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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

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With a Nintendo direct around the corner, do you guys think it will be a general direct, or will it specifically focus on Smash?
If a direct is happening it will 100% be a smash direct. Maybe a mini direct, or a 50 facts thing. It's also possible that we'll just get a trailer. But yeah I don't see a general direct happening this soon after the last one
 
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GoodGrief741

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Kirby Air Ride 2 has more chance of happening. (I mean, with how flexible it is as a franchise, and how successful it is, I don't see them not doing it.)
I think your pessimism has taken you to an extreme here. As much as I want a new Air Ride, in now way has it more of a chance of existing than a new F-Zero.

With a Nintendo direct around the corner, do you guys think it will be a general direct, or will it specifically focus on Smash?
I think Smash Direct.
 

ThoughtfulWanderer

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With a Nintendo direct around the corner, do you guys think it will be a general direct, or will it specifically focus on Smash?
It'll obviously focus on Smash. I don't see where people are getting the idea that we're going to have another general direct one month after the last. It aptly covered the rest of 2018 and general directs don't come out all that often anymore anyways.

The real question is if it'll be a trailer upload, Smash mini-direct, or full-fledged Smash direct.
 

Oracle_Summon

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Kirby Air Ride 2 has more chance of happening. (I mean, with how flexible it is as a franchise, and how successful it is, I don't see them not doing it.)
The day that you and all the other F-Zero fans give up is the day it is officially dead. Nintendo has been making gangbusters with:
  • Mario Odyssey
  • Breath of the Wild
  • Animal Crossing New Leaf
  • Pokemon franchise
  • Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
  • Splatoon
And we have a new Metroid on the way.
Let me ask you something. How do you think a new Golden Sun got trademarked? Why do you think Nintendo has been paying attention to Golden Sun?
Because of the fans and the support behind Golden Sun. Nintendo thinks they need a new gimmick in order to bring back a franchise to make it successful; however, Star Fox Zero has proven to Nintendo that is not the case.

If you are worried about F-Zero dying out and being ignored by its own fanbase then create a Discord, forums, or something to congregate all the F-Zero fans into one place. The Golden Sun fanbase keeps in touch, which boosts the morale of the group, which ensures that the franchise has longevity.

Nintendo wants success on the Switch. No other franchise that Nintendo owns can duplicate what F-Zero does. Sakurai himself questioned when Captain Falcon will be getting a new game. So a top executive, Sakurai himself, knows that a new F-Zero is wanted, but the fanbase itself has not massed in numbers to create a huge community nor does the F-Zero fanbase gather together in one place to draw support.

F-Zero fans are out there, but they need to be shown a place they can gather to solidify support for the franchise.
 
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I think your pessimism has taken you to an extreme here. As much as I want a new Air Ride, in now way has it more of a chance of existing than a new F-Zero.

My pessimism is not unwarranted.
The day that you and all the other F-Zero fans give up is the day it is officially dead. Nintendo has been making gangbusters with:
  • Mario Odyssey
  • Breath of the Wild
  • Animal Crossing New Leaf
  • Pokemon franchise
  • Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
  • Splatoon
And we have a new Metroid on the way.
Let me ask you something. How do you think a new Golden Sun got trademarked? Why do you think Nintendo has been paying attention to Golden Sun?
Because of the fans and the support behind Golden Sun. Nintendo thinks they need a new gimmick in order to bring back a franchise to make it successful; however, Star Fox Zero has proven to Nintendo that is not the case.

If you are worried about F-Zero dying out and being ignored by its own fanbase then create a Discord, forums, or something to congregate all the F-Zero fans into one place. The Golden Sun fanbase keeps in touch, which boosts the morale of the group, which ensures that the franchise has longevity.

Nintendo wants success on the Switch. No other franchise that Nintendo owns can duplicate what F-Zero does. Sakurai himself questioned when Captain Falcon will be getting a new game. So a top executive, Sakurai himself, knows that a new F-Zero is wanted, but the fanbase itself has not massed in numbers to create a huge community nor does the F-Zero fanbase gather together in one place to draw support.

