Work In Progress SWF Community Voted Tier List - 3.0 COMPLETE

[Xanthous]

+1
+1
+1

 

[link7]

+1
+1
+1

 

[UnownLegend]

So male robin needs to be placed on the low tier, below swordsman, Fem!Robin is perfect where she's at

:D

 

[Xyrohip]

+1
+1
+1

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

+1
+1
+1
+1
+1

Two things:

1. Double post (If you're on mobile, that's fine, it happened to me too, but mods will still warn you)
2. It's 3 characters now

 

[Ridel]

+1 I know it may seem like a lot but this character has show a lot of improvement and representation over the course of the last month. Olimar has one of the most reliable kill options in the game in his F-Smash and his fast aerials give him a good gimping and aerial spacing game, also good at camping with Pikmin Toss.
-1 This may just be my bias but I just don't know what makes this character that great. Maybe it's just that there are characters that rival his speed and mobility that are just overall better.

+1Probably has the best camping game out of the roster second only to DHD. Also has a lot of range and kill power though he/she is very slow in attack speed and possess a mediocre off-stage game.

+1 Has a great combo game along with great stage control with the Mecha Koopa, also has good off-stage mix-up options in the form of his many gimping tools (B-Air, F-Air, Up-B, D-Air, and Down-B), can also greaty benefit from crouch canceling due to the Clown Car hitbox having a bit of resistance. Has a good recovery as he can get his second jump back by using Side-B which in it self gives a good amount of distance, though his Up-B recovery is long it is easily gimped though the hammer swing that you can throw out posses a ton of kill power and a surprising amount of range. Though he has tremendous killing power setting up said kills are difficult due to having laggy smashes and a very short ranged grab.

-1 I find this character to be easily shut down by characters that can out camp, out speed, and out space him, though he still has one of the most fluid and effective combo game out of the cast and superior kill power.

+1Probably the best bait and punish character in the entire game, though his recovery is still an issue.

+1Everything......is..too..DAMN.....SAFE! Though she is big and easy to kill due to her light weight and mediocre recovery, though completely shuts down camping characters with her Gravitational Pull.

+1 Though I will say he is not as good as normal Pit he is not 9 tiers worse and should be bringing up the rear right behind him. Of the 3 clones in the game Pit and Dark Pit are most alike only possessing a few differences in moves including Side-B, Neutral-B, F-Tilt, and some minor angle adjustments.

That's about it for now I'll do more research into other characters soon.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

stuff

Also, it's only 3 characters now

way too much stuff

Same as above. Also it's only +/- 1 per character you vote for.

 

[Ridel]

Also, it's only 3 characters now

Same as above. Also it's only +/- 1 per character you vote for.

Too many rules. I'll post them 3 at a time then........................

I would hate to get rid of all that I wrote though so I'll just put my top 3 choices here

+1
+1
-1

 

[Scamper52596]

+1
+1
-1

 

[yams63]

+1
+1
+1

 

[elmike]

+1 megaman
+1 toon link
+1 villager

 

[FullMoon]

+1
+1
- 1

 

[Phenomiracle]

+1
+1
-1

 

[HeavyMetalSonic]

+1 (Got a load of buffs this game, all around MUCH better character, honestly think he's top 5.)
+1 (Great combo potential, combo's into knee makes it easy to kill.)
-1 (His lack of range kills him, not to mention all the lag from 90% of his moves.)

 

[Nessafile]

Uhhhh, is there not a smash 4 back room?

 

[Jaguar360]

+1 - Good survivability compared to other heavyweights, super armor, good ground game, good anti-juggle game, great grab with decent throws, above-average kill power, kill throw in d-throw
+1 - Tornado is very useful and versatile, excellent damage-racking, great followups off d-throw, u-tilt and d-tilt, UpB is a fast and strong OoS option and punishing move, high k.o. power, solid projectile, Super Sheet is great for gimping, reflecting and creating advantage
-1 - Very strong character, but has slow and laggy grab options (Egg Lay is better, but still a bit laggy), has to fish for k.o. options at times, below average throw rewards, vulnerable after DJ use

 

[Beach]

+1
+1
-1

 

[Lorde]

+1
+1
-1

 

[Cenizas]

+1
+1
-1

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

+1
+1
+1

 

[Jiggly]

