SSB4 Rumours and Leaks

[TheAnvil]

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those forbidden seven.......some like Dixie could have been added while others like pluse and minun could have been a idea first that was started but then sakurai could decided to have poke trainer instead .....

we will not know for a long time exactly how these were planned.........but to think it would have been brawl plus the extra 7 is naïve.

The only reason the characters were cut was due to time constraints (I believe that this was officially confirmed by Sakurai but I could be wrong there). It makes no sense that he would cut characters due to time constraints and then suddenly decide to put others in.

 

[Mode]

You are completely wrong.

Brawl had 6 pokemon reps, and had 2 more planned. So out of the 46 character roster that was planned for Brawl, 8 of them were to be pokemon reps. We're probably getting around 50 this time, and the 6 Brawl reps + Greninja and Mewtwo is pretty much the perfect pokemon representation right now. The fact that Greninja plays nothing like Squirtle and that they weren't shown as pokeballs indicates more strongly that they're returning. And the fact that Charizard was revealed first doesn't mean anything really, Zelda and Samus were revealed months and months before Sheik and ZSS. And with 4 starting pokemon already, I'm pretty sure that Jigglypuff and the rest would all be unlockables -- Therefore not announced until after release.

Mario had 4 reps on Brawl (in Sakurai's scale of representation at least), and 5 planned. So the original plan was for Pokemon to have 3 more playable characters than Mario.

People need to accept that Pokemon has a huge cast of extremely versitile and unique characters, add that to the fact they're one of Nintendo's most profitable franchises and it's clear to see exactly why Pokemon gets the most amount of playable representation.

Being unlockable doesn't affect characters being revealed. Luigi is always unlockable and he's already been shown

 

[jweb22]

That Mario theory is just that, a theory. Sakurai considered Brawl having 6 pokemon representatives, not 4. He said so in an interview where he clearly stated there were 39 characters in Brawl, which means he considers each pokemon separate. Plus Mewtwo was already being developed so that would have made 7. While I doubt we might get 8 pokemon slots, 6 is something I expect to have. I am just afraid the 6th might not be Mewtwo. (since 5th is obviously Jiggz.

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That Mario theory is just that, a theory. Sakurai considered Brawl having 6 pokemon representatives, not 4. He said so in an interview where he clearly stated there were 39 characters in Brawl, which means he considers each pokemon separate. Plus Mewtwo was already being developed so that would have made 7. While I doubt we might get 8 pokemon slots, 6 is something I expect to have. I am just afraid the 6th might not be Mewtwo. (since 5th is obviously Jiggz.

First off, it's not theory it's FACT. Smash 64: Mario - 2 slots, Pokemon - 2 slots; Melee: Mario - 5 slots, Pokemon - 4 slots; Brawl: Mario - 4 slots, Pokemon - 4 slots. Nothing will EVER have more character SLOTS than Mario, PERIOD.

Second off, you aren't paying attention to what I said. I never said "representation" I said "SLOTS." Of course Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard represent different characters because they have different moves programmed forms HOWEVER they are all extensions of each other making them represent one single character the Pokemon Trainer. Which was why they were all in one SLOT.

Now there are no more transformations so they can't be in one slot anymore and common sense tells us that they won't be back as Sakurai said some characters won't return as will can all see that Squirtle and Ivysaur won't be back. As I showed you, no franchise will ever have more slots than Mario so unless there is a 6th Mario character, Pokemon will only have 5 characters in this game.

Also, I'm tired of seeing this crap about how Mewtwo was planned to be in Brawl so that would have been 7 characters blah blah blah. Well guess what he didn't get in and I know you're probably gonna say the devs didn't have enough time as if Brawl wasn't delayed 3 times before it came out. Things go on behind the scenes people, things we DON'T hear about! I guarantee Nintendo didn't want the appearance of a franchise being represented more than Mario which is most likely the reason for Mewtwo not getting in Brawl. Once again, "appearance" meaning SLOTS. Not 3 programmed characters fused into one all under one name which is Pokemon Trainer.

There I spoke my piece, I have nothing else to say on this topic of "how many Pokemon characters."