F-Zero fans are out there, but they need to be shown a place they can gather to solidify support for the franchise.
The issue with that is that the F-Zero community mostly hangs out in F-Zero central. (The biggest website dedicated to F-Zero.)

The F-Zero subreddit is...not really alive. Kinda half buried. The discord is kinda dead too.

The issue with F-Zero central's forums is that a majority are very pessmistic over the idea of F-Zero returning. It's been like this for a couple of years, and it's been kinda ****ty to stay there. Always blaming Miyamoto, always blaming Nintendo. People are always arguing over F-Zero returning, and it's just turned into radioactive warzone. (the discord is dead too.) If you want to get a sense of how bad the pessimism of the fanbase has gotten, look at the updates on there, and you'll see the words "Let's hope that Nintendo can make a new F-Zero (But most likely they won't)." as part of the official update to the website. Reminder: That is the biggest F-Zero website.


The only places i can see anything positive about F-Zero is r/Nintendo and r/NintendoSwitch. But even then, there wasn't any hardcore fans that weren't wanting to talk about it like we about GS on here.

So right now, the fans that are positive about the idea of F-Zero are the ones that aren't really that passionate about the series, and the hardcore fans that are usually on websites are usually very pessimistic.

Unfortunately, F-Zero doesn't have the opportunity of giving CF a boost of popularity like it would for Golden Sun. So we're most likely not gonna get anything as an aftereffect of Smash's release.
 
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I don't think they need to connect to any newcomers. DK and Kirby's stages last time were held back for the final Direct and neither got a new fighter. There doesn't have to be any reason to hold back some new stages.
I feel like there has to be a good reason to hold back 5 stages out of 108 stages though. 5 stages is a very insignificant number of stages to hold back out of 108 total stages without there being some kind of reason. Especially since we know all stages will be announced before release and are all unlocked as soon as you start up the game. So there's no chance of there being some kind of oddball unlockable stage that's being kept as a secret.

I think what you're saying would make a lot more sense if the ratio of revealed stages to unrevealed stages wasn't so large. The fact that only 5 out of 108 stages are unknown to us two months before release of the game is significant in my opinion.

The only case where I can see one of those five stages not being attached to a newcomer is if the stage was related to a game not announced at the time of the August direct. The best example would be if we're getting a Yoshi's Crafted World stage.
 
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If we're talking about "gimmicks" that will make F-Zero come back, then they should have Capt. Falcon actually do Bounty Hunter work. Keep racing as the main priority, but on the side, be able to actually do bounty hunter stuff. I would totally buy it! I'm actually surprised Nintendo hasn't even used an idea like it yet.

For the record, I only played the first F-Zero game's Mute City, and an arcade station one. So, my knowledge is limited.
 

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Kirby Air Ride 2 has more chance of happening. (I mean, with how flexible it is as a franchise, and how successful it is, I don't see them not doing it.)
My pessimism is not unwarranted.


The issue with that is that the F-Zero community mostly hangs out in F-Zero central. (The biggest website dedicated to F-Zero.)

The F-Zero subreddit is...not really alive. Kinda half buried. The discord is kinda dead too.

The issue with F-Zero central's forums is that a majority are very pessmistic over the idea of F-Zero returning. It's been like this for a couple of years, and it's been kinda ****ty to stay there. Always blaming Miyamoto, always blaming Nintendo. People are always arguing over F-Zero returning, and it's just turned into radioactive warzone. (the discord is dead too.) If you want to get a sense of how bad the pessimism of the fanbase has gotten, look at the updates on there, and you'll see the words "Let's hope that Nintendo can make a new F-Zero (But most likely they won't)." as part of the official update to the website. Reminder: That is the biggest F-Zero website.


The only places i can see anything positive about F-Zero is r/Nintendo and r/NintendoSwitch. But even then, there wasn't any hardcore fans that weren't wanting to talk about it like we about GS on here.

So right now, the fans that are positive about the idea of F-Zero are the ones that aren't really that passionate about the series, and the hardcore fans that are usually on websites are usually very pessimistic.

