Stage Discussion

[Johnny Heart Gold]

Sadly, I made some research and, even though Brawl's "Great Sea" song doesn't return, Tal Tal Heights and the Song of Storms do return in their Brawl version, which really worries me....

Also, I want to make a list of all the stages from past games that won't return in Smash U since their tracks are already here:

Spoiler

Deconfirmed stages from the past:

• Brawl - Mario Bros.
• 3DS - 3D Land
• 3DS - Rainbow Road
• 3DS - Golden Plains
• Melee - Princess Peach's Castle
• Brawl - Mushroomy Kingdom (at least the 1-1 version)
• Melee - Mushroom Kingdom I
• Melee - Rainbow Cruise
• Brawl - Rumble Falls
• 3DS - Gerudo Valley
• 3DS - Spirit Train
• Melee - Brinstar
• Melee - Brinstar Depths
• Brawl - Frigate Orpheon
• Melee - Big Blue
• Brawl - Yoshi's Island
• Melee - Yoshi's Story
• Melee - Green Greens
• Melee - Corneria
• Melee - Venom
• Brawl - Spear Pillar
• 3DS - Unova Pokemon League
• 3DS - Magicant
• Brawl - New Pork City
• 3DS - Arena Ferox
• 3DS - Reset Bomb Forest
• Brawl - WarioWare, Inc.
• Brawl - Distant Planet
• Brawl - Windy Hill Zone
• 3DS - Pac-Maze
• 3DS - Balloon Fight
• 3DS - Living Room
• Brawl - PictoChat
• Brawl - Summit

Tortimer Island, Paper Mario and Pirate Ship does have some of their songs taken, but their main song ("Tortimer Island Medley", "Try! Try Again!" and "The Great Sea") have yet to come back from the Smash they appeared in (Great Sea does get a new remix for Skyloft though...)

Windy Hill Zone is from Sonic Lost World, wich came out way later after brawl.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Windy Hill Zone is from Sonic Lost World, wich came out way later after brawl.

I meant to write Green Hill Zone, but I guess I got mixed up between 3DS and Wii U stages.....


I'M ONLY HUMAN, AFTER ALL!!!!!!


I've edited it once again.....

 

[Das Koopa]

I suppose I might contribute my list regarding confirmed/debunked/unknown/etc stages. I built it over the course of the past couple of weeks as information came out. I compiled this, so the 3DS stages have actual track names whereas non-3DS ones don't:

Deconfirmed:


-3D Land: Main theme appears on Delfino Plaza. (Super Mario 3D Land Theme / Beach Theme.)
-Golden Plains: Both themes appear on Mushroom Kingdom U. (Athletic / Ground Theme, Ground Theme / Underground Theme.)
-Rainbow Road: Main theme appears on Mario Circuit 8. (Rainbow Road Medley.)
-Mushroomy Kingdom: Main theme appears on Mushroom Kingdom U. (Ground Theme.)
-Jungle Japes: Main theme appears on Kongo Jungle 64, alternate theme appears on Jungle Hijinx. (Kongo Jungle, Gear Getaway.)
-Gerudo Valley: Both themes appear on Skyloft. (Gerudo Valley, Ocarina of Time Medley.)
-Spirit Tracks: Main theme appears on Temple, alternate theme appears on Skyloft. (Full Steam Ahead, Main Theme/Underworld Theme.)
-Brinstar: Both themes appear on Norfair. (Brinstar, Brinstar Depths.)
-Yoshi's Island: Both themes appear on Yoshi's Wooly World. (Obstacle Course, Ending (Yoshi's Story).)
-Corneria: Both themes appear on Orbital Gate Assault. (Corneria, Star Wolf's Theme/Sector Z.)
-Unova Pokemon League: Theme appears on Kalos Pokemon League. (N's Castle Medley.)
-Prism Tower: Theme appears on Kalos Pokemon League. (Battle! (Trainer Battle) (Pokémon X and Pokémon Y).)
-Mute City: Both themes appear on Port Town Aero Dive. (Mute City, Mute City.)
-Magicant: Both themes appear on Onett. (Magicant/Eight Melodies (Mother), Smilies and Tears.)
-Arena Ferox: Main theme appears on Coliseum, alternate theme appears on Castle Siege. (Id (Purpose), Fire Emblem.)
-Reset Bomb Forest: Both themes appear on Palutena's Temple. (Wrath of the Reset Bomb, Dark Pit's Theme.)
-WarioWare, Inc: Both themes appear on Gamer. (WarioWare, Inc., Ashley's Song (JP).)
-Distant Planet: Both themes appear on Garden of Hope. (Main Theme (Pikmin), Stage Select.)
-Balloon Fight: Main theme appears on Wrecking Crew. (Balloon Fight Medley.)
-Living Room: Both themes appear on Wii Fit Studio. (Bath Time Theme, Bath Time Theme (Vocal Mix).)
-Pictochat 2: Main theme appears on 75m. (Pictochat.)
-Green Hill Zone: Both themes appear on Windy Hill Zone. (Green Hill Zone, Live and Learn.)
-Pac-Maze: Both themes appear on Pac-Land. (PAC-MAN, PAC-MAN (Club Mix).)
-Summit (Music assets were distributed to Boxing Ring and Wrecking Crew. Ice Climbers are gone.)
-Shadow Moses Island (No sign of Snake or Metal Gear content.)
-New Pork City (Music assets were distributed to Onett. Lucas is gone.)
-Pictochat (Music assets were distributed to Wii Fit Studio, 75m, Wrecking Crew, and Wuhu Island. Stage is more 3DS appropriate, and a sequel to it is on the 3DS version.)
-Spear Pillar (Music assets were distributed to Kalos. Palkia is a Pokeball Pokemon.)
-Frigate Orpheon (Music assets were distributed to Norfair and Pyrosphere.)
-Mario Bros. (Music assets were distributed to 75m and Wrecking Crew.)
-Rumble Falls (Music assets were distributed to Kongo Jungle 64 and Jungle Hijinx.)
-Green Greens (Music assets were distributed to Great Cave Offensive.)
-Big Blue (Music assets were distributed to Wrecking Crew and Port Town Aero Dive.)
-Rainbow Cruise (Music assets were distributed to Delfino Plaza.)
-Brinstar Depths (Theme is on Norfair.)
-Yoshi's Story (Theme is on Yoshi's Island Melee.)
-Venom (Theme is on Lylat Cruise.)
-Princess Peach's Castle (Theme is on Delfino Plaza.)
-Great Bay (Theme is on Hyrule Temple.)
-Mute City Melee (Theme is on Port Town Aero Dive.)
-Poke Floats (Theme is on Pokemon Stadium 2.)
-Yoshi's Island 64 (Theme is on Yoshi's Island Melee.)
-Sector Z 64 (Spiritual successor was Corneria. Music that would most likely be used on this stage is used in other Star Fox stages.)

Unlikely:
-Paper Mario: "Try, Try Again" appears on Yoshi's Wooly World.
-Dream Land: "Green Greens Ver. 2" appears on Great Cave Offensive.
-Tortimer island: "Kapp'n's Theme" appears on Town and City.
-Pirate Ship (Most music besides its two main themes seem to be distributed elsewhere.)
-Pokemon Stadium 1 (Theme most likely used on Pokemon Stadium 2 as returning stage tracklists have been expanded.)
-Icicle Mountain (Ice Climbers gone, themes already re-mixed in Brawl and used elsewhere.)
-Hanenbow (DS-centric stage that lacks water physics. Would've most likely been in the 3DS version.)
-Flat Zone (Theme is most likely on Flat Zone 2.)