 

[Wolfie557]

The only reason the characters were cut was due to time constraints (I believe that this was officially confirmed by Sakurai but I could be wrong there). It makes no sense that he would cut characters due to time constraints and then suddenly decide to put others in.

I think he meant cut for mewtwo and the rest from melee that didn't end up in brawl..........or at least most of those.

 

[MewtwoX825]

Assuming luigi, rosalina and lucario are all unlockable i cant see mario and pokemon having 4/5 characters available from the start. Im fine with mario having only 5 but it still seems suspicious that all the mario reps were revealed this early. Having jigglypuff be the only pokemon revealed after game launch would be dissapointng and we've awlays got 2 additional pokemon characters in each game.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Rosalina, Luigi, and Lucario are on the starting roster.

 

[Wolfie557]

Assuming luigi, rosalina and lucario are all unlockable i cant see mario and pokemon having 4/5 characters available from the start. Im fine with mario having only 5 but it still seems suspicious that all the mario reps were revealed this early. Having jigglypuff be the only pokemon revealed after game launch would be dissapointng and we've awlays got 2 additional pokemon characters in each game.

well I actually think lucario will be a starter....along with pikcahu and possibly charizrd. greninja and jiggly as unlockable.

for Mario yeah I agree rosaluma(dammit she was my most wanted lol) and luigi will be the unlockable ones........and probably wario but he technically isn't Mario.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Rosalina, Luigi, and Lucario are on the starting roster.

Why Luigi now?

 

[TheAnvil]

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First off, it's not theory it's FACT. Smash 64: Mario - 2 slots, Pokemon - 2 slots; Melee: Mario - 5 slots, Pokemon - 4 slots; Brawl: Mario - 4 slots, Pokemon - 4 slots. Nothing will EVER have more character SLOTS than Mario, PERIOD.

Second off, you aren't paying attention to what I said. I never said "representation" I said "SLOTS." Of course Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard represent different characters because they have different moves programmed forms HOWEVER they are all extensions of each other making them represent one single character the Pokemon Trainer. Which was why they were all in one SLOT.

Now there are no more transformations so they can't be in one slot anymore and common sense tells us that they won't be back as Sakurai said some characters won't return as will can all see that Squirtle and Ivysaur won't be back. As I showed you, no franchise will ever have more slots than Mario so unless there is a 6th Mario character, Pokemon will only have 5 characters in this game.

Also, I'm tired of seeing this crap about how Mewtwo was planned to be in Brawl so that would have been 7 characters blah blah blah. Well guess what he didn't get in and I know you're probably gonna say the devs didn't have enough time as if Brawl wasn't delayed 3 times before it came out. Things go on behind the scenes people, things we DON'T hear about! I guarantee Nintendo didn't want the appearance of a franchise being represented more than Mario which is most likely the reason for Mewtwo not getting in Brawl. Once again, "appearance" meaning SLOTS. Not 3 programmed characters fused into one all under one name which is Pokemon Trainer.

There I spoke my piece, I have nothing else to say on this topic of "how many Pokemon characters."

Slots are completely irrelevant. Your entire argument is based on an arbitrary assumption.

Being unlockable doesn't affect characters being revealed. Luigi is always unlockable and he's already been shown

They don't usually reveal unlockables before the game releases. Luigi was likely an exception due to the year of Luigi (and 3rd Party's are exceptions too).

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I also want to point out that the exact quote from the direct is "All characters who used to change forms mid match, will no longer change".

 

[FlareHabanero]

Why Luigi now?

Because he was already revealed and there isn't a point of hiding him.

Also don't bring up the third parties, they we're explicitly stated to be unlockable.

 

[Wolfie557]

Rosalina, Luigi, and Lucario are on the starting roster.

no......

 

[Luigi#1]

Being unlockable doesn't affect characters being revealed. Luigi is always unlockable and he's already been shown

Yeah, but for an unlockable to be shown, it has to be a special date, or 3rd party, because they advertise those alot. Luigi was for the year of Luigi in general. [Or a newcomer maybe. No way Rosalina is a starter and Luigi unlockable. And Luigi stays unlockable.]

 

[S_B]

Pretty sure a revamped Ganondorf is probably the only thing you are getting.

He'll have the heart rod, be wearing pink and red robes and his purple magic has been replaced with sparkles.

