Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

Arsenal234 · Aug 27, 2018

Sabrewulf238 said:
Cool idea. Though it wouldn't make much sense obscuring Isaac with the sun since the second Saturos showed up we'd know who it was.

Though I guess the same was true for K. Rool.

Really I'd probably end up recognising the architecture of Venus Lighthouse the second the trailer started. Or if there were any "mysterious" psynergy sounds it'd give the game away.

True but most of us here are die hard Golden Sun fans. Of course were going to notice a golden sun trailer based off of the surrounding area lol. Blurring out Isaac would probably through off people who don't know Golden Sun as well. It was just an idea that popped into my head though.

XenoWarriorX · Aug 27, 2018

Sabrewulf238 said:
Speaking of the purple and yellow chairs, I saw someone suggest that they could be hinting at Rayman (hair + body) and now I'm really questioning if Skull Kid is being hinted at all.

Hm. That could be possible.

However, those chair colors could mean anything or nothing. (Besides, if patterns are nonexisting, then wouldn't sakurai want to hint in a different way?)

Sakurai: Okay, so i'll set up this background to look like a DKC setting with backgrounds and all. No one will expect a thing.

Everyone notices it, and now they're expecting the background to mean something for the next one.

Think about it. It's crazy. But what if Sakurai is intentionally throwing us off and hinting it to us in a different way? *wink wink nudge nudge.*

alguidrag · Aug 27, 2018

Well if I was Sakurai I would make fake hints, and watch the circus catch fire while I'm drinking my coup of Fan tear while I'm writting in my ~~Death~~ Deconfirmed note

KMDP · Aug 27, 2018

Sabrewulf238 said:
Speaking of the purple and yellow chairs, I saw someone suggest that they could be hinting at Rayman (hair + body) and now I'm really questioning if Skull Kid is being hinted at all.

I mean, the chairs could be hair colours: Gardevoir, Shantae and Isaac.

You can make them mean anything with enough thought.

QcSlayer · Aug 27, 2018

Sabrewulf238 said:
Speaking of the purple and yellow chairs, I saw someone suggest that they could be hinting at Rayman (hair + body) and now I'm really questioning if Skull Kid is being hinted at all.

Like I said, for King K Roll it was way more obvious, a rope ladder and a yellow/red barrel. Skull Kid may have been hinted, but it's just not as defenitive as the King K Roll background.

If we consider that the hint are shown before a character reveal (King hints and reveal the next announcement), Isaac should be the next one unless Skull Kid was really getting hint at.

Isaac is in Boys, the tweets...

Link=Isaac, silent protagonist
Marth=Garet, Marth real name if you traduce it from Japanese is MARS, just like in the FE OVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbgVuEsmrlo&t=9s at 0:05 boys and ladies.

Edit: GOD I LOVE OVA GORDIN, BEST ARCHER!!!

Shulk=Ivan, both can see into the future.

Guys, this is not a random tweet, I know that you were let down since the brawl era, but this is HAPPENING NOW, in 2018, stop behing delusional, Sakurai is not the kind to troll a community or post false hope.

Holdenon · Aug 27, 2018

QcSlayer said:
Like I said, for King K Roll it was way more obvious, a rope ladder and a yellow/red barrel. Skull Kid may have been hinted, but it's just not as defenitive as the King K Roll background.

If we consider that the hint are shown before a character reveal (King hints and reveal the next announcement), Isaac should be the next one unless Skull Kid was really getting hint at.

Isaac is in Boys, the tweets...

Link=Isaac, silent protagonist
Marth=Garet, Marth real name if you traduce it from Japanese is MARS, just like in the FE OVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbgVuEsmrlo&t=9s at 0:05 boys and ladies.
Shulk=Ivan, both can see into the future.

Guys, this is not a random tweet, I know that you were let down since the brawl era, but this is HAPPENING NOW, in 2018, stop behing delusional, Sakurai is not the kind to troll a community or post false hope.

As much as I really want Isaac in Smash Ultimate, he is not 100% in until Sakurai says it himself.

ThoughtfulWanderer · Aug 27, 2018

QcSlayer said:
Like I said, for King K Roll it was way more obvious, a rope ladder and a yellow/red barrel. Skull Kid may have been hinted, but it's just not as defenitive as the King K Roll background.