Unknown:
-Find Mii
-Tomodachi Life
-Fountain of Dreams
-Kongo Jungle Melee
-Mushroom Kingdom Melee
-Mushroom Kingdom II
-Fourside
-Hyrule Castle 64
-Dream Land 64
-Saffron City 64
-Mushroom Kingdom 64
-Peach's Castle 64
-Planet Zebes 64

Should be noted that any stage outside of a Donkey Kong stage and an unknown series stage are technically unlikely once you examine the stage organization.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I suppose I might contribute my list regarding confirmed/debunked/unknown/etc stages. I built it over the course of the past couple of weeks as information came out. I compiled this, so the 3DS stages have actual track names whereas non-3DS ones don't:

Deconfirmed:


-3D Land: Main theme appears on Delfino Plaza. (Super Mario 3D Land Theme / Beach Theme.)
-Golden Plains: Both themes appear on Mushroom Kingdom U. (Athletic / Ground Theme, Ground Theme / Underground Theme.)
-Rainbow Road: Main theme appears on Mario Circuit 8. (Rainbow Road Medley.)
-Mushroomy Kingdom: Main theme appears on Mushroom Kingdom U. (Ground Theme.)
-Jungle Japes: Main theme appears on Kongo Jungle 64, alternate theme appears on Jungle Hijinx. (Kongo Jungle, Gear Getaway.)
-Gerudo Valley: Both themes appear on Skyloft. (Gerudo Valley, Ocarina of Time Medley.)
-Spirit Tracks: Main theme appears on Temple, alternate theme appears on Skyloft. (Full Steam Ahead, Main Theme/Underworld Theme.)
-Brinstar: Both themes appear on Norfair. (Brinstar, Brinstar Depths.)
-Yoshi's Island: Both themes appear on Yoshi's Wooly World. (Obstacle Course, Ending (Yoshi's Story).)
-Corneria: Both themes appear on Orbital Gate Assault. (Corneria, Star Wolf's Theme/Sector Z.)
-Unova Pokemon League: Theme appears on Kalos Pokemon League. (N's Castle Medley.)
-Prism Tower: Theme appears on Kalos Pokemon League. (Battle! (Trainer Battle) (Pokémon X and Pokémon Y).)
-Mute City: Both themes appear on Port Town Aero Dive. (Mute City, Mute City.)
-Magicant: Both themes appear on Onett. (Magicant/Eight Melodies (Mother), Smilies and Tears.)
-Arena Ferox: Main theme appears on Coliseum, alternate theme appears on Castle Siege. (Id (Purpose), Fire Emblem.)
-Reset Bomb Forest: Both themes appear on Palutena's Temple. (Wrath of the Reset Bomb, Dark Pit's Theme.)
-WarioWare, Inc: Both themes appear on Gamer. (WarioWare, Inc., Ashley's Song (JP).)
-Distant Planet: Both themes appear on Garden of Hope. (Main Theme (Pikmin), Stage Select.)
-Balloon Fight: Main theme appears on Wrecking Crew. (Balloon Fight Medley.)
-Living Room: Both themes appear on Wii Fit Studio. (Bath Time Theme, Bath Time Theme (Vocal Mix).)
-Pictochat 2: Main theme appears on 75m. (Pictochat.)
-Green Hill Zone: Both themes appear on Windy Hill Zone. (Green Hill Zone, Live and Learn.)
-Pac-Maze: Both themes appear on Pac-Land. (PAC-MAN, PAC-MAN (Club Mix).)
-Summit (Music assets were distributed to Boxing Ring and Wrecking Crew. Ice Climbers are gone.)
-Shadow Moses Island (No sign of Snake or Metal Gear content.)
-New Pork City (Music assets were distributed to Onett. Lucas is gone.)
-Pictochat (Music assets were distributed to Wii Fit Studio, 75m, Wrecking Crew, and Wuhu Island. Stage is more 3DS appropriate, and a sequel to it is on the 3DS version.)
-Spear Pillar (Music assets were distributed to Kalos. Palkia is a Pokeball Pokemon.)
-Frigate Orpheon (Music assets were distributed to Norfair and Pyrosphere.)
-Mario Bros. (Music assets were distributed to 75m and Wrecking Crew.)
-Rumble Falls (Music assets were distributed to Kongo Jungle 64 and Jungle Hijinx.)
-Green Greens (Music assets were distributed to Great Cave Offensive.)
-Big Blue (Music assets were distributed to Wrecking Crew and Port Town Aero Dive.)
-Rainbow Cruise (Music assets were distributed to Delfino Plaza.)
-Brinstar Depths (Theme is on Norfair.)
-Yoshi's Story (Theme is on Yoshi's Island Melee.)
-Venom (Theme is on Lylat Cruise.)
-Princess Peach's Castle (Theme is on Delfino Plaza.)
-Great Bay (Theme is on Hyrule Temple.)
-Mute City Melee (Theme is on Port Town Aero Dive.)
-Poke Floats (Theme is on Pokemon Stadium 2.)
-Yoshi's Island 64 (Theme is on Yoshi's Island Melee.)
-Sector Z 64 (Spiritual successor was Corneria. Music that would most likely be used on this stage is used in other Star Fox stages.)