+ Jigglypuff
+ Diddy Kong
-Wii Fit Trainer

 

[kenniky]

+1
+1
-1

 

[Antunee]

+1
+1
+1

 

[SmashXtraWithAnyone]

Its time (BUT SO EARLY) for the community voted tier list again! I did this for brawl over a period of a year and it became very popular with well over 1000 votes cast. I await the day the mods allow me to move this into the competitive forum where it belongs

In this spoiler is a big long explanation of how phase one of this process works

Spoiler

For new players or those that didnt take part in the brawl one, I do this because I have an immeasurable dislike for how Smash tier lists are formed. I am a big fan of the iterative process instead of the vote > average > list process. Iteration is a slower process but allows for more refined adjustments for each and every character movement before the list is looked at as a whole, and the process is repeated. It is a holistic process, designed to make a tier list factoring in many aspects.

This is my method, it is long but it is comprehensive and fun for people who get involved.

All characters start at an equal rating for a clean slate and will move up and down every update. Ideally we want a rank of characters completely individual with no sharing of a position however multiple characters can occupy the same spot.

Twice per week, every week, all members of SWF are welcome to post no more than THREE characters, and a direction they want to send them. Either +1 or -1. You can vote on any number less than three. Members are encouraged to spend their 3 votes on the characters they feel are most out of place. If you think 10 characters should go up and 10 should go down, pick the 3 that you feel are in most need of the boost.

Base your votes on ANYTHING you want. This is a community list. If you think tourney results are all that matters, use them. If your scene has a lot of a certain character and you cant beat them, vote them up. Put characters where YOU think they should be, not where everyone else does.

At the end of each voting period (at this stage it will be every monday and friday, but may become weekly) I will tally up every single vote. All characters who receive more + votes than – votes go up 1 position and vice versa. In cases of a character getting equal number, they wont move. For example if DK receives ten +1 votes but only one -1 vote, he will move up one spot. No character can ever move more than 1 spot at a time. A character however can be multiple places higher than others and move down, it will still only go down one.

Of course, each person can only vote once per period. Multiple votes in the same period are ignored, only the first counts.

This is an example of the required reply to this thread. At this point in time the maximum amount of votes is THREE per period. I will update the thread title when a new voting period begins.

DK +1
Ness -1
Mario -1

You are allowed to do any combination of + and – votes if you want, 3 + and 0 – votes is perfectly fine. Remember only +1 or -1 votes allowed!

Over time the tier list will spread out and characters will fit into their places.

We want to spread the list out so that every character is in their own position, we will worry about the grouping for tiers later and dont get complacent! Any character can be moved at any time with enough down votes.

If Diddy is sitting at #1 and in one update period he gets a single downvote and no one +1'd him, he could get sent down to #2 while the #2 character could overtake him. That's part of the fun! It keeps this list highly dynamic.

A final note on phase one, at any time I can change the maximum required number of votes. It will usually be between 3 and 5, it starts off at 5 to get things moving.

And this is phase 2 to create an actual list with tiers and characters in order

Spoiler

Phase 2 will happen when we move to finalise the list.

I will give 3 weeks notice before cutting off voting and cementing the list where I will break the list down into tiers based on the characters' positions.

Here a new phase of voting begins. People vote to organise the position of each character in each tier. We vote to break up the characters into about 5-8 tiers before voting on each tier, one at a time. Say for example we decide that a tier consists of these characters

This is how they finished when the voting ended. From here, we vote on the order of the characters but the rule is no character can move more than TWO spaces away from where they are.

A vote would look like this


I then simply average out the votes to come up with the final position. Think of it as each character is being ranked 1-8, I just average out the number with the only rule being no character can move more than 2 spaces.

The reason for this is many times people write a tier list and then after its complete, they realise that although one character is better than another, overall, they are probably lower factoring in matchup spread etc.

At the end of this phase two, the SWF Community Tier List Version 1.0 will be created. A short break and we begin version 2.0

Ideally we will create a list every 3-4 months.

Once people have read the rules, you are free to vote.

VERSION 0.998 21st FEBRUARY

CHARACTERS ARE NOW RANKED IN TIERS. A GAP HAS BEEN ADDED. IN ONE MORE PERIOD WE VOTE ON FINALISING VERSION 1.0 ON THIS LIST.