Unfortunately, F-Zero doesn't have the opportunity of giving CF a boost of popularity like it would for Golden Sun. So we're most likely not gonna get anything as an aftereffect of Smash's release.
So the website just sits around and sulks? Does it try to throw around fan theories on what would bring back F-Zero to its golden days? What attracted fans to the game in the first place?
Being pessimistic and negative is fine every now and then, but it drives out supporters who would rather be in a more livelier place or potential supporters who see the veterans setting the stage for the future of the fanbase's morale.

Look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_RMX < This game proves that futuristic racers like F-Zero are not dead. It is even a homage to F-Zero itself.

But the studio who makes the games: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin'en_Multimedia is not first party and will more than likely move on to Playstation and XBox to release more of their titles.

This means that Nintendo would better off building up F-Zero to be their futuristic racer instead of relying on a 3rd party company to keep the game exclusive.

Now let me tell you something about Golden Sun. Yes, having the potential of Isaac as a Smash character does bolster Golden Sun's chances of being revived, but there is one huge difference between Golden Sun and F-Zero.
Edit: What I mean is that F-Zero has already established itself as the Nintendo futuristic racing game.

F-Zero is a long staying franchise, like Star Fox, that has already proven itself back in its prime. The franchise is still fondly looked back upon during the Gamecube days. Captain Falcon himself is a meme (not the best thing) which in turn makes him instantly recognizable. This can help the F-Zero franchise as it would be easier to draw attention to Captain Falcon and his origins.

Golden Sun, on the other hand, is a more niche side of Nintendo that many have not even heard of. Golden Sun is trying to get recognized and become the established traditional RPG held by Nintendo. F-Zero already is the established racer, not kart racer like Mario, of Nintendo's library. Golden Sun is fighting to be capture Nintendo's attention in saying that it can be the Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest of Nintendo's Arsenal.

tl;dr F-Zero has already established itself as Nintendo's traditional racing franchise; whereas, Golden Sun is attempting to convince Nintendo of making it the in house Traditional RPG.
 
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My pessimism is not unwarranted.


The issue with that is that the F-Zero community mostly hangs out in F-Zero central. (The biggest website dedicated to F-Zero.)

The F-Zero subreddit is...not really alive. Kinda half buried. The discord is kinda dead too.

The issue with F-Zero central's forums is that a majority are very pessmistic over the idea of F-Zero returning. It's been like this for a couple of years, and it's been kinda ****ty to stay there. Always blaming Miyamoto, always blaming Nintendo. People are always arguing over F-Zero returning, and it's just turned into radioactive warzone. (the discord is dead too.) If you want to get a sense of how bad the pessimism of the fanbase has gotten, look at the updates on there, and you'll see the words "Let's hope that Nintendo can make a new F-Zero (But most likely they won't)." as part of the official update to the website. Reminder: That is the biggest F-Zero website.


The only places i can see anything positive about F-Zero is r/Nintendo and r/NintendoSwitch. But even then, there wasn't any hardcore fans that weren't wanting to talk about it like we about GS on here.

So right now, the fans that are positive about the idea of F-Zero are the ones that aren't really that passionate about the series, and the hardcore fans that are usually on websites are usually very pessimistic.

Unfortunately, F-Zero doesn't have the opportunity of giving CF a boost of popularity like it would for Golden Sun. So we're most likely not gonna get anything as an aftereffect of Smash's release.
Wasn't there talks that Nintendo was gonna let someone make a f-zero game but they turned It down if that's the case it shows Nintendo still cares enough not to do it them selves which you can see as a blessing honestly I don't have a high standard for my f-zero lol my favorite is the first one so my bar is pretty low
 
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yup. guess they don't care....
I wouldn't say they didn't care they wanted to do it but the people that they wanted it done from turned them down I looked into it there called Criterion they did the burnout games and they turned them down so we could have had a game as soon as the Wii u but it wasn't meant to be
 

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It is nice to see less common franchises inspire games like that. I loved advance wars back in the day and now I can't wait for Wargroove.
That is exactly why I don't get Nintendo not releasing their less common franchises. The market for them exists since games such as Wargroove are being warranted and wanted; however, Nintendo just doesn't think simply releasing the game without gimmicks is needed.
Edit: The whole reason these markets exist is because Nintendo neglects their franchises.
 