There's your "Huggindorf" revamp.

 

[Spazzy_D]

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First off, it's not theory it's FACT. Smash 64: Mario - 2 slots, Pokemon - 2 slots; Melee: Mario - 5 slots, Pokemon - 4 slots; Brawl: Mario - 4 slots, Pokemon - 4 slots. Nothing will EVER have more character SLOTS than Mario, PERIOD.

Second off, you aren't paying attention to what I said. I never said "representation" I said "SLOTS." Of course Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard represent different characters because they have different moves programmed forms HOWEVER they are all extensions of each other making them represent one single character the Pokemon Trainer. Which was why they were all in one SLOT.

Now there are no more transformations so they can't be in one slot anymore and common sense tells us that they won't be back as Sakurai said some characters won't return as will can all see that Squirtle and Ivysaur won't be back. As I showed you, no franchise will ever have more slots than Mario so unless there is a 6th Mario character, Pokemon will only have 5 characters in this game.

Also, I'm tired of seeing this crap about how Mewtwo was planned to be in Brawl so that would have been 7 characters blah blah blah. Well guess what he didn't get in and I know you're probably gonna say the devs didn't have enough time as if Brawl wasn't delayed 3 times before it came out. Things go on behind the scenes people, things we DON'T hear about! I guarantee Nintendo didn't want the appearance of a franchise being represented more than Mario which is most likely the reason for Mewtwo not getting in Brawl. Once again, "appearance" meaning SLOTS. Not 3 programmed characters fused into one all under one name which is Pokemon Trainer.

There I spoke my piece, I have nothing else to say on this topic of "how many Pokemon characters."

That's not a fact, it's a pattern. It's not even a solid pattern, because the Mario to Pokemon ratio fluctuates. For future reference, a Fire Emblem character being cut for a newcomer is NOT a pattern, but a one off occurrence.

 

[Arcadenik]

I kinda want Sylveon and Genesect to be the 5th and 6th Pokemon characters for SSB4... 3 Pokemon veterans and 3 Pokemon newcomers...

 

[MewtwoX825]

Either no one is unlockable in this game or Sakurai is only revealing the obvious ones (Luigi, Toon link). A reason a lot of people hated the brawl roster was that a lot of newcomers were revealed from the start leaving no big surprises for unlockable content other than R.O.B.

 

[*The Sensus Crustulum*]

Rosalina, Luigi, and Lucario are on the starting roster.

Is there any proof that say they are?

 

[jweb22]

Slots are completely irrelevant. Your entire argument is based on an arbitrary assumption.

I'll simply say this. I'm gonna keep this as my Avatar for the rest of the year. Once all the characters are revealed PLEASE send me a message telling me how many Pokemon characters there are and how many Mario characters there are. I guarantee you Mario will either have more OR will have the same amount as Pokemon, but Pokemon WILL NOT have more than Mario.

Now if for some insanely odd reason Pokemon has more than Mario then please feel free to bash the hell out of me.

 

[*The Sensus Crustulum*]

I'll simply say this. I'm gonna keep this as my Avatar for the rest of the year. Once all the characters are revealed PLEASE send me a message telling me how many Pokemon characters there are and how many Mario characters there are. I guarantee you Mario will either have more OR will have the same amount as Pokemon, but Pokemon WILL NOT have more than Mario.

Now if for some insanely odd reason Pokemon has more than Mario then please feel free to bash the hell out of me.

It isn't odd. In fact does representation matter? Has Sakurai ever said representation matters to the roster?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Now if for some insanely odd reason Pokemon has more than Mario then please feel free to bash the hell out of me.

Oh hello Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

Also, yes it counts. Slots are a stupid reason to determine playable characters, and going by this asinine logic you play as Pokemon Trainer himself and none of his Pokemon.

 

[Spazzy_D]

He'll have the heart rod, be wearing pink and red robes and his purple magic has been replaced with sparkles.

There's your "Huggindorf" revamp.

His down B will be a Tingle counter, crushing the dreams of dozens.

 

[Wolfie557]

all this nonsense representation talk.............
slots
characters
representation

BIG difference.