If we consider that the hint are shown before a character reveal (King hints and reveal the next announcement), Isaac should be the next one unless Skull Kid was really getting hint at.

Isaac is in Boys, the tweets...

Link=Isaac, silent protagonist
Marth=Garet, Marth real name if you traduce it from Japanese is MARS, just like in the FE OVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbgVuEsmrlo&t=9s at 0:05 boys and ladies.
Shulk=Ivan, both can see into the future.

Guys, this is not a random tweet, I know that you were let down since the brawl era, but this is HAPPENING NOW, in 2018, stop behing delusional, Sakurai is not the kind to troll a community or post false hope.

You know, I always wondered why Marth would take the place of Garet if it were a GS reference, but his Japanese name completely slipped my mind and how could I with gems like this and now it fits another one of the puzzle pieces.

Even so, I can't be completely convinced that tweet isn't just a coincidence until I see Isaac for myself.

alguidrag · Aug 27, 2018

Holdenon said:
As much as I really want Isaac in Smash Ultimate, he is not 100% in until Sakurai says it himself.

Well... no one are 100%, and maybe he is just acting like the other fanbases that say that their character is alredy in the game even if Sakurai don't said... so I can forgive that

Nazyrus · Aug 27, 2018

he is 100% teased that's for sure, lol

Lonodel · Aug 27, 2018

Isaac: Venus Adept said:
Super Camelot Bros. by StoicSeraphim

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I need this hat

on a note about 4th parties if we're getting fifty cent, I want the entire cast of the ultimate showdown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENYMDt1XZmQ&ab_channel=limekle, and every character from jimmy neutron!

SonicLink125 · Aug 27, 2018

QcSlayer said:
Like I said, for King K Roll it was way more obvious, a rope ladder and a yellow/red barrel. Skull Kid may have been hinted, but it's just not as defenitive as the King K Roll background.

If we consider that the hint are shown before a character reveal (King hints and reveal the next announcement), Isaac should be the next one unless Skull Kid was really getting hint at.

Isaac is in Boys, the tweets...

Link=Isaac, silent protagonist
Marth=Garet, Marth real name if you traduce it from Japanese is MARS, just like in the FE OVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbgVuEsmrlo&t=9s at 0:05 boys and ladies.

Edit: GOD I LOVE OVA GORDIN, BEST ARCHER!!!

Shulk=Ivan, both can see into the future.

Guys, this is not a random tweet, I know that you were let down since the brawl era, but this is HAPPENING NOW, in 2018, stop behing delusional, Sakurai is not the kind to troll a community or post false hope.

Wait? Since when could Ivan see the future? I thought the Shulk=Ivan comparison was that the both had a special weapon enemies wanted (Monado and Shamons Rod) and that they both had a special ability (See the future and Mind Read).

Either way, makes me wonder how the Smash community will react when they see Isaac's trailer. I can't wait for that to happen.

Call me crazy, but the chairs and couch make me think of Isaac and Felix more than they do Skull Kid. But I'm pretty sure I'm wrong on that.

pholtos · Aug 27, 2018

SonicLink125 said:
Wait? Since when could Ivan see the future? I thought the Shulk=Ivan comparison was that the both had a special weapon enemies wanted (Monado and Shamons Rod) and that they both had a special ability (See the future and Mind Read).

Straight from the wiki: Hama tells Ivan that as a Jupiter Adept, he has the same power of prediction and foresight she possesses and merely has not realized its usability yet.
So basically, a Jupiter Adept has the power of prediction, he just never unlocked it due to never needing to.

Arsenal234 · Aug 27, 2018

I forgot Hama said that. Well the photo must have been a Golden Sun reference. I wasn't convinced at first but now I am.

Johnknight1 · Aug 27, 2018

XenoWarriorX said:
I find it so strange that Dark Samus and Chrom are considered "echos", but Dr. Mario, Roy, Toon Link and Young Link aren't.

I'm honestly thinking only Dark Pit and Lucina were labeled like that due to their negative reception in 4. xD

Dr. Mario, Roy, Toon Link and Young Link all have unique attacks.