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To be honest Xeno I can see where Miyamoto is coming from where could the series go from gx I think it reached the top with that game it was insane how fast it was but it's no excuse to just ignore the series for so long I mean if you can't keep going up give the people what thay want high speed future car action
 

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So the website just sits around and sulks? Does it try to throw around fan theories on what would bring back F-Zero to its golden days? What attracted fans to the game in the first place?
Being pessimistic and negative is fine every now and then, but it drives out supporters who would rather be in a more livelier place or potential supporters who see the veterans setting the stage for the future of the fanbase's morale.

Look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_RMX < This game proves that futuristic racers like F-Zero are not dead. It is even a homage to F-Zero itself.

But the studio who makes the games: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin'en_Multimedia is not first party and will more than likely move on to Playstation and XBox to release more of their titles.

This means that Nintendo would better off building up F-Zero to be their futuristic racer instead of relying on a 3rd party company to keep the game exclusive.

Now let me tell you something about Golden Sun. Yes, having the potential of Isaac as a Smash character does bolster Golden Sun's chances of being revived, but there is one huge difference between Golden Sun and F-Zero.
Edit: What I mean is that F-Zero has already established itself as the Nintendo realistic racing game.

F-Zero is a long staying franchise, like Star Fox, that has already proven itself back in its prime. The franchise is still fondly looked back upon during the Gamecube days. Captain Falcon himself is a meme (not the best thing) which in turn makes him instantly recognizable. This can help the F-Zero franchise as it would be easier to draw attention to Captain Falcon and his origins.

Golden Sun, on the other hand, is a more niche side of Nintendo that many have not even heard of. Golden Sun is trying to get recognized and become the established traditional RPG held by Nintendo. F-Zero already is the established racer, not kart racer like Mario, of Nintendo's library. Golden Sun is fighting to be capture Nintendo's attention in saying that it can be the Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest of Nintendo's Arsenal.

tl;dr F-Zero has already established itself as Nintendo's traditional racing franchise; whereas, Golden Sun is attempting to convince Nintendo of making it the in house Traditional RPG.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but that's what ****ing happens when a series isn't released for over 14/15 years. (depending on regons)
The F-Zero fanbase is incredibly small for one of Nintendo's franchise, but dedicated. But even a fanbase has their breaking point. I think that breaking point was back in 2015.

As for Shin'en. Yeah, i get that the genre isn't dead. But i see a lot people use this as a way to call the fanbase petty for asking for F-Zero when we have a game like Fast RMX. (Even if it's missing a lot of the charm of that series.) A lot of people on the Youtube platform kinda are putting the fanbase down by saying that F-Zero shouldn't be a racing game anymore, but a full action game like DMC. And this has been a conversation that is used when they say F-Zero has a slight chance. (It's a very controversial topic due to Spin-offs not being the fanbase's cup of tea.)

So yeah, the fanbase is ****ed.

I mean, It's not really established if they haven't used it in 14 years. The only racer that has survied is Mario Kart. (While F-Zero, Wave Race, and 1080 kinda died.)
There is talks that a Wave Race game might be coming, but that doesn't really help our chances.

Tldr; F-Zero has little chance of coming in my eyes, just due to Nintendo having said nothing positive on F-Zero's chances.
Wasn't there talks that Nintendo was gonna let someone make a f-zero game but they turned It down
Yeah, but that was asked of Nintendo of Europe. Not Japan or America.

But that only kept the fanbase's spirits positive for one year.

If we're talking about "gimmicks" that will make F-Zero come back, then they should have Capt. Falcon actually do Bounty Hunter work. Keep racing as the main priority, but on the side, be able to actually do bounty hunter stuff. I would totally buy it! I'm actually surprised Nintendo hasn't even used an idea like it yet.

For the record, I only played the first F-Zero game's Mute City, and an arcade station one. So, my knowledge is limited.
That sounds kinda complicated and a bit more money than Nintendo might want to put in that series.

Either it's a bounty hunter open world game, or a racer. A hybrid would have little chance of existing.


