Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Salty the SLUG]

Yeah, it seems pretty unlikely that Sakurai would be so upfront with his references to Ridley if Ridley were to still be an unrevealed playable character.

I mean, it could still happen... but I'm definitely not expecting it.

Sakurai is usually a lot more subtle about his reveals, leaving us to theorize. The wii U is depending on games like Smash to sell big and get the Wii U back on the gaming market once again. The fans who are depending on Ridley being in the next Smash would be most disappointed if he were to show up as a mesely Stage hazard. - I think Sakurai has learned of this.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Going back to Ridley for a sec.

The Japanese comment for Miiverse talked about Samus' trauma.

So it's pretty obvious that it's Ridley.

https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAABAABnUYnWb9VV4Q

It's saids the same thing on the English version and its just to get the hype up

 

[N3ON]

Sakurai is usually a lot more subtle about his reveals, leaving us to theorize. The wii U is depending on games like Smash to sell big and get the Wii U back on the gaming market once again. The fans who are depending on Ridley being in the next Smash would be most disappointed if he were to show up as a mesely Stage hazard. - I think Sakurai has learned of this.

Ridley not being playable isn't going to dent sales to any great amount. Especially in Japan.

I can't imagine Sakurai is unaware of Ridley's demand, but if he thinks he's an unfeasible character for whatever reason, that's going to out-prioritize the demand unfortunately. However at this point really all we can do is guess, I mean, we don't even know Ridley's fate for certain yet.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

One thing is certain

Ridley gets shown playable: Internet explodes
Ridley gets shown as hazard: Internet explodes

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Someone earlier mentioned that there is a pretty sizable crack on the right hand side of the pic, where Ridley actually enters the level in Other M.

Between these two things, I think I can put 2 and 2 together. Wouldn't mind to be proven wrong.

Thing is Ridley never enters the area like that.

He leaves through a hole in the wall, but the hole looks nothing like that.

And I hope this turns into a...

"There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now, and Lucas is very similar."

Situation.

 

[DeadlyAllianceLeader]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai2dhNW0-sc

 

[Oasis_S]

Doesn't butthurt usually connote being upset WITHOUT MUCH WARRANT? I mean, shouldn't Ridley's possible (probable?) exclusion worry most people here? If RIDLEY can't get in, that doesn't bode well for pretty much any character if one of the most "deserving" couldn't make it. Like Shorts said, supporters of K. Rool, Palutena, Mewtwo, Takamaru, and Little Mac took an indirect hit today too. Splash damage.

 

[Salty the SLUG]

Ridley not being playable isn't going to dent sales to any great amount. Especially in Japan.

I can't imagine Sakurai is unaware of Ridley's demand, but if he thinks he's an unfeasible character for whatever reason, that's going to out-prioritize the demand unfortunately. However at this point really all we can do is guess, I mean, we don't even know Ridley's fate for certain yet.

I didn't say it would affect sales - it's still a smash game. But here in the fans of Smash who are REALLY hyped for Ridley will be let down - again. But we still do not know what will become of Ridley, so it's still up in the air and could fall any way.

 

[Diddy Kong]

My stance on Ridley's chances in the Rate Their Changes thread:

Ridley:

Chance: 55%
Sorry Ridley fans, you are highly overestimating your character's chances, and only base his chances on your own fan-created hype. Sakurai hasn't quite made a real effort making Ridley playable. And has stated there'd probably be some difficulties making him playable. However, he's demanded a lot now. In the West. Am definitely sure Sakurai has heard of his demand by now. And well, he's a lot easier to create a fighter out of now with the Other M model. However, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't make it in this time either.

Want: 85%
I'd like it if Ridley made it in the roster. But for different reasons than most. What I'm most interessted in is how Sakurai would make Ridley, despite having stated the difficulties before. That would proof to me the team that handles Smash has matured in designing movesets. Like, Ridley being the ultimate challenge (that, or making Yoshi competitively viable ) And of coarse knowing he listens to Western fan demand. Having Ridley in himself would be cool, and I think I'd enjoy him a lot as an opponent. But nothing screams out of pure excitement to play as the character, nor do I feel Metroid ABSOLUTELY needs Ridley, like he's the ultimate cure for cancer, HIV / AIDS, the plague, the flu, male patterned baldness and STDs.