Diddy +1
Shiek+1
Cpt Falcon +1
Ness+1

 

[Luigi#1]

Diddy +1
Shiek+1
Cpt Falcon +1
Ness+1

We need a gigantic disclaimer at the top of every page saying "Only 3 characters!" because so many people new coming here are listing more then 3.

 

[Mazdamaxsti]

+1 (Got a load of buffs this game, all around MUCH better character, honestly think he's top 5.)
+1 (Great combo potential, combo's into knee makes it easy to kill.)
-1 (His lack of range kills him, not to mention all the lag from 90% of his moves.)

Uhm, not to be rude, but do you play meta knight? He isn't a laggy character, and his amazing damage output and kill power makes up for range (tornado does 20 damage and kills, cape kills at 80, F-smash kills at 70 from the ledge, a successful back air off the stage is guaranteed at 90%, etc). He is also fast, with good combos and a great recovery. He may not be top tier, but -1ing a character that's already on the bottom "cuz range and lag" ain't no reason to down vote this mhhhmmmm

 

[Forty4]

Uhm, not to be rude, but do you play meta knight? He isn't a laggy character, and his amazing damage output and kill power makes up for range (tornado does 20 damage and kills, cape kills at 80, F-smash kills at 70 from the ledge, a successful back air off the stage is guaranteed at 90%, etc). He is also fast, with good combos and a great recovery. He may not be top tier, but -1ing a character that's already on the bottom "cuz range and lag" ain't no reason to down vote this mhhhmmmm

Well technically, the OP stated that one can upvote or downvote a character for any reason. For example, if I think Falcon's crotch bulge is too big (which it is), I can -1 him.

 

[JimmyTheCaterpillar]

+1
+1
-1

(Not supplying why because that's apparently looked down upon for some reason....??)

 

[Mazdamaxsti]

Well technically, the OP stated that one can upvote or downvote a character for any reason. For example, if I think Falcon's crotch bulge is too big (which it is), I can -1 him.

It's a salt rant let me lay here in peace boy sheesh

 

[ぱみゅ]

How was that list in the OP even decided? You're doing the Tier List backwards, you can't group/list them and then get them voted. If the list is already made, what's the point? It's more evident because the list is a mess.

Anyway, feel like contributing. So the following ratings are assuming NO CUSOMS:

+1 Zelda
+1 Meta Knight (seriously, why is he that low in the first place?)
+1 Wii Fit Trainer

 

[Forty4]

How was that list in the OP even decided? You're doing the Tier List backwards, you can't group/list them and then get them voted. If the list is already made, what's the point? It's more evident because the list is a mess.

Anyway, feel like contributing. So the following ratings are assuming NO CUSOMS:

-1 ZSS
+1 Rosalina
+1 Luigi
+1 Lucario
-1 Peach
+1 Villager
-1 Link
+1 Greninja
+1 Megaman
-1 Toon Link
+1 Robin
-1 Kirby
-1 Donkey Kong
+1 Dark Pit
+1 Zelda
+1 Lucina
+1 Meta Knight (seriously, why is he that low in the first place?)
-1 Doctor Mario
+1 King DeDeDe
+1 Wii Fit Trainer

Only three votes, sorry.

 

[Zionaze]

how did a mod not read the rules?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

how did a mod not read the rules?

Everyone knows that mods are above, if not the law

 

[ぱみゅ]

I kinda missed the point out of how messy this whole thing was.
Edited out.

 

[gamegalaxy64]

+1 Yoshi
+1 Pikachu
+1 Mii Brawler

 

[Chandeelure]

+1
+1
-1

 

[Estaphan]

Robin +1
Pikachu+1
Ness+1

 

[CostLow]

I'm not sure I understand "Phase 2". Are characters like Diddy Kong and Shiek not able to move now? If that's the case then my vote is...

+1

If they can still move then my vote is...

-1
+1

 

[JmacAttack]

Ganon +1
Bowser +1
Shulk +1

 

[Browny]

OK GUYS UPDATED

Please look at the first post for an example on voting in phase 2. This lasts for ONE VOTE ONLY.

This phase exists for one reason, which is to determine how large we want tiers. If you prefer the idea of a tier list that goes like this

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or one like this

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Split the characters where you want. I will tally up where the splits take place and average it out to get an idea on how many tiers we want.