Unlikely:
-Paper Mario: "Try, Try Again" appears on Yoshi's Wooly World.
-Dream Land: "Green Greens Ver. 2" appears on Great Cave Offensive.
-Tortimer island: "Kapp'n's Theme" appears on Town and City.
-Pirate Ship (Most music besides its two main themes seem to be distributed elsewhere.)
-Pokemon Stadium 1 (Theme most likely used on Pokemon Stadium 2 as returning stage tracklists have been expanded.)
-Icicle Mountain (Ice Climbers gone, themes already re-mixed in Brawl and used elsewhere.)
-Hanenbow (DS-centric stage that lacks water physics. Would've most likely been in the 3DS version.)
-Flat Zone (Theme is most likely on Flat Zone 2.)

Unknown:
-Find Mii
-Tomodachi Life
-Fountain of Dreams
-Kongo Jungle Melee
-Mushroom Kingdom Melee
-Mushroom Kingdom II
-Fourside
-Hyrule Castle 64
-Dream Land 64
-Saffron City 64
-Mushroom Kingdom 64
-Peach's Castle 64
-Planet Zebes 64

Should be noted that any stage outside of a Donkey Kong stage and an unknown series stage are technically unlikely once you examine the stage organization.

Yeah, odd enough, the organization right now bests fits a DK stage more than anything. I mean, I technically consider 75m only half a DK stage anyway.


I really, really like the idea of getting a new stage, but there's one franchise we can rule out stage-wise:

Spoiler

Golden Sun has tracks on TWO different stages at this point. The original GS track is still on Norfair, and its now been revealed that a remix of the Golden Sun: Dark Dawn Overworld theme appears on Palutena's Temple.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

-Jungle Japes: Main theme appears on Kongo Jungle 64, alternate theme appears on Jungle Hijinx. (Kongo Jungle, Gear Getaway.)

What I find strange is that the theme of Jungle Japes's stage is not in the game.... It also means that JJ isn't officially deconfirmed, but it's still weird....

 

[Das Koopa]

What I find strange is that the theme of Jungle Japes's stage is not in the game.... It also means that JJ isn't officially deconfirmed, but it's still weird....

It's on Kongo Jungle 64, iirc. May be a mix?

Kongo Jungle Melee is by far the most likely stage at this point returnee-wise, but I think a non-jungle themed DK stage is more likely than that.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

It's on Kongo Jungle 64, iirc. May be a mix?

Kongo Jungle Melee is by far the most likely stage at this point returnee-wise, but I think a non-jungle themed DK stage is more likely than that.

A.The only non-jungle DK stage is 75 m, which is confirmed to return
B.No it is not, unless it's unlockable or, if Kongo Jungle Melee returns as an unlockable, is on that stage.

 

[Das Koopa]

A.The only non-jungle DK stage is 75 m, which is confirmed to return
B.No it is not, unless it's unlockable or, if Kongo Jungle Melee returns as an unlockable, is on that stage.

75m isn't being treated as a strict DK stage since it's placed with Wrecking Crew. It's meant to represent the retro era. My assumption of a non-jungle themed stage comes from all the jungle-themed music put into those two stages. It would just be really weird if the third/fourth DK stage was another jungle one.

Hmm, I'm guessing it's unlockable to be on 64. Japes is still very unlikely since Gear Getaway is on Hijinx.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I'd love a new DK stage, but I'm hesitant to believe there will be one when Zelda and Pokemon only have one new stage each. The only way DK gets a new stage is if there's a lot more stages we don't know about, which would mean the stage roster has to expand by another column. Which is possible, but I don't think its happening at this point.