Out of vocal protest, I nominate Anthony Higgs x 5

 

[Kamikazek]

Going back to Ridley for a sec.

The Japanese comment for Miiverse talked about Samus' trauma.

So it's pretty obvious that it's Ridley.

https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAABAABnUYnWb9VV4Q

Ah cool, people were worrying that the context of the Japanese post might be different but I was too lazy to find it...

"From Metroid other M, the Pyrosphere. Samus's trauma might appear..."

Kinda interesting, the reference to Samus's trauma make's it seem more likely that it's just a reference to Samus's freak-out in other M than hinting at a character or stage hazard, but at the same time referring to referring an individual as "someone's trauma" makes more sense in Japanese than in English, and if I'm not mistaken 登場(appearance) usually refers to a character appearing in a show/play/ect. rather than something like memories or an emotion surfacing. Also might is "kamoshirenai" which implys a fairly low probability but I don't think that's important at all.

My Japanese ain't all that great in terms of subtle contexts though so someone who's better at it should try breaking it down.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Thing is Ridley never enters the area like that.

He leaves through a hole in the wall, but the hole looks nothing like that.

And I hope this turns into a...

"There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now, and Lucas is very similar."

Situation.

My bad. This is the scene correct? Link
Even if they hole doesn't look LIKE it, from what i can tell there is only one hole in the area.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Am I the only person that thinks people are taking this thing in the wrong direction and are looking too deeply into nothing?

 

[DeadlyAllianceLeader]

Doesn't butthurt usually connote being upset WITHOUT MUCH WARRANT? I mean, shouldn't Ridley's possible (probable?) exclusion worry most people here? If RIDLEY can't get in, that doesn't bode well for pretty much any character if one of the most "deserving" couldn't make it. Like Shorts said, supporters of K. Rool, Palutena, Mewtwo, Takamaru, and Little Mac took an indirect hit today too. Splash damage.

I wouldn't say that, but if that is so, and the creators are putting in characters THEY want rather than what fans would prefer, then there is the chance that they like the same Nintendo games as everyone else and see interest in similar characters, but I digress... sorry for arguing with you, but just assuming things based one pic and one sentence from Sakurai is a bit bananas... not at all to judge anyone, but it was just build up for the hype of what the stage and what it has to offer, possibly what surrounds it and it's history as well.

Personally, I can't wait for the stage and said history and themes around it, possibly including characters and inevitably something like Ridley, because, lets face it, THIS is Ridley's turf in Metroid Other M, THIS EXACT SPOT where the stage is, so, and as little as I should assume, but SOMETHING about him is undoubtedly, unquestionably, gonna be in the game in SOME form, and frankly, such a nod that Ridley exists is better than nothing at all... as little as I may know about Ridley outside of Playing Super Metroid and reading his Trophy in Melee, as well as peeking at some wikias

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Am I the only person that thinks people are taking this thing in the wrong direction and are looking too deeply into nothing?

I'm thinking the same thing somewhat, we don't know enough to make the kind of conjectures some are.

Edit: But we can still speculate

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So...

What do you guys think the chances are Sakurai referencing the event and not a stage hazard/playable character?

I mean, he's referenced several other characters in the comments of the pics too.

"Pic of the day. A big fire breaks out in Gerudo Valley.
Epona, help!"

"Pic of the day. Come on out, Cragalanche! (Not really)."

"Pic of the day.
Viridi, Goddess of Nature, is about to obliterate the humans as they battle, driven by greed."

I doubt any of these characters will appear in the stages.

Am I the only person that thinks people are taking this thing in the wrong direction and are looking too deeply into nothing?

Of course. But nothing is all we have.

What do you think this means out of curiosity?

 

[N3ON]

Doesn't butthurt usually connote being upset WITHOUT MUCH WARRANT? I mean, shouldn't Ridley's possible (probable?) exclusion worry most people here? If RIDLEY can't get in, that doesn't bode well for pretty much any character if one of the most "deserving" couldn't make it. Like Shorts said, supporters of K. Rool, Palutena, Mewtwo, Takamaru, and Little Mac took an indirect hit today too. Splash damage.

