly flops or super armor, cannonball rain, playing dead, Kredits, blunderbuss dash, blunderbuss vacuum, regular cannonball (shot as one-time item or as reusable projectile), spiked cannonball (shot as one-item item or as reusable projectile), freezing clouds, movement-slowing clouds, control-reversing clouds, invisibility, a helicopter pack, electric pods, KAOS, green shockwaves, boxing gloves, his Blast-O-Matic, Klaptraps, and general crocodile attacks (chomps, tail whips, The Death Rool). I may have missed a few things along the way from the Paon games.

Cranky has his generic denture projectile and high bounce from Tropical Freeze, props from Donkey Kong arcade, and most importantly (and also rarely mentioned), potions from his DK64 days (giving him status effects to place on foes or himself, like growth or shrinkage, or maybe poison damage). He can also...hit you with a cane.

Dixie can use her hair!! It's a conical hitbox, like Yoshi's tail attacks, but on every move! And her Bubble Gun, dramatically altered so as to stick to opponents and not be a generic projectile. And a command grab, which for some reason is floated as a special and not a regular grab like Donkey Kong's identical one. And...other props, like a juice box!!

Good points you made. Also your ideas on Crankys moveset potential are great with the different potions from DK64. Nice idea, would definitely like to see him using his potions during battles.

 

[BKupa666]

Good point about Chunky's attacks, I somehow missed the boulder and belching parts in my analysis of him. That, and upon reflection, his attacks might be similar to DK's, but you never see Chunky running around on all fours, so they'd have that difference in stature as well. I guess we'll find out in SSB10 or whatever.

 

[Nintendotard]

I chose Cranky Kong. Having the OG Donkey Kong beat the bajesus out of them young wipper-snappers would be awesome!

 

[PigmaskColonel]

King K. Rool is definitely my pick. He has the most moveset potential than many characters could ever even DREAM of having.

Plus, he's just freaking awesome.

 

[Kenith]

Did this thread die?

 

[PigmaskColonel]

Did this thread die?

I'm trying to figure out the same thing.

 

[Shorts]

Paper Mario, but everyone can be unique. I think him, as well as Fawful, just are obviously unique.

 

[Morbi]

I voted for Birdo... just because. I mean, it sounds unique. How many transgendered people do we have on the roster?

 

[Mega Bidoof]

I am back.
The thread is not dead.
I took down the DK votes, and the winners are K. Rool and Dixie!

I will bring up the next vote soon!

 

[Fortanono]

I am back.
The thread is not dead.
I took down the DK votes, and the winners are K. Rool and Dixie!

I will bring up the next vote soon!

When we do the Pokémon vote, I demand that Victini is one of the choices.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

When we do the Pokémon vote, I demand that Victini is one of the choices.

Next are the rest of the Mario spin-offs, then Zelda.
We will eventually get to Pokémon.

 

[Fortanono]

Next are the rest of the Mario spin-offs, then Zelda.
We will eventually get to Pokémon.

I'm just saying since most people forget about Victini.

 

[Vann Accessible]

Unique Mario characters?

First Geno. Detachable fists and cannons and star guns and destructo discs and ****.

Then Mallow. Stretchy arms and weather and cymbals.

Why aren't these two on the poll?

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Unique Mario characters?

First Geno. Detachable fists and cannons and star guns and destructo discs and ****.

Then Mallow. Stretchy arms and weather and cymbals.

Why aren't these two on the poll?

The poll is over.
We did both Mario Donkey Kong polls.
Next I believe we are doing Wario or Yoshi.

 

[Fortanono]

Since Shy Guy is deconfirmed, will you put him in your Yoshi poll?

 

[SmasherMaster]

And Ashley in the Wario poll?

 

[PigmaskColonel]

Please put Captain Syrup in the Wario poll. And whenever you do the Yoshi poll, I'd be happy to see Kamek.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

REVIVE!!!!!
Sorry about leaving this thread.
I will have the next poll up momentarily!

EDIT: I'm just going to tag the users who participated in this thread before.
@ Fortanono @ PigmaskColonel @ SmasherMaster @ Vann Accessible @ Morbi @ Shorts @ Diddy Kong @ Kenith @ Nintendotard @ BKupa666 @ Kon @ YoshiandToad @ Mega Dunsparce @ Mario & Sonic Guy @ Koopaul @ SuperBrawler @ Forcerounds @ 3Bismyname @ Protom


THE NEW POLL IS OPEN!
Yoshi Newcomer Poll​

 

[Mega Bidoof]

REVIVE!!!!!
Sorry about leaving this thread.
I will have the next poll up momentarily!

EDIT: I'm just going to tag the users who participated in this thread before.
@ Fortanono @ PigmaskColonel @ SmasherMaster @ Vann Accessible @ Morbi @ Shorts @ Diddy Kong @ Kenith @ Nintendotard @ BKupa666 @ Kon @ YoshiandToad @ Mega Dunsparce @ Mario & Sonic Guy @ Koopaul @ SuperBrawler @ Forcerounds @ 3Bismyname @ Protom

THE NEW POLL IS OPEN!
Yoshi Newcomer Poll​

Well I only got 2 votes on the poll, so I am going to leave it open for one more week.
I'll also tag the people just one more time, to hopefully gain attention to the thread.
@ Fortanono @ PigmaskColonel @ SmasherMaster @ Vann Accessible @ Morbi @ Shorts @ Diddy Kong @ Kenith @ Nintendotard @ BKupa666 @ Kon @ YoshiandToad @ Mega Dunsparce @ Mario & Sonic Guy @ Koopaul @ SuperBrawler @ Forcerounds @ 3Bismyname @ Protom

EDIT: Oops, just realized I double-posted.