Just Toon Link alone has the following different moves/functions of moves: Down B, Side B, at least 1 tilt, 2 or all 3 Smash attacks, grab (Link's is now not a tether), Z-Air, and at least 3 aerials.

As games go on, clones get further and further away from their base character. 3 out of 4 of Link's B attacks have changed entirely, and his Boomerang has changed entirely twice. And even then, the entirety of how Link's spin attack has changed altered a ton from 64 to Melee and got new functionality in Brawl/Smash 4 on top of that.

Lucina and Dark Pit are just altered Marth (without a tipper and maybe some different multi-hit stuff?) and Pit (just a few altered moves) in Smash 4. Yes they may function differently, but none of their offense (Final Smash aside) are new. Everything is borrowed.

Now they can move differently, have slightly different sizes and maybe they could also have slightly different weights, but that is it.

All Echo Fighters so far are a copy of one character with the exception of Chrom. Chrom has Ike's up B and at least 2 other attacks (from what we can tell) but is an Echo of Roy otherwise (with a unique Final Smash to boot taken straight out of Awakening). Which makes the future of Echo Fighters... weird.

Like... it opens up to Ken as a Ryu Echo maybe borrowing some properties of Mario/Luigi for attacks (Mario/Luigi in Smash's base is basically the classic Street Fighter shoto fighter like Ryu/Ken/Akuma/Sakura/Dan/Sean/etc) to more match his Street Fighter II + Alpha series gameplay (plus his own 2 special Final Smashes), and maybe Shadow as an Echo getting a gun (and a Chaos Control Final Smash).

And there are certainly other properties or executions of it + clones in Smash. Which is why I'm just telling people... if we truly get at least 4 more Echo Fighters and/or clones at launch, we could get some wild DLC Echo Fighter and/or clone choices as DLC. Like... Sephiroth crazy just to throw it out there. I sound crazy, but I think it's possible, just because this dev team is actually breaking convention for everything and anything. They're insane (AND I LIKE IT, I LOVE IT, AND I WANT MORE!).

XenoWarriorX said:
OH YEAH GOLDEN SUN ASSIST TROPHIES WOULD BE SICK.

I would think it would be cool if Matthew was the Assist Trophy character and he was basically the Isaac Assist Trophy from Brawl.

QcSlayer · Aug 27, 2018

pholtos said:
Straight from the wiki: Hama tells Ivan that as a Jupiter Adept, he has the same power of prediction and foresight she possesses and merely has not realized its usability yet.
So basically, a Jupiter Adept has the power of prediction, he just never unlocked it due to never needing to.

Thanks, I'l have to update that.

Johnknight1 · Aug 27, 2018

tveye said:
Personally, I would love it if Sora got in (especially with a Riku echo). He would be my second choice after Isaac (or third after Felix).

Think it would be Roxas as an Echo (though Roxas could be an alt character while Riku is an Echo too).

Flynn.Scifo said:
That said what character final reveal could have a big enough shock factor to top Ridley, K rool and possibly characters like Isaac's reveal ? If I think of it that way I can see Sora happening.

P sure Sora is gonna happen regardless now lol. Sora could be the new Cloud... where's DLC, hype as hell, and just comes out of nowhere.

I like (not love) Kingdom Hearts' gameplay (in my opinion the story/lore/many interactions and characters are bad but eh), but man...

...Would be neat to see Sora in Smash. Imagine all these 7 playable Fire Emblem characters, 8 (current) playable Pokémon characters (plus whichever inevitable Gen 7 mon we get), all 8 playable Mario characters, Ness, Lucas, Shulk, Isaac, Geno, AND Sora playable in the game.

That is an insane amount of traditional-ish RPG characters that are playable. Would be sick to see all of those match ups! (which is heavily an underrated part of this INSANE PLAYABLE ROSTER!)

pholtos · Aug 27, 2018

If Venus Lighthouse became a stage, on occasion you'd see Felix jump off the side of the stage.

If Felix joins the battle on the stage, Alfonzo will take over jumping over the edge.
Alfonzo: "Leave it to me!"