 

[Headcrab Jackalope]

I kinda want Sylveon and Genesect to be the 5th and 6th Pokemon characters for SSB4... 3 Pokemon veterans and 3 Pokemon newcomers...

Yes please. A game where Greninja, Genesect, and Sylveon are playable would be amazing.

 

[Wolfie557]

Oh hello Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

Also, yes it counts. Slots are a stupid reason to determine playable characters, and going by this asinine logic you play as Pokemon Trainer himself and none of his Pokemon.

those 3 are characters yes.......but slots are still the same. pokemon trainer is the "mothership" SLOT that allows for 3 sepaaret playable CHARACTERS

 

[FunOne]

Alright, so here are 2 larger screen shots. They were taken from a video hence the bad quality. Enjoy.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Rosalina, Luigi, and Lucario are on the starting roster.

I personally think Marth will be in the starting roster, maybe Toon Link too given all the changes that Link's been given. I dunno... I do strongly believe that at least some of the previously unlockable characters will make the jump this time around.

 

[Arcadenik]

His down B will be a Tingle counter, crushing the dreams of dozens.

His Up+B will be Vaati tornado recovery... and his Side+B will be Ghirahim tongue attack...

 

[peachy!]

Alright, so here are 2 larger screen shots. They were taken from a video hence the bad quality. Enjoy.View attachment 12157

lol just no

 

[Smash G]

I'll simply say this. I'm gonna keep this as my Avatar for the rest of the year. Once all the characters are revealed PLEASE send me a message telling me how many Pokemon characters there are and how many Mario characters there are. I guarantee you Mario will either have more OR will have the same amount as Pokemon, but Pokemon WILL NOT have more than Mario.

Now if for some insanely odd reason Pokemon has more than Mario then please feel free to bash the hell out of me.

That's a useless exercise. You're acting as though you KNOW but like the guy said it's arbitrary. Even if you end up being right it's not because of your logic. It's because of your luck. It can go either way. You're not Sakurai and I doubt you can read his mind.

 

[FunOne]

Here are 2 more shots. Sorry for the quality. They're taken off a screen.

 

[FlareHabanero]

those 3 are characters yes.......but slots are still the same. pokemon trainer is the "mothership" SLOT that allows for 3 sepaaret playable CHARACTERS

Still doesn't change the fact that Pokemon has surpassed the Mario series with characters.

Slots don't actually mean anything. You're not playing a Pokemon Trainer, you're playing as his three Pokemon.

Throw in Pikachu, Jigglypuff, and Lucario, and you have a total of 6 playable characters.

It should be simple logic here.

(WHY THE **** AM I EXPLAINING THIS KINDERGARTEN CRAP!?)

 

[warionumbah2]

Alright, so here are 2 larger screen shots. They were taken from a video hence the bad quality. Enjoy.View attachment 12157

great we have yet another 3rd party fodder not really thanks for posting.

 

[Smash G]

Those are clearly fake because pixels.

 

[Flarame]

I gotta agree with the frog there. If the slot would've been called '' Kanto Starters '' without Pkmn Trainer, this would've still be the same. It's 3 distinct characters with a switch mechanic, just like Zelda having Link, T-Link, Zelda, Sheik & Ganon. ( Or Metroid Samus & ZSS, you see the point. )

 

[Mysteltainn]

Oh hello Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

Also, yes it counts. Slots are a stupid reason to determine playable characters, and going by this asinine logic you play as Pokemon Trainer himself and none of his Pokemon.

Was just about to write this ^^, but yep, Xenoblaze is right. Sakurai counts all of them, and has stated this numerous times.

 

[warionumbah2]

Those are clearly fake because pixels.

no its real.

 

[Arcadenik]

FunOne, these better be real.

 

[Sponge]

It's funny that someone's trying to pass off Pac-Man renders behind old Smash screenshots as a leak.

 

[HipsandChips]

How do you mistake one picture for being two pictures on two separate posts?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

It isn't odd. In fact does representation matter? Has Sakurai ever said representation matters to the roster?

It clearly doesn't matter when Star Fox should really only have Fox at the rate of how dead that series is. Star Fox has so many reps out of Sakurai's love and potentially the ''FOX ONLY. NO ITEMS. FINAL DESTINATION." crap.