Oblivion
Smash Journeyman
Assuming no change to the ledge grab mechanics, it is very magnetic like Brawl still. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vQD1yJinzeQ#t=412s
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Assuming no change to the ledge grab mechanics, it is very magnetic like Brawl still. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vQD1yJinzeQ#t=412s
Oblivion
Smash Journeyman
Ideas put forth are almost just as meaningless really. Do you think Sakurai reads the boards for ideas? I don't think they actually take input from the competitive side. They see nothing wrong with the mechanics.
Brawl actually had plenty of hitstun, but I can see how people might not see that due to a very irritating game mechanic - hitstun canceling on any attacks strong enough to send you into tumble state. So far I didn't see anyone exploiting that mechanic in any Smash 4 gameplay vids, but it's literally been people rolling around throwing out random attacks and dying at like 80% to a Mario fsmash, so I can't really say for sure.
SamuraiPanda
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Lack of hitstun led many things like multi-hit jabs to not even fully connect. Be it secondary to hitstun canceling or a lack of hitstun in general, the point remains that hitstun is far too low in Brawl and, in my opinion, led to many of the worst mechanics in the game. There are some gameplay clips where I saw characters getting hit and reacting in the air too quickly, which leads me to believe this is still prevalent.
ZSS and DK were the only ones that really had such an issue I think, but in Melee you could crouch cancel just about everyone's jabs anyway, of which CC's mechanics were largely changed for the worse in Brawl (and you can shieldgrab Falcon's rapid jabs between hits lol). But like yeah if you tried to break out of a combo in Brawl by only jumping, shaking the control stick, or using a special, and not airdodging or using an aerial, you'll be able to see the true amount of hitstun on any given attack.
JTsm
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Sakurai mentioned before playing the demo in a vid that this is not the final version and things will change as they see fit. But like Ori says, people are too quick to judge when the final completion isn't out. It may look like brawl, but I feel Sakurai is going to make this game more competitive-like.
Oblivion
Smash Journeyman
We can only hope.
kd-
Smash Lord
Good find, I didn't see that one, although this clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQD1yJinzeQ&t=4m36s shows something different. The clips were probably taken during two different builds of the game, interesting that there are examples of both Brawl-like snap/magnetic grips and Melee-esc Battlefields.
Oblivion
Smash Journeyman
Another interesting example happens shortly after that one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vQD1yJinzeQ#t=334s
you can tell he used up b really close to the ledge and grabbed it.
Actually it doesn't really look like he did. Everyone's "ledge grab" animation has them start off kinda like they barely grabbed the ledge from a near-horizontal angle, then back to vertical from gravity, and you can't grab the ledge while still rising from a double jump, so it looks more like Mario just grabbed the ledge from an awkward point right as he started falling from his double jump.
SoulPech
Smash Master
As long as they remove random tripping, have Jigglypuff, and no auto-ledge grabs, I'm ok with whatever.
Though I wouldn't mind if they removed the %scaling too...or at least tone it down.
Though I wouldn't mind if they removed the %scaling too...or at least tone it down.
I'm just glad there is another Smash game. What else more is there to want? Everything you guys are saying is nothing more than wishful thinking. Be happy there is another game for us all to enjoy and create more memories with.
I prefer to save my thoughts regarding competitive play until the game actually comes out.
Oblivion
Smash Journeyman
If you listen you can hear the sound of his up b, it's pretty distinct. It's weird.
Why is it so bad to talk about the mechanics that they show us? They may change they may not, whatever. I never complained about anything, just trying to have a little discussion besides, "I hope x, y, and z are in the game because I'm a fanboy."
JTsm
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With Villager and WiiFitTrainer in the mix, it's really a toss up to who's going in the roster. For most of the trailer seemed fine, but I think Sakurai is going to troll by having great mechanics and ****ty character choices, but who knows. lol
SoulPech
Smash Master
It's kind of like when Snake was added in, lol. It makes sense, but it was definitely unexpected.
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wut?
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wut?
Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.
Smash Master
I refuse to beleive that sakurai could be bad at his own game, so when he died to mario f-smash at 80% it was probably with the best DI imaginable. Mario is just gonna be OP.
Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.
Smash Master
Yes lets not care about the mechanics of a game that most of us plan to compete in.
#CasU4lLyF3
You're judging the game mechanics when it's not even the final build of the game.
Seems reasonable.
Seems reasonable.
You're right, it's totally pointless compared to trolling and flaming each other over meaningless **** again.
Zackery Hendricks
Smash Apprentice
Sakurai said he was trying to make this version more competitive. I dunno. I just feel like it isn't far enough in to development to warrant criticizing the engine.
SamuraiPanda
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When did this happen?
Zackery Hendricks
Smash Apprentice
I'll find the quote. It was in an article I read about smash 4.
Why the **** do I even bother...Yeah Apasher, don't start.
Is this article credible?
Oblivion
Smash Journeyman
Who is this even aimed at?
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Zackery Hendricks
Smash Apprentice
I can't find the article but it was a public statement by sakurai. I understand not believing me without the source but it did happen! D:
AllyKnight
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We won't even be able to host big scaled tournaments lol. think about it.
I can only see the 3DS version capable of such thing
I can only see the 3DS version capable of such thing
Roki with that site developer title.
Maestro_
Court Composer
Yes unless an adapter is made that directly plugs a controller into the wii u usb port, then yes. No tournaments.
Oblivion
Smash Journeyman
Why is that?
rokimomi
Smash Lord
hehehe
Maestro_
Court Composer
Oh you know all about the reason why Alan. The same reason you had to switch to a gamecube controller. wiimote's get all ****ed up around a bunch of wiis at once.
Oblivion
Smash Journeyman
But what about the new pro controllers?
Maestro_
Court Composer
Do they plug directly into the wii u?
Oblivion
Smash Journeyman
No, but I don't really know anything about them. Hopefully they don't work the same as Wiimotes 
Someone needs to bring this up to Nintendo lol.
Someone needs to bring this up to Nintendo lol.
Maestro_
Court Composer
Yeah most def
Nintendo's general response to anything involving large-scale tournaments that they're not the ones organizing is absolutely no response.