 

[Das Koopa]

I'd love a new DK stage, but I'm hesitant to believe there will be one when Zelda and Pokemon only have one new stage each. The only way DK gets a new stage is if there's a lot more stages we don't know about, which would mean the stage roster has to expand by another column. Which is possible, but I don't think its happening at this point.

Well, about that:

This was a construct made by Vaanrose using all the stuff we had learned regarding stage placement. Miiverse is incorrect (DLC stage post-release) so that's as blank as the stage on the second row, meaning there are upwards of two missing stages on rows 2 and 8.

One possibility is that there are no further remaining stages at all, and that rows one and eight have five as opposed to six stages, but that would force Delfino onto the second row. The rather perfect stage organization of the above conflicts with that, as the Mario series seem to have stages separated as follows;

2D platformer > 3D platformer > Mario Kart > Misc.

This technically debunks any returning Mario stages at all since it would force jumbling of rows, and makes a Donkey Kong stage the most likely outcome. It's unlikely to be a Party stage because a MP9 track appears on Mario Circuit 8, and it's unlikely to be sports related because Mario Circuit Brawl has a Tennis/Golf sports mix theme on it.

The stage ordering itself is as follows;

64 Series > Melee Series > Brawl Series > Smash 4 series > Retro > Misc > Third Party.

Port Town is unlikely to move up to give room for row 3 because its placement has consistently across all stage select screens been between Metroid stages and Yoshi stages, and FZ2 by series order would need to be with Fire Emblem. So the main thing to get is that either it's a VERY off-the-grid/unexpected Mario Stage or it's a DK stage that's either Kongo Jungle Melee or a new DK stage. The fact Kongo Jungle as a past stage has "64" in it may actually be a bit of a clue.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Well, about that:

This was a construct made by Vaanrose using all the stuff we had learned regarding stage placement. Miiverse is incorrect (DLC stage post-release) so that's as blank as the stage on the second row, meaning there are upwards of two missing stages on rows 2 and 8.

One possibility is that there are no further remaining stages at all, and that rows one and eight have five as opposed to six stages, but that would force Delfino onto the second row. The rather perfect stage organization of the above conflicts with that, as the Mario series seem to have stages separated as follows;

2D platformer > 3D platformer > Mario Kart > Misc.

This technically debunks any returning Mario stages at all since it would force jumbling of rows, and makes a Donkey Kong stage the most likely outcome. It's unlikely to be a Party stage because a MP9 track appears on Mario Circuit 8, and it's unlikely to be sports related because Mario Circuit Brawl has a Tennis/Golf sports mix theme on it.

The stage ordering itself is as follows;

64 Series > Melee Series > Brawl Series > Smash 4 series > Retro > Misc > Third Party.

Port Town is unlikely to move up to give room for row 3 because its placement has consistently across all stage select screens been between Metroid stages and Yoshi stages, and FZ2 by series order would need to be with Fire Emblem. So the main thing to get is that either it's a VERY off-the-grid/unexpected Mario Stage or it's a DK stage that's either Kongo Jungle Melee or a new DK stage. The fact Kongo Jungle as a past stage has "64" in it may actually be a bit of a clue.

I do agree. Kongo Jungle Melee would be nice. I honestly liked that stage, even though most hated it. I'd prefer a new DK stage but I don't see it happening.

My only fear is that they do count 75m as a DK stage. I personally don't consider "Donkey Kong" part of the main DK series, but you're really playing as Mario. But Nintendo seems to always associate it with DK. At the same time, 75m is listed separately from the main DK stages.


I think the more likely scenario is that those last two "slots" aren't filled it.

 

[Das Koopa]

I do agree. Kongo Jungle Melee would be nice. I honestly liked that stage, even though most hated it. I'd prefer a new DK stage but I don't see it happening.

My only fear is that they do count 75m as a DK stage. I personally don't consider "Donkey Kong" part of the main DK series, but you're really playing as Mario. But Nintendo seems to always associate it with DK. At the same time, 75m is listed separately from the main DK stages.


I think the more likely scenario is that those last two "slots" aren't filled it.

I find it unlikely since that'd present a blight on the stage organization by place 2 parts of the stage organization categorized with each other (3D Platfirmer Mario stages) on different rows. With all the effort put forth to make the rows seamless, it just seems unlikely to me.

