SSB4 Rumours and Leaks

[Niko Mar]

And anyone who claims the roster isn't decided by this point is totally full of it. The potential list of characters to be used in the roster is decided WELL in advance. The final number may differ based on time constraints, but I don't think that's an issue this time around.

Lol these are my thoughts exactly. Whenever someone brings up a "new leak" and is like "they're thinking about this character, but it isn't concrete" I just...... Seriously?

 

[Kon]

Another f**king friend at Namco Bandai had this to leak to a GameFAQs user.

Ok, so I'm good friends with a developer from Namco Bandai who's working on Smash Bros 4 right now. A couple days ago I asked him about SSB4. He was surprisingly open about the game and told me a huge amount of stuff. I don't like all of it, and I have no proof that all of it, or even any of it is true, but I felt obligated to share. CHARACTERS -The Little Mac, Mii, & Pac-Man rumor is true. They were planned to be revealed at E3 2013 along with WFT, Villager, and Mega Man, but after the leak they were taken out of the presentation -The current plan is for them to be revealed at E3 2014 -Mii will not have a customizable moveset. However, you will be able to load your Miis into the game and play as them -Dixie Kong is in, not a clone -Paper Mario is in -Mewtwo returns w. Melee moveset -Ridley is in. He's the biggest character in the game and can float like Peach -Krystal is in -Shulk is in -Isaac is in -Takamaru is in with a new design(I don't have any proof of this, but I assume it's a situation similar to Pit in Brawl, and Nazo no Murasame-jo will get a revival soon). -KI has 3 reps -Chibi-Robo is in the roster, but is very low-priority. Work on him hasn't even started yet, so there's a possibility he'll be cut -Toon Zelda/Tetra is in the same situation as Chibi-Robo -No cuts from Brawl -There are currently 4 3rd-parties in the game but more are being discussed -Prof.Layton has been discussed a lot, but isn't planned right now due to not being iconic like the other 3rd-parties -Geno was not planned for Brawl, but was discussed in the early stages of SSB4 -A character from Bravely Default was under consideration, but is unlikely -The Slime from Dragon Quest is probably going to be the next 3rd-party added, if they add one -SEGA, Namco & Konami have contacted Nintendo about more of their characters in SSB4 -The roster isn't as finalized as people assume it is, but will most likely have 'about 60 characters' -Villager has a female alternate costume -HFT is an alt -Dr. Mario is a Mario alt -Dr. Luigi is a Luigi alt -No new Pikmin reps -No new Mother reps, but Ninten was discussed early on -Roy will not be in -Sukapon will not be in -Harry from Teleroboxer was never even considered. He's 'not sure Nintendo even remembers he exists' -Daisy is not in because there are more important Mario reps -Neither Impa nor Tingle is in, but there will be a new Zelda rep -DK gets a new FS with Rambi -Falcondorf returns ASSIST TROPHIES -Lucina is an AT -Cranky is an AT -Tingle is still an AT -Saki is still an AT -Mr. Resetti is still an AT -Magnus is an AT STAGES -The Boxing Ring is a Punch-Out stage. Doc Louis appears in the background -The Lor Starcutter on WiiU -The Pokemon World Tournament on 3DS -Thorntail Hollow on WiiU -Macbeth on 3DS -Yoshi's New Island on 3DS, and a Yarn Yoshi stage on WiiU -Murasame Castle on WiiU -Gaur Plains on Wii U and Central Factory on 3DS -Tropical Freeze on WiiU & a DKCR stage on 3DS -Hyrule Castle/Lorule Castle is a stage on 3DS -Fire Emblem stage on WiiU, will be a specific area(unlike Castle Siege). However, what area has not been decided yet -Stage builder is better OTHER -Focuses more on vs. mode -DLC is under consideration, but no plans have been made -Adventure Mode works like Melee's, but with branching paths -Medusa is a boss in adventure mode -King K. Rool is a boss in adventure mode. You fight him multiple times in DK's part of adventure mode, with each of his different personas. -The game will probably release late fall 2014, but there is still a lot of work to do, so it might be pushed to winter. -Namco and Sakurai are fighting internal battles over the balancing, where Namco wants to do the balancing and take ideas from Project M for movesets, but Sakurai wants to balance the game alone

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

It's bull****ty to me because it's a "best hits" compilation of features from other leaks, and Sakurai is past the character selection process of the game.

Green shows, what I think is pretty likely while yellow is what I wouldn't believe right away until Sakurai shows us something clearly confirming these points and red is what I consider false.

About false points:
- There is no way Kid Icarus will get 3 spots. The series counts 3 games at best so there is absolutely no need for 3 characters. KI will get 2 in order to make clear the KI franchise is back and that's it.
- About 60 characters? There's no way the roster will have 60 characters. If we were lucky, we would get 50, but 60? No way.
- new FS with Rambi for DK? I highly doubt this one.
- I also consider Paper Mario and the Slime from Dragon Quest not to be in, but that's just me.

About Focuses more on vs.mode:
I don't think so. We will have the 3DS version which will have a lot of singleplayer things I'm pretty sure(while still having some multiplayermodes of course)
The WiiU version may be more multiplayer-orientated, but I guess the WiiU version will just be both, a good singleplayer experience as well as a good multiplayer experience. Good in this context means more like there will be enough modes for both, single- and multiplayer.

About SEGA, Namco & Konami have contacted Nintendo about more of their characters in SSB4:
I can imagine this to be true, but I'm pretty sure Sakurai won't put more than 1 character per 3rd party developer in the game.

 

[BluePikmin11]

lol Harry.
It was a nice mention in the leak, can't agree with the leak overall though.

 

[Arcadenik]

Thinking this over, that would mean a jump of 21 newcomers from Brawl. Seems legit.