Johnknight1 · Aug 27, 2018

Jupiter Ivan said:
I was more into Golden Sun Realm TBH though the two seem to be damn near identical. Except Realm to this day looks visually appealing.

Both Sites, while operational, are kinda dead. Also just a quick look at Realms shows that the fanfic section has recently been updated with a new story. The first in a long time.... and it’s a hentai... yeah ok no.

Sigh... there used to be such neat stories. I even made a few.

Damn, somebody already leaking the new Smash Bros Ultimate game mode!!!
:joyful:

Isaac: Venus Adept · Aug 27, 2018

pholtos said:
If Venus Lighthouse became a stage, on occasion you'd see Felix jump of the side of the stage.

If Felix joins the battle on the stage, Alfonzo will take over jumping over the edge.
Alfonzo: "Leave it to me!"

I really want to see Alfonzo as an adept now :laugh:

Johnknight1 · Aug 27, 2018

Nazyrus said:
he is 100% teased that's for sure, lol

Isaac is being teased like crazy.

The only character that feels teased more is Skull Kid and (maybe) Shadow and Ken.

And we are probably getting all 4 of them in Smash Ultimate, probably in the base game too.

Sabrewulf238 said:
Speaking of the purple and yellow chairs, I saw someone suggest that they could be hinting at Rayman (hair + body) and now I'm really questioning if Skull Kid is being hinted at all.

-The Termania stage being constantly shown
-The new Termania Field theme remix
-The Moon assist trophy character
-Skull Kid Assist Trophy being curiously missing.

Skull Kid is being teased hardcore.

ferioku · Aug 27, 2018

Diddy Kong said:
Play The Lost Age. I myself never played Dark Dawn, and even thiugh everyone said it was worse than the GBA games, I enjoyed it as much. Grown to appriciate it for what it is. You'll not regret playing TLA, but make sure you link the code you get for finishing the first game to TLA. The puzzles of TLA and it's overall scenery is definitely a huge improvement over the first game. At least, that's my opinion. You really should try to play at least TLA.

Ill definitely give it another try! My issue was time and school lol, but at this point, time isn't an issue.

Johnknight1 · Aug 27, 2018

pholtos said:
If Venus Lighthouse became a stage, on occasion you'd see Felix jump of the side of the stage.

If Felix joins the battle on the stage, Alfonzo will take over jumping over the edge.
Alfonzo: "Leave it to me!"

It is an interesting conundrum as to what the stage would be. The Mercury Lighthouse would be a great locale, and the Venus Lighthouse is probably "the pick."

But I think it would be really cool if it were Mt. Aleph. IDK, maybe it's just me that would like that. But irregardless, I would be happy with ANY Golden Sun stage (as long as it isn't terrible to play lol).

Metocles · Aug 27, 2018

ThoughtfulWanderer said:
There's been an emphasis on new franchises getting tons of songs, so I think 15-25 is the realistic range for Golden Sun.

Would be an incredible step-up from the whopping 2 that Smash 4 had ~~which is still just as much as Final Fantasy got~~

This is another thing to bring up, but currently we really don't have any idea where the song total is coming from. There are 500 songs in Sm4sh and there are supposedly 900 songs with fanfare and menu stuff in Ultimate. Not sure if the 500 was the same (with smash exclusive music). You really do have to wonder how that total is being beefed up as many of the songs are already drawn from their respective series already and many of the series haven't had a completely new game to draw from. Even if they do, like BotW, Odyssey and Splatoon 1 & 2 we know roughly how much each of those are offering.

What I'm wondering is if the new songs are coming from new series that have a lot of music to draw from. In this, Golden Sun would make a lot of sense between 3 games. You'd instantly have your 20-40 songs they've been roughly taking from each newcomer. Others can obviously be similar, i.e. Banjo, however; there are yet others that don't fall into this category. Basically because their series is already in the game already. Skull Kid, for instance I'm sure would boost the amount of MM music in the game, but is it really going to be 20 songs worth? Not so sure, with such a gigantic library of Zelda music to choose from, they would probably pick and choose from each from each game in the series and end up with a good total including those tracks.

You have to make up the difference of 400 songs.