Which is why saying any potential newcomer is a "lock" is dumb and presumptuous. Not to imply you do, but a bunch of other people are guilty of this.

I didn't say it would affect sales - it's still a smash game. But here in the fans of Smash who are REALLY hyped for Ridley will be let down - again. But we still do not know what will become of Ridley, so it's still up in the air and could fall any way.

That's true, I was mostly just saying that it won't affect the reception of the game to any extent that Sakurai would actually reconsider Ridley once moving past the idea of him being playable (if it even occurred to him - which it probably did).

Am I the only person that thinks people are taking this thing in the wrong direction and are looking too deeply into nothing?

Nothing?

Sure, people could still be wrong, there's a chance (a pretty small chance) that we still get a playable Ridley, but this is hardly nothing.

 

[Moon Monkey]

I agree with N3ON, there are some things that don't bode well for Ridley, but at the same time these things aren't necessarily a nail in his coffin.
But I wouldn't really say there is "nothing" that people are going off of.

At this point, I'm hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst.

 

[Salty the SLUG]

Wait a minute. Aren't there different Ridleys? (Theory - tell me if I'm wrong, I've never played a Metroid game)
In "Metroid other M", Ridley forms from different creatures, eventually ending in Ridley itself. From what we can see, he is very large; big enough to pick her up with his hand as if a doll-toy. From the first game, Ridley is a little bigger than Samus. If they use the Ridley from the first game, maybe he could work as a character.

 

[Oasis_S]

Which is why saying any potential newcomer is a "lock" is dumb and presumptuous. Not to imply you do...

PFFF, I totally do. Strong opinions. BD

 

[Oasis_S]

Salty, that's as bad as saying we can have Toon Link playable and part of a stage because there are different ones in the time line(s).

WHICH WE CAN I SUPPOSE, but we're dealing with how they're being revealed, and in that case he was revealed as a stage element, similar to what is looking like will happen to Ridley.

 

[Salty the SLUG]

Salty, that's as bad as saying we can have Toon Link playable and part of a stage because there are different ones in the time line(s).

WHICH WE CAN I SUPPOSE, but we're dealing with how they're being revealed, and in that case he was revealed as a stage element, similar to what is looking like will happen to Ridley.

We haven't seen Ridley as a stage hazard yet. There's still a chance. Just saying.

 

[N3ON]

Y'know, there's a very good chance every time I play on this stage I'm going to be instantly reminded of the events of today. At first I'll probably laugh, because I'm a terrible person, but then I'll feel sad over the lack of Ridley.

PFFF, I totally do. Strong opinions. BD

Strong opinions = Substantial Suffering when those opinions are Shot.

 

[FlareHabanero]

What do you think this means out of curiosity?

First off, this situation does not automatically mean Ridley is going to be a stage hazard. While it's true they may do something similar like Dead or Avilve Dimensions and make Ridley pop up out of nowhere and cause absolute chaos, that might not be the case. Keep in mind we're talking about two different developers from two different types of fighting games, what might apply to one might not apply for another. Keep in mind that in Dead or Alive Dimensions the Ridley thing was merely a licensed cameo due to the game being on the 3DS, and considering the game focused on varies original characters from the Dead or Alive franchise, naturally the Nintendo stuff was not going to be the focus.

Also another thing to keep in mind is that the Miiverse quote in question is being unusually vague and simply implying Ridley. If Ridley was supposed to be a hazard in the first place, why try to be so vague about it and not simply state that he's going to be there? Common sense says that if something is trying to be wrapped up, it might mean there is some sort of plan at hand that they don't want to reveal prematurely. Not to mention we haven't even seen Ridley as a stage hazard yet.

Also, the hole that people are making a big deal about may simply be a cosmetic detail. Keep in mind when it comes to these stages a lot of details are put into them in order to be as cosmetically similar to the original source material as much as possible.

I don't know if Ridley will become a playable character or simply make cameos as a hazard, but I think people might be jumping on the latter too prematurely.

 

[Oasis_S]

Strong opinions = Substantial Suffering when those opinions are Shot.

Maybe if you're a baby.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Am I the only one who'd prefer Admiral Pit stay on his Pit boards with all the other dumb as rock Pit mains=???