To be honest Xeno I can see where Miyamoto is coming from where could the series go from gx I think it reached the top with that game it was insane how fast it was but it's no excuse to just ignore the series for so long I mean if you can't keep going up give the people what thay want high speed future car action
If Miyamoto wants to think that, then sure. But that doesn't make his constant releases of Mario Kart and NSMB all the more hypocritcal.

And yeah. i find his excuse about not finding interest in making a new one all the more frustrating as he's the only producer of the series. So who the hell can even producer the series like F-Zero when no one has for over 14 years?
 
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The least they could do for F-zero are maybe a port or remake of the earlier installments.
Do VC releases count?

Though, i get what you're asking. I just don't think they'll remake it if they've taken this long to do anything with it.
 

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I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but that's what ****ing happens when a series isn't released for over 14/15 years. (depending on regons)
The F-Zero fanbase is incredibly small for one of Nintendo's franchise, but dedicated. But even a fanbase has their breaking point. I think that breaking point was back in 2015.
The issue with it being back in 2015 was Miyamoto's mindset of franchises always needing something new to warrant a new release. Star Fox Zero negates that reasoning and has shown Nintendo that maybe keeping the series to its roots is what fans want.

As for Shin'en. Yeah, i get that the genre isn't dead. But i see a lot people use this as a way to call the fanbase petty for asking for F-Zero when we have a game like Fast RMX. (Even if it's missing a lot of the charm of that series.) A lot of people on the Youtube platform kinda are putting the fanbase down by saying that F-Zero shouldn't be a racing game anymore, but a full action game like DMC. And this has been a conversation that is used when they say F-Zero has a slight chance. (It's a very controversial topic due to Spin-offs not being the fanbase's cup of tea.)

So yeah, the fanbase is ****ed.
I wouldn't see how it is petty as F-Zero would be the dedicated Nintendo futuristic racer; whereas, Fast RMX can slither off to other consoles at a moments notice. Shin'en's racing games will not always be on Nintendo consoles.
Edit: To establish this ^ further: Nintendo knows how much money Fast RMX is bringing in for the Switch. Having a backup franchise like F-Zero that Fast RMX is based upon, it pays homage to, is worth having just it can be used at anytime and only for the Switch console itself.

Spinoffs in that case would rub fans of any franchise the wrong buy, but it would make for a great spinoff once the franchise is back on its feet.

I mean, It's not really established if they haven't used it in 14 years. The only racer that has survied is Mario Kart. (While F-Zero, Wave Race, and 1080 kinda died.)
There is talks that a Wave Race game might be coming, but that doesn't really help our chances.
What I mean by established is the genre that the franchise has fulfilled within Nintendo's household.
Like how Xenoblade is Nintendo's established JRPG franchise, Pokemon is the creature capture franchise, and Fire Emblem is the established Turn Based RPG franchise.

The only way I can see Wave Race helping F-Zero is that racing games are back in Nintendo's eyes of being potentially successful and could be worth the risk.

Tldr; F-Zero has little chance of coming in my eyes, just due to Nintendo having said nothing positive on F-Zero's chances.
It is reasonable to see things this way, but accepting it as is and doing nothing will not give hint to Nintendo that demand is high for the franchise.
 
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I feel like there has to be a good reason to hold back 5 stages out of 108 stages though. 5 stages is a very insignificant number of stages to hold back out of 108 total stages without there being some kind of reason. Especially since we know all stages will be announced before release and are all unlocked as soon as you start up the game. So there's no chance of there being some kind of oddball unlockable stage that's being kept as a secret.

I think what you're saying would make a lot more sense if the ratio of revealed stages to unrevealed stages wasn't so large. The fact that only 5 out of 108 stages are unknown to us two months before release of the game is significant in my opinion.

The only case where I can see one of those five stages not being attached to a newcomer is if the stage was related to a game not announced at the time of the August direct. The best example would be if we're getting a Yoshi's Crafted World stage.
Yes, I do think there is some reason, but I don't necessarily think its more than just "we wanted to save something for later" in regards to stages (barring stages directly tied to new franchises).


Mario and Zelda were pretty obvious why, two most well known classic Nintendo IP and all that. Everything else was returning or new IP.

Pokemon will probably get one, but I don't think it'll have anything to do with a Pokemon newcomer (assuming we get one) other than just being a stage based on Sun/Moon.