Another thought that popped into my head was Kongo Jungle's naming - it's referred to as "Kongo Jungle 64", yet no other Melee stage is referred to as "Melee". I'm thinking the "64" was added to distinguish the two.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I find it unlikely since that'd present a blight on the stage organization by place 2 parts of the stage organization categorized with each other (3D Platfirmer Mario stages) on different rows. With all the effort put forth to make the rows seamless, it just seems unlikely to me.

Another thought that popped into my head was Kongo Jungle's naming - it's referred to as "Kongo Jungle 64", yet no other Melee stage is referred to as "Melee". I'm thinking the "64" was added to distinguish the two.

Well I do hope you're right and we get another DK stage.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I find it unlikely since that'd present a blight on the stage organization by place 2 parts of the stage organization categorized with each other (3D Platfirmer Mario stages) on different rows. With all the effort put forth to make the rows seamless, it just seems unlikely to me.

Another thought that popped into my head was Kongo Jungle's naming - it's referred to as "Kongo Jungle 64", yet no other Melee stage is referred to as "Melee". I'm thinking the "64" was added to distinguish the two.

Also, when you look at both Mario Circuits (one has "Brawl" in it's name), it really should confirm a second Kongo Jungle, shouldn't it?

 

[G-Guy]

Just curious, but does any of the current DK stages have the DK-Rap in it?
It's just such a glorious song, so it missing from any track list should point to Kongo Jungle Melee being unlockable.

I cannot believe the DK-rap to go missing, especially with DK's new crowd chant

 

[Das Koopa]

Just curious, but does any of the current DK stages have the DK-Rap in it?
It's just such a glorious song, so it missing from any track list should point to Kongo Jungle Melee being unlockable.

I cannot believe the DK-rap to go missing, especially with DK's new crowd chant

No DK Rap to be found, which is especially peculiar.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Yeah, lack of DK rap is odd... maybe there is another DK stage. Unfortunately its probably just Kongo Jungle Melee, but its still nice.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Just curious, but does any of the current DK stages have the DK-Rap in it?
It's just such a glorious song, so it missing from any track list should point to Kongo Jungle Melee being unlockable.

I cannot believe the DK-rap to go missing, especially with DK's new crowd chant

No DK Rap to be found, which is especially peculiar.

Yeah, lack of DK rap is odd... maybe there is another DK stage. Unfortunately its probably just Kongo Jungle Melee, but its still nice.

At least we have it as a crowd cheer! D-K! Donkey Kong!!

 

[Naoshi]

What I find strange is that the theme of Jungle Japes's stage is not in the game.... It also means that JJ isn't officially deconfirmed, but it's still weird....

The weirdest part is that its theme wasn't even in the 3DS version despite being the returning DK stage. (Instead we have the Congo Jungle 64 theme playing in that stage... that foreshadowing)

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

The weirdest part is that its theme wasn't even in the 3DS version despite being the returning DK stage. (Instead we have the Congo Jungle 64 theme playing in that stage... that foreshadowing)

This is getting even weirder...... was Kongo jungle 64 planned for the 3DS?

 

[Naoshi]

This is getting even weirder...... was Kongo jungle 64 planned for the 3DS?

It was probably just a hint. It kind of surprised me honestly.

By the way, the Yoshi's Story 64 theme is the only other known SSB64 song in Smash Bros 4 Wii U. It plays on either the Wooly World stage or Yoshi's Island Melee on Wii U.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

It was probably just a hint. It kind of surprised me honestly.

By the way, the Yoshi's Story 64 theme is the only other known SSB64 song in Smash Bros 4 Wii U. It plays on either the Wooly World stage or Yoshi's Island Melee on Wii U.

Isn't Yoshi's Story from Melee?

 

[Naoshi]

Isn't Yoshi's Story from Melee?

Actually, it has both songs, the SSB64 song and the Melee song.

 

[Frostwraith]

Actually, it has both songs, the SSB64 song and the Melee song.

Both songs are in, indeed. The N64 version (titled "Yoshi's Story") is on Yoshi's Island (Melee) and the Melee version (titled "Yoshi's Story Ver. 2") is on Woolly World.