I personally find that offensive, more-so an intention that you're trying to start a fight with me. I don't like that, and have to ask for you not to do that again.

 

[N3ON]

Maybe if you're a baby.

The Ridley thread must've been a nursery today then.

 

[Oasis_S]

The Ridley thread must've been a nursery today then.

I dunno, outside of John and Chrono I think everyone is handling it well enough.

Unless like, you can equate "awh dang" to being butthurt.

THOUGH, maybe I haven't been paying much attention because I'm a terrible father. If they were beetles or cats maybe I would care more about them.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Honestly, I'd only consider taking Ridley's chances to make it in the game as a playable character serious to pamper the die-hard Ridley fanbase a little at this point. No need to sweet talk this I feel. Ridley will not be playable, unless by a miracle. Please set yourself up against dissapointments.

 

[Demna]

Hey guys, it's been a while, miss you all . Did I miss anything major? What discussion(s) did you guys have regarding Pyrosphere, the newly announced stage?

 

[Wario Bros.]

Hey guys, it's been a while, miss you all . Did I miss anything major? What discussion(s) did you guys have regarding Pyrosphere, the newly announced stage?

Yes, but to be exact, Sakurai's Miiverse post that's hinting at either Ridley's fate as a stage hazard or playable character.

 

[Bowserlick]

Alright. We can move on from Ridley's playability corpse. Maybe Sakurai will give Charizard a nice purple color option.

A Purple Charizard reveal tonight should be the man's next move.

 

[Kamikazek]

Hey guys, it's been a while, miss you all . Did I miss anything major? What discussion(s) did you guys have regarding Pyrosphere, the newly announced stage?

Total mass hysteria.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Hey guys, it's been a while, miss you all . Did I miss anything major? What discussion(s) did you guys have regarding Pyrosphere, the newly announced stage?

Ridley, Ridley, and more Ridley.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Hey guys, it's been a while, miss you all . Did I miss anything major? What discussion(s) did you guys have regarding Pyrosphere, the newly announced stage?

Well everything that has been discussed has been conveniently been summed up in Habanero's post above.

Some of us see the subtle hints as evidence pointing towards a possible stage hazard, though its nothing concrete, but it is leaning towards stage hazard.

And others think it would be best to wait and see.

Oh, and Chrono goes through a meltdown on the Ridley Thread.

 

[Deathconsciousness]

purple got me slow mo

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

The Ridley thread must've been a nursery today then.

You practically act like you are everybody's mother in this site. Like the character Uncle Grandpa.

 

[Salty the SLUG]

You practically act like you are everybody's mother in this site. Like the character Uncle Grandpa.

Oh yeah, how is that show? Seems like the makers of that show just took drugs and wrote down what ever they thought about. (no offense to anyone who likes it)

 

[KingofPhantoms]

(sigh) At times I feel like I'll never say something long, well thought out and useful here...

I guess I've missed most of the chances I could taken thus far because of my preference to stay out of conflict.

You practically act like you are everybody's mother in this site. Like the character Uncle Grandpa.

We do not speak of the thing that started the dreaded SMFA and-

What? I just found out it's getting it's own show now. Well hopefully it won't be as weird as SMFA. (I thought it was weird, at least)

 

[Admiral Pit]

You practically act like you are everybody's mother in this site. Like the character Uncle Grandpa.

It'd probably happen sooner or later sinced you mentioned that guy, but "Gud mornin'!"

But what you really need is some Aqua TV Show Show. At least that's lovable.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Oh yeah, how is that show? Seems like the makers of that show just took drugs and wrote down what ever they thought about. (no offense to anyone who likes it)

It doesn't premiere for a few more weeks, until I start college. It looks crazy and hilarious just like any modern day Cartoon Network show and looks even better than their last show Secret Mountain Fort Awesome. This is going to be the new Cow & Chicken of this era. The promo with him and his magic bag being beat up by a gigantic green monster was ****ing hilarious. Too bad many CN fans nowadays are ****ting on it and Clarence, just like they did for Adventure Time and Regular Show. Nostalgiatards piss me off (I avoid the them nostalgia***s for obvious reasons)!