I still strongly suspect DK will get one based on Tropical Freeze, and it wasn't revealed with K. Rool for obvious reasons--K. Rool had nothing to do with Tropical Freeze. (Maybe it'll be revealed alongside Dixie as an Echo or something, idk.)


At least two stages I think will be for new IP. The third is anyone's guess. I've been speculating Metroid because its in a similar situation to DK (6 total stages, 4 returned), but its not nearly as big and Samus Returns not nearly as notable as Mario Odyssey and Breath of the Wild, and they may want to do another stage-only IP instead. Or maybe Xenoblade or something, given its gotten two games sense.
 

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I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but that's what ****ing happens when a series isn't released for over 14/15 years. (depending on regons)
The F-Zero fanbase is incredibly small for one of Nintendo's franchise, but dedicated. But even a fanbase has their breaking point. I think that breaking point was back in 2015.

As for Shin'en. Yeah, i get that the genre isn't dead. But i see a lot people use this as a way to call the fanbase petty for asking for F-Zero when we have a game like Fast RMX. (Even if it's missing a lot of the charm of that series.) A lot of people on the Youtube platform kinda are putting the fanbase down by saying that F-Zero shouldn't be a racing game anymore, but a full action game like DMC. And this has been a conversation that is used when they say F-Zero has a slight chance. (It's a very controversial topic due to Spin-offs not being the fanbase's cup of tea.)

So yeah, the fanbase is ****ed.

I mean, It's not really established if they haven't used it in 14 years. The only racer that has survied is Mario Kart. (While F-Zero, Wave Race, and 1080 kinda died.)
There is talks that a Wave Race game might be coming, but that doesn't really help our chances.

Tldr; F-Zero has little chance of coming in my eyes, just due to Nintendo having said nothing positive on F-Zero's chances.

Yeah, but that was asked of Nintendo of Europe. Not Japan or America.

But that only kept the fanbase's spirits positive for one year.



That sounds kinda complicated and a bit more money than Nintendo might want to put in that series.

Either it's a bounty hunter open world game, or a racer. A hybrid would have little chance of existing.



If Miyamoto wants to think that, then sure. But that doesn't make his constant releases of Mario Kart and NSMB all the more hypocritcal.

And yeah. i find his excuse about not finding interest in making a new one all the more frustrating as he's the only producer of the series. So who the hell can even producer the series like F-Zero when no one has for over 14 years?
Sure, it would be tough and a lot of money to make a hybrid like game, but it's not impossible. Look at GTA5. Almost half of that game is about racing in different cars. The other half is everything else. Imagine F-Zero in that form! Not like M rated or anything, but being able to explore an awesome futuristic world where the races are the biggest events and as Capt. Falcon (or any other character), when you're not racing, you can take care of other stuff like bounty hunter work and whatnot. There's a lot that F-Zero can offer. Just need to somehow get that idea injected to the right people.

Of course, because I'm not a fan of F-Zero, I'm probably spewing out nonsense. But it's an idea that would be very cool to see.
 

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One thing I'm curious about xeno have you heard the jazz covers of the og f-zero songs from the SNES era because if you haven't you gotta check them out that is worth the listen
 

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Sure, it would be tough and a lot of money to make a hybrid like game, but it's not impossible. Look at GTA5. Almost half of that game is about racing in different cars. The other half is everything else. Imagine F-Zero in that form! Not like M rated or anything, but being able to explore an awesome futuristic world where the races are the biggest events and as Capt. Falcon (or any other character), when you're not racing, you can take care of other stuff like bounty hunter work and whatnot. There's a lot that F-Zero can offer. Just need to somehow get that idea injected to the right people.

Of course, because I'm not a fan of F-Zero, I'm probably spewing out nonsense. But it's an idea that would be very cool to see.
I don’t see Nintendo pouring triple-A money into an unproven concept. The F-Zero fans will be placated with simple F-Zero, it doesn’t need to be an open world. (I wouldn’t complain though, and I guess that could help it sell - Nintendo needs to learn that some people will buy anything if it’s an open world.)
 