 

[LordVacation]

Anyone think perhaps there will be unlockable 8-player versions of stages?
Just had that thought now.

 

[Dizzy_Fool]

Even with two returning stages, I assume we'll get another new Zelda stage.

Two new portable stages and one new console stage isn't something I choose to wrap my mind around. For Pokemon, okay. Not Zelda though.

 

[Das Koopa]

Even with two returning stages, I assume we'll get another new Zelda stage.

Two new portable stages and one new console stage isn't something I choose to wrap my mind around. For Pokemon, okay. Not Zelda though.

Given the games were developed alongside each other, it means that three new stages total were made for Zelda, and not to mention they got Eldin and Temple. It gets five stages across both versions and pretty much one for each character.

 

[UberPyro64]

Yoshi's Island N64 isn't deconfirmed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7OjB3UB7TU The song on Yoshi's Island is the Melee version of the song.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Even with two returning stages, I assume we'll get another new Zelda stage.

Two new portable stages and one new console stage isn't something I choose to wrap my mind around. For Pokemon, okay. Not Zelda though.

And no Toon Link stage....... so my guess would be a Wind Waker stage

 

[JaidynReiman]

Even with two returning stages, I assume we'll get another new Zelda stage.

Two new portable stages and one new console stage isn't something I choose to wrap my mind around. For Pokemon, okay. Not Zelda though.

Pokemon actually IS bigger than Zelda, believe it or not. Pokemon has 260 million, Zelda 71-80 million or so: http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_Nintendo_games

This list might be outdated slightly, I added up the numbers on Zelda's page and it was around 80 million. But regardless, Pokemon is way, way bigger than Zelda.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Pokemon actually IS bigger than Zelda, believe it or not. Pokemon has 260 million, Zelda 71-80 million or so: http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_Nintendo_games

This list might be outdated slightly, I added up the numbers on Zelda's page and it was around 80 million. But regardless, Pokemon is way, way bigger than Zelda.

Could you please tell me exactly how is that relevant?

 

[JaidynReiman]

Could you please tell me exactly how is that relevant?

Because Pokemon and Zelda have the same representation, except Pokemon only has one returning stage. I find it hard to believe that Zelda would get an additional new stage that Pokemon does not. Its not just Pokemon having the same new stages as Zelda, but one less RETURNING stage than Zelda.


I think people are overblowing this notion that Zelda "needs" a WW stage.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Because Pokemon and Zelda have the same representation, except Pokemon only has one returning stage. I find it hard to believe that Zelda would get an additional new stage that Pokemon does not. Its not just Pokemon having the same new stages as Zelda, but one less RETURNING stage than Zelda.


I think people are overblowing this notion that Zelda "needs" a WW stage.

 

[JaidynReiman]

So...?

Zelda, Sheik, and Ganondorf have never had their own stages. Skyward Sword isn't exactly a toon game, but its got a very similar cel-shaded graphical style. Just because Toon Link is in the game doesn't mean there HAS to be a mysterious WW Zelda stage hiding out somewhere in the game.

 

[LordVacation]

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

So...?

Zelda, Sheik, and Ganondorf have never had their own stages. Skyward Sword isn't exactly a toon game, but its got a very similar cel-shaded graphical style. Just because Toon Link is in the game doesn't mean there HAS to be a mysterious WW Zelda stage hiding out somewhere in the game.

Ganondorf: Gerudo Valley on the 3DS is considered his stage because he is the Gerudo King
Also, by your logic, that means Toon Link need Pirate Ship or Spirit Tracks.... Come on, I think it wouldn't make sense not to give Toon Link his own stage, because no, Skyloft doesn't count

 

[JaidynReiman]

That's basically my point. I think he's trying to argue that because of Wind Waker HD they automatically have to add a WW stage for it, but Spirit Tracks actually is a new game that represents Toon Link.

Ganondorf: Gerudo Valley on the 3DS is considered his stage because he is the Gerudo King
Also, by your logic, that means Toon Link need Pirate Ship or Spirit Tracks.... Come on, I think it wouldn't make sense not to give Toon Link his own stage, because no, Skyloft doesn't count

Ah, right, forgot about Gerudo Valley. My bad. Then explain Zelda and Sheik's lack of a stage. No, Hyrule Temple is just a general Zelda stage, same with Bridge of Eldin. They apply more to Link himself than anything.