Johnknight1 · Aug 27, 2018

Isaac: Venus Adept said:
I really want to see Alfonzo as an adept now

I just want Alfonzo to be the default "background guy" in all Smash stages now TBH.

Like if you got Assist Trophies on and Tingle returns as an Assist Trophy character, then Alfonzo takes Tingle's spot on Great Bay... and also as The Moon too!!! :laugh:

Flynn.Scifo said:
We need new leaks to discuss, where are all the good fake leakers ?

My best experimental fake leak in Smash 4 was that "Dr. Mario was in the game" and I also guessed the time of Diddy Kong's reveal. Also hinted at something Duck Hunt and said Pac-Man was in the game IIRC.

I believe I did it with Swampasaur and someone else... and it was scary how right we were.

Also, a group of us + other people created a Kas-MOS or whatever (some Namco Bandai character) hype train after someone else we knew made a fake leak....

...and for some reason, it still lives on and people actually support is super hard now. I don't even know what or who the character is or the series lmao.

ThoughtfulWanderer · Aug 27, 2018

Metocles said:
This is another thing to bring up, but currently we really don't have any idea where the song total is coming from. There are 500 songs in Sm4sh and there are supposedly 900 songs with fanfare and menu stuff in Ultimate. Not sure if the 500 was the same (with smash exclusive music). You really do have to wonder how that total is being beefed up as many of the songs are already drawn from their respective series already and many of the series haven't had a completely new game to draw from. Even if they do, like BotW, Odyssey and Splatoon 1 & 2 we know roughly how much each of those are offering.

What I'm wondering is if the new songs are coming from new series that have a lot of music to draw from. In this, Golden Sun would make a lot of sense between 3 games. You'd instantly have your 20-40 songs they've been roughly taking from each newcomer. Others can obviously be similar, i.e. Banjo, however; there are yet others that don't fall into this category. Basically because their series is already in the game already. Skull Kid, for instance I'm sure would boost the amount of MM music in the game, but is it really going to be 20 songs worth? Not so sure, with such a gigantic library of Zelda music to choose from, they would probably pick and choose from each from each game in the series and end up with a good total including those tracks.

You have to make up the difference of 400 songs.

This post adds up the math and says that we currently have 608 songs accounted for, assuming that no songs from Smash 4 are lost. There's still around 200 unaccounted tracks left. While we could likely expect increases in every franchise (imo, most strongly in Mario, Zelda, Xenoblade, and probably Mega Man), it'd be hard to feasibly come up with so many that wouldn't leave room for a new franchise or two to join.

Johnknight1 · Aug 27, 2018

ThoughtfulWanderer said:
This post adds up the math and says that we currently have 608 songs accounted for, assuming that no songs from Smash 4 are lost. There's still around 200 unaccounted tracks left. While we could likely expect increases in every franchise (imo, most strongly in Mario, Zelda, Xenoblade, and probably Mega Man), it'd be hard to feasibly come up with so many that wouldn't leave room for a new franchise or two to join.

If I had to guess, we are getting at least a dozen new Mario and Zelda songs just based on the new stage, up to a dozen even. I wouldn't be shocked if we had over a dozen songs from both Mario Odyssey and Zelda: Breath of the Wild.

Also not sure how much this post accounts for all the returning 64, Melee and Brawl songs. We've also had plenty of remixes of songs from those stages and games. Also, Subspace Emissary had a crapton of songs (well remixes of the Brawl theme LMAO) that weren't in Smash 4. Like... we're talking at least 2 dozen.

ZelDan · Aug 27, 2018

ThoughtfulWanderer said:
This post adds up the math and says that we currently have 608 songs accounted for, assuming that no songs from Smash 4 are lost. There's still around 200 unaccounted tracks left. While we could likely expect increases in every franchise (imo, most strongly in Mario, Zelda, Xenoblade, and probably Mega Man), it'd be hard to feasibly come up with so many that wouldn't leave room for a new franchise or two to join.

Hopefully with how much they've been pushing music in Smash Ultimate (900 tracks, playlist feature, able to use Switch as a music device), Kirby and DK will get much better music representation this time around. the new Gangplank Galleon is a start.

To bring it back to Golden Sun, if Isaac makes it in, I could see a dozen musical tracks making it in or a little more than that.