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The issue with it being back in 2015 was Miyamoto's mindset of franchises always needing something new to warrant a new release. Star Fox Zero negates that reasoning and has shown Nintendo that maybe keeping the series to its roots is what fans want.
The issue is that Star Fox Zero's sales could tell Nintendo a completely different message. we don't know.

They could just NOT do other IP's that aren't proven to sell well. Which would suck.
I wouldn't see how it is petty as F-Zero would be the dedicated Nintendo futuristic racer; whereas, Fast RMX can slither off to other consoles at a moments notice. Shin'en's racing games will not always be on Nintendo consoles.
Edit: To establish this ^ further: Nintendo knows how much money Fast RMX is bringing in for the Switch. Having a backup franchise like F-Zero that Fast RMX is based upon, it pays homage to, is worth having just it can be used at anytime and only for the Switch console itself.

Spinoffs in that case would rub fans of any franchise the wrong buy, but it would make for a great spinoff once the franchise is back on its feet.
They do it because they assume that fans of F-Zero like any other futuristic racer (which isn't true at all.)

I also ****ing despise Twitter's response to the "Star Fox Racing" rumor. They went full out in thinking this game would fully replace F-Zero, and i was not on board with this. The idea that Star Fox spinoff should replace a smaller franchise is a very dangerous throught, and it doesn't make me confident.
The only way I can see Wave Race helping F-Zero is that racing games are back in Nintendo's eyes of being potentially successful and could be worth the risk.
yeah. Fast RMX shouldn't be a replacement. But i also don't want Shin'en to make a F-Zero game just because of their size and how floaty their controls are for their games.

And yeah. Maybe that could be the case. But idk. It's hard to say.
It is reasonable to see things this way, but accepting it as is and doing nothing will not give hint to Nintendo that demand is high for the franchise.
You know the old saying, "It's best to lower your expectations to shield yourself from the inevitable disappointment."


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Sure, it would be tough and a lot of money to make a hybrid like game, but it's not impossible. Look at GTA5. Almost half of that game is about racing in different cars. The other half is everything else. Imagine F-Zero in that form! Not like M rated or anything, but being able to explore an awesome futuristic world where the races are the biggest events and as Capt. Falcon (or any other character), when you're not racing, you can take care of other stuff like bounty hunter work and whatnot. There's a lot that F-Zero can offer. Just need to somehow get that idea injected to the right people.

Of course, because I'm not a fan of F-Zero, I'm probably spewing out nonsense. But it's an idea that would be very cool to see.
I mean, GTAV is one of the most expensive games ever made. So i doubt Nintendo would want to do that with a franchise that hasn't proven to sell well in the past.

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One thing I'm curious about xeno have you heard the jazz covers of the og f-zero songs from the SNES era because if you haven't you gotta check them out that is worth the listen
Yes. It's the only meaningful content we've gotten in the past 14 years, so the community is aware.
 
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That is exactly why I don't get Nintendo not releasing their less common franchises. The market for them exists since games such as Wargroove are being warranted and wanted; however, Nintendo just doesn't think simply releasing the game without gimmicks is needed.
Edit: The whole reason these markets exist is because Nintendo neglects their franchises.
I blame Intelligent Systems for that, not Nintendo. They are so interested in Fire Emblem they have left the other franchises people love with nothing.
 

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I blame Intelligent Systems for that, not Nintendo. They are so interested in Fire Emblem they have left the other franchises people love with nothing.
IS has been acting pretty dumb with their own franchises so far.
 

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The issue is that Star Fox Zero's sales could tell Nintendo a completely different message. we don't know.

They could just NOT do other IP's that aren't proven to sell well. Which would suck.


They do it because they assume that fans of F-Zero like any other futuristic racer (which isn't true at all.)

I also ****ing despise Twitter's response to the "Star Fox Racing" rumor. They went full out in thinking this game would fully replace F-Zero, and i was not on board with this. The idea that Star Fox spinoff should replace a smaller franchise is a very dangerous throught, and it doesn't make me confident.


yeah. Fast RMX shouldn't be a replacement. But i also don't want Shin'en to make a F-Zero game just because of their size and how floaty their controls are for their games.