Regardless of whether we want to believe it or not, these two games' stage rosters are being weighed against each other. We have to take BOTH games into account. Toon Link already has a stage. Spirit Train. By YOUR logic, we should get Ganon's Tower because Ganondorf "must" have a stage on Wii U because he got one on 3DS.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

That's basically my point. I think he's trying to argue that because of Wind Waker HD they automatically have to add a WW stage for it, but Spirit Tracks actually is a new game that represents Toon Link.

3DS's stage roster mainly consist of stages from protable games (excluding past stages), and home console games for the Wii U (excluding past stages), so Spirit Tracks couldn't be on the Wii U. Besides, the stage's track is already on Temple

Ah, right, forgot about Gerudo Valley. My bad. Then explain Zelda and Sheik's lack of a stage. No, Hyrule Temple is just a general Zelda stage, same with Bridge of Eldin. They apply more to Link himself than anything.


Regardless of whether we want to believe it or not, these two games' stage rosters are being weighed against each other. We have to take BOTH games into account. Toon Link already has a stage. Spirit Train. By YOUR logic, we should get Ganon's Tower because Ganondorf "must" have a stage on Wii U because he got one on 3DS.

Any Ocarina of Time stage could also apply to Sheik since it is the only canon game where Sheik appeared, so Gerudo Valley....
Young Link from Melee had Great Bay...
Since Zelda, Ganondorf and the Bridge of Eldin stage are taken from Twilight Princess, we can assume it is the stage for either or both of them (and before you say anything about Link, he actually is a combination of OoT, TP and SS now)

Man, it's good to be right! ^_^

 

[JaidynReiman]

3DS's stage roster mainly consist of stages from protable games (excluding past stages), and home console games for the Wii U (excluding past stages), so Spirit Tracks couldn't be on the Wii U. Besides, the stage's track is already on Temple


Any Ocarina of Time stage could also apply to Sheik since it is the only canon game where Sheik appeared, so Gerudo Valley....
Young Link from Melee had Great Bay...
Since Zelda, Ganondorf and the Bridge of Eldin stage are taken from Twilight Princess, we can assume it is the stage for either or both of them (and before you say anything about Link, he actually is a combination of OoT, TP and SS now)

Man, it's good to be right! ^_^

But, Bridge of Eldin is not specifically associated with Zelda or Ganondorf, and Gerudo Valley definitely is not associated with Sheik in any way. Besides, again, by that logic, we need an OOT stage in Smash Wii U. And how can you say you're "right" unless we get a Wind Waker stage in the game?

Also, I never once SAID we were getting Spirit Train. The fact is, Spirit Train represents Toon Link in Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS. As much as we don't want to believe it, the game's stages ARE reliant on each other. Spirit Train is Toon Link's new stage. That does NOT mean we're getting a "Toon" stage on Smash Wii U.


I don't think we're getting any other Zelda stages right now. We MIGHT get another Zelda stage with DLC. But unless there's a whole row of stages we don't know about its likely not happening at this point.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

But, Bridge of Eldin is not specifically associated with Zelda or Ganondorf, and Gerudo Valley definitely is not associated with Sheik in any way. Besides, again, by that logic, we need an OOT stage in Smash Wii U. And how can you say you're "right" unless we get a Wind Waker stage in the game?

Also, I never once SAID we were getting Spirit Train. The fact is, Spirit Train represents Toon Link in Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS. As much as we don't want to believe it, the game's stages ARE reliant on each other. Spirit Train is Toon Link's new stage. That does NOT mean we're getting a "Toon" stage on Smash Wii U.


I don't think we're getting any other Zelda stages right now. We MIGHT get another Zelda stage with DLC. But unless there's a whole row of stages we don't know about its likely not happening at this point.

We'll just have to see what happens then...

BTW, I said that I guessed that if there was another Zelda stage, it would be from WW. It's a guess, not a prediction. (There's a difference, y'know) So why are we fighting?