I legitimately want 21 newcomers! Way better than a measly 8-10 newcomers.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Honestly speaking, 15 newcomers in total, 3 of the semi-clones, seems more believable.

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

Green shows, what I think is pretty likely while yellow is what I wouldn't believe right away until Sakurai shows us something clearly confirming these points and red is what I consider false.

About false points:
- There is no way Kid Icarus will get 3 spots. The series counts 3 games at best so there is absolutely no need for 3 characters. KI will get 2 in order to make clear the KI franchise is back and that's it.
- About 60 characters? There's no way the roster will have 60 characters. If we were lucky, we would get 50, but 60? No way.
- new FS with Rambi for DK? I highly doubt this one.
- I also consider Paper Mario and the Slime from Dragon Quest not to be in, but that's just me.

About Focuses more on vs.mode:
I don't think so. We will have the 3DS version which will have a lot of singleplayer things I'm pretty sure(while still having some multiplayermodes of course)
The WiiU version may be more multiplayer-orientated, but I guess the WiiU version will just be both, a good singleplayer experience as well as a good multiplayer experience. Good in this context means more like there will be enough modes for both, single- and multiplayer.

About SEGA, Namco & Konami have contacted Nintendo about more of their characters in SSB4:
I can imagine this to be true, but I'm pretty sure Sakurai won't put more than 1 character per 3rd party developer in the game.

You think considering Geno and Layton is true, but you're not sure about Mii being in or Male Wii Fit Trainer being an alt? Talk about wishful thinking.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Also where did the "not being iconic as the current third parties" bullcrap come from?
I hate the fact people are turning Layton down just because he's not iconic.

 

[BKupa666]

Also where did the "not being iconic as the current third parties" bullcrap come from?
I hate the fact people are turning Layton down just because he's not iconic.

They're just following Sakurai's lead, you know.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Not all third parties added have to be long-running as Sonic or Megaman in order to be in though.
Now were kinda getting off-topic, I'll just let people have their opinions on the leak.

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

Also where did the "not being iconic as the current third parties" bullcrap come from?
I hate the fact people are turning Layton down just because he's not iconic.

They're not going to go out of their way to include 3rd party characters that haven't had a giant impact on video gaming history. This is supposed to be a battle royale of Nintendo's well-adored characters and a few iconic guests, not Final Fantasy Vs. Capcom Feat. Mario and Friends.

 

[PadWarrior]

Also where did the "not being iconic as the current third parties" bullcrap come from?
I hate the fact people are turning Layton down just because he's not iconic.

I've been gaming since the 80s and even I have no idea who Layton is.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Well certainly Layton has had a big recent impact to Nintendo and the videogame industry.
It's been around for 7 years, shouldn't that be enough for Layton to get in?

 

[BKupa666]

Not all third parties added have to be long-running as Sonic or Megaman in order to be in though.
Now were kinda getting off-topic, I'll just let people have their opinions on the leak.

Unless their developer is best buddies with Sakurai, yes, they do.

I've already commented on why I believe that leak to be full of it.

 

[No Control]

Another f**king friend at Namco Bandai had this to leak to a GameFAQs user.

Ok, so I'm good friends with a developer from Namco Bandai who's working on Smash Bros 4 right now. A couple days ago I asked him about SSB4. He was surprisingly open about the game and told me a huge amount of stuff. I don't like all of it, and I have no proof that all of it, or even any of it is true, but I felt obligated to share. CHARACTERS -The Little Mac, Mii, & Pac-Man rumor is true. They were planned to be revealed at E3 2013 along with WFT, Villager, and Mega Man, but after the leak they were taken out of the presentation -The current plan is for them to be revealed at E3 2014 -Mii will not have a customizable moveset. However, you will be able to load your Miis into the game and play as them -Dixie Kong is in, not a clone -Paper Mario is in -Mewtwo returns w. Melee moveset -Ridley is in. He's the biggest character in the game and can float like Peach -Krystal is in -Shulk is in -Isaac is in -Takamaru is in with a new design(I don't have any proof of this, but I assume it's a situation similar to Pit in Brawl, and Nazo no Murasame-jo will get a revival soon). -KI has 3 reps -Chibi-Robo is in the roster, but is very low-priority. Work on him hasn't even started yet, so there's a possibility he'll be cut -Toon Zelda/Tetra is in the same situation as Chibi-Robo -No cuts from Brawl -There are currently 4 3rd-parties in the game but more are being discussed -Prof.Layton has been discussed a lot, but isn't planned right now due to not being iconic like the other 3rd-parties -Geno was not planned for Brawl, but was discussed in the early stages of SSB4 -A character from Bravely Default was under consideration, but is unlikely -The Slime from Dragon Quest is probably going to be the next 3rd-party added, if they add one -SEGA, Namco & Konami have contacted Nintendo about more of their characters in SSB4 -The roster isn't as finalized as people assume it is, but will most likely have 'about 60 characters' -Villager has a female alternate costume -HFT is an alt -Dr. Mario is a Mario alt -Dr. Luigi is a Luigi alt -No new Pikmin reps -No new Mother reps, but Ninten was discussed early on -Roy will not be in -Sukapon will not be in -Harry from Teleroboxer was never even considered. He's 'not sure Nintendo even remembers he exists' -Daisy is not in because there are more important Mario reps -Neither Impa nor Tingle is in, but there will be a new Zelda rep -DK gets a new FS with Rambi -Falcondorf returns ASSIST TROPHIES -Lucina is an AT -Cranky is an AT -Tingle is still an AT -Saki is still an AT -Mr. Resetti is still an AT -Magnus is an AT STAGES -The Boxing Ring is a Punch-