And yeah. Maybe that could be the case. But idk. It's hard to say.


You know the old saying, "It's best to lower your expectations to shield yourself from the inevitable disappointment."


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I mean, GTAV is one of the most expensive games ever made. So i doubt Nintendo would want to do that with a franchise that hasn't proven to sell well in the past.

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Yes. It's the only meaningful content we've gotten in the past 14 years, so the community is aware.
Honestly another problem with f-zero really would be that it's not that popular in Japan like star fox which I can only assume
 

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I feel like we need to get back on topic...
Hey that Isaac guy is pretty cool right?
 

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The issue is that Star Fox Zero's sales could tell Nintendo a completely different message. we don't know.

They could just NOT do other IP's that aren't proven to sell well. Which would suck.
It could tell them other things yes, but Nintendo could see the potential in re-introducing their own futuristic racer thanks to the sales of Fast RMX. We do have a new Nintendo president who is more competitive with sales and a business man.


They do it because they assume that fans of F-Zero like any other futuristic racer (which isn't true at all.)
Exactly.

I also ****ing despise Twitter's response to the "Star Fox Racing" rumor. They went full out in thinking this game would fully replace F-Zero, and i was not on board with this. The idea that Star Fox spinoff should replace a smaller franchise is a very dangerous throught, and it doesn't make me confident.
I agree with you on all points here.


yeah. Fast RMX shouldn't be a replacement. But i also don't want Shin'en to make a F-Zero game just because of their size and how floaty their controls are for their games.

And yeah. Maybe that could be the case. But idk. It's hard to say.
That is why I think Sega could reintroduce F-Zero to today's generation, with oversight on Nintendo's part. They have been making Sonic for so long that they have speed down pat. Having Nintendo partner up with Sega like they did for the Gamecube title would be ideal.

You know the old saying, "It's best to lower your expectations to shield yourself from the inevitable disappointment."
But it isn't best to lower your expectations to the point that you will not even utter a peep. It is reasonable to not get your hopes up, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't ever ask for another F-Zero.
 

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Honestly another problem with f-zero really would be that it's not that popular in Japan like star fox which I can only assume
Actually, i don't think Star Fox is popular in japan.

In america? yes. Most definitely. But these last few games have not sold well across all regions.

And i wouldn't say F-Zero isn't popular in japan...It's just way less relevant.
 

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Didn't know PushDustIn had an account on Smashboards. Has he popped in this thread before today or was this his first time here?
 

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The solution to make F-Zero more popular in Japan: make the storyline anime as ****. Go full on balls to the wall in cutscenes (get the studio that did those Star Fox animation things I’ve seen floating around).
 

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Didn't know PushDustIn had an account on Smashboards. Has he popped in this thread before today or was this his first time here?
Dustin's all over the place. It's his job. He's a pretty chill guy overall. I disagree with hype killing, but I can definitely see things from his point of view.
 

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That is why I think Sega could reintroduce F-Zero to today's generation, with oversight on Nintendo's part. They have been making Sonic for so long that they have speed down pat. Having Nintendo partner up with Sega like they did for the Gamecube title would be ideal.
F-Zero GX's team is busy getting riden by sega to produce constant Yazuza games.
The solution to make F-Zero more popular in Japan: make the storyline anime as ****. Go full on balls to the wall in cutscenes (get the studio that did those Star Fox animation things I’ve seen floating around).



Check GX's story mode, and GP Legend's story mode. And then come back to me.
 
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Hey everyone! I've preferred to stay away from Smash rumors and speculation and just focus on other things to make the wait easier. :laugh:

I've seen rumblings of a possible Direct coming soon. Is there anything concrete other than rumors? The change update to the website and YouTube list was interesting, but other than that I don't know if there's anymore evidence.

Anywho, still hopeful for our boy Isaac, even if things have been silent lately.
 

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I feel like we need to get back on topic...
Hey that Isaac guy is pretty cool right?
He sure is boy do I love his blonde hair
I know this is being said in a funny attempt to get back on topic, but you know when you're an offender who often finds themselves writing up long posts on any and everything to prove Isaac's in the game. It is kind of nice to just sit back and have a post that simply says: this character is awesome.
 
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