SebasSancy · Aug 27, 2018

QcSlayer said:
Like I said, for King K Roll it was way more obvious, a rope ladder and a yellow/red barrel. Skull Kid may have been hinted, but it's just not as defenitive as the King K Roll background.

If we consider that the hint are shown before a character reveal (King hints and reveal the next announcement), Isaac should be the next one unless Skull Kid was really getting hint at.

Isaac is in Boys, the tweets...

Link=Isaac, silent protagonist
Marth=Garet, Marth real name if you traduce it from Japanese is MARS, just like in the FE OVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbgVuEsmrlo&t=9s at 0:05 boys and ladies.

Edit: GOD I LOVE OVA GORDIN, BEST ARCHER!!!

Shulk=Ivan, both can see into the future.

Guys, this is not a random tweet, I know that you were let down since the brawl era, but this is HAPPENING NOW, in 2018, stop behing delusional, Sakurai is not the kind to troll a community or post false hope.

For me, besides the character choices, the background is what makes me more curious. This could be just a cool picture and don't mean anything at all, but taking the picture in the Colesseum, which looks just like the Colosseum is weird. It can be just a coincidence but a pretty odd one because it looks just like a Golden Sun reference (And I doubt nobody told Sakurai what it looks like)

Flynn.Scifo · Aug 27, 2018

KMDP said:
So what you're saying is you want ET for Smash.

Games on Nintendo Consoles that Cloud has appeared in:

Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories

Theatrythm: Final Fantasy

Theatrythm: Final Fantasy Curtain Call

He's had Nintendo appearances, just not major ones.

Yes, I'm aware of these but you sure realize how poor this is as an excuse to justify his inclusion as he was just a guest / cameo.

Frosty Pops · Aug 27, 2018

Legendary Spirit Tamer said:
DLC echoes could be the only thing free or severely cheap. For the most part, it appears that regular DLC costs appear to be based upon the work required to make them + licensing where applicable. Bundles are cheaper. Though I can't say for sure, as I'd have to look into the exact prices and do a lot of comparisons/math.

But yeah, paying for "what are almost entirely costumes on regular characters" isn't very popular. Even moreso, there were a lot of complaints on the Mii Costumes being overpriced for what they were. Of course, I didn't feel the Smash DLC was unfairly priced, but I get what the point is. When you're not paying for actual hard playable differences, you feel cheated. It's like how overpriced Amiibo Festival was, considering it only had two Amiibo. 30 dollars would've made sense for the actual content required(lots of amiibo).

On other games like League it is common for players to purchase skins for characters. But they are not shown to be a unique character with a copied moveset. They are only made so people could differentiate from other players and show their love for their favorite characters that they use. So in that situation it is clearly defined why you are buying the skins. Buying echoes is entering a grey area for some as it could make people feel like they don't have all of the games content, because they don't have certain "characters".

Oasis_S · Aug 27, 2018

Do people still say Isaac would be "just another swordsman?" Like, he probably wouldn't even have to use his sword lol. I guess he probably should for a couple attacks, just because he could use a couple quick and simple moves. He could be like Ganondorf and only use it in his taunt lol.

True Blue Warrior · Aug 27, 2018

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Tiymako · Aug 27, 2018

Legendary Spirit Tamer said:
Eh, no. That is too subjective as well. 3rd party non-game characters(4th party never existed and never will. Unlike 2nd party, which is created by the industry to tell apart from 1st parties, due to a lot of weird company ownership issues, but it's mostly meaningless at times and very difficult to define from 1st parties) are exactly the same thing as game third parties. They're simply characters that aren't owned by the parent company attempting to licensing. That's it. No more.

I just want to say that 2nd Party is way more viable than 3rd Party only because they are under the 1st Party Branch. Since 2nd Party is almost as close as being 1st Party it's just under the name of the 1st Party. The only reason for any 3rd Party to be considered in Smash is if they have history with the 1st Party and even though 4th Party isn't as consider since they aren't in any kind of Video Game medium they shouldn't be even with the long history with the 1st Party since it is a legacy game for legacy games and icons, not games with anime icons.

Still, what would I know?

Pwnapplez · Aug 27, 2018

Oasis_S said:
Do people still say Isaac would be "just another swordsman?" Like, he probably wouldn't even have to use his sword lol. I guess he probably should for a couple attacks, just because he could use a couple quick and simple moves. He could be like Ganondorf and only use it in his taunt lol.

Isaac could be using an axe in the game and they will still call him an anime swordman.
People are just bitter.
FE should of picked better lords.

alguidrag · Aug 27, 2018

Oasis_S said:
Do people still say Isaac would be "just another swordsman?" Like, he probably wouldn't even have to use his sword lol. I guess he probably should for a couple attacks, just because he could use a couple quick and simple moves. He could be like Ganondorf and only use it in his taunt lol.

He taunt, show his sword and say "I'm not your average swordsman!"

DogManStar · Aug 27, 2018

alguidrag said:
He taunt, show his sword and say "I'm not your average swordsman!"

Robin said something like that in his trailer iirc

alguidrag · Aug 27, 2018

DogManStar said:
Robin said something like that in his trailer iirc

more reasons to me love Robin lol! He just "Anime swordsman? Sorry, I'm a mage!"

DMurr · Aug 27, 2018

Skull Kid probably has a better chance than Isaac because the demand for a new Zelda character in general is easily larger than the demand for Isaac. Skull Kid also happens to be a character that Sakurai has clearly thought of before (see: Mii costume, Miiverse reveal) at the "right place, right time" since the re-release of his game happened the same year as the initial draft of Smash Ultimate's project plan, as well as the addition of Skull Kid into the Hyrule Warriors roster due to fan demand. Every new Smash game, the most recent "one-off" from the Zelda series is highly requested: Midna, Ghirahim, BotW Champions, etc., and adding Skull Kid would be a way to satisfy fans of the series.

I don't think it's fair though to compare a Zelda newcomer to Isaac since Zelda is a Nintendo juggernaut series, and overdue for a new character since we haven't truly seen one since Melee. Isaac is more in line with Ridley, K. Rool, Geno, etc. because he's an individual character that's seen fan demand for years, as opposed to a series that's seen lots of requests for years. Isaac's in a more difficult spot than most others though because he's a new series to Smash that isn't a new series and (mostly) can't borrow existing assets, and has to be somewhat re-conceptualized in 3D.

That said, though, I think he's one of the likeliest individual characters simply due to being one of the most fan requested characters. If we know for a fact that K. Rool did well on the ballot, then we can reasonably assume Isaac did well too.

alguidrag · Aug 27, 2018

I think being a new series is a good thing to Isaac in eyes of the community, but Skull Kid would be the first non-triforce user in smash for zelda.

XenoWarriorX · Aug 27, 2018

DMurr said:
Skull Kid probably has a better chance than Isaac because the demand for a new Zelda character in general is easily larger than the demand for Isaac. Skull Kid also happens to be a "right place, right time" character that Sakurai has clearly thought of before (see: Mii costume, Miiverse reveal) since the re-release of his game happened the same year as the initial draft of Smash Ultimate's project plan, as well as the addition of Skull Kid into the Hyrule Warriors roster due to fan demand. Every new Smash game, the most recent "one-off" from the Zelda series is highly requested: Midna, Ghirahim, BotW Champions, etc., and adding Skull Kid could be a way to satisfy fans of the series.

I don't think it's fair to compare a Zelda newcomer to Isaac since Zelda is a Nintendo juggernaut series, and overdue for a new character since we haven't truly seen one since Melee. Isaac is more in line with Ridley, K. Rool, Geno, etc. because he's an individual character that's seen fan demand for years, as opposed to a series that's seen lots of requests for years. Isaac's in a more difficult spot than most others though because he's a new series to Smash that isn't a new series and (mostly) can't borrow existing assets, and has to be somewhat re-conceptualized in 3D.

That said, though, I think he's one of the likeliest individual characters simply due to being one of the most requested fan characters. If we know for a fact that K. Rool did well on the ballot, then we can reasonably assume Isaac did well too.

I feel like I'm in the minority here, but I don't think Skull Kid or even any new Zelda rep was requested heavily in the days of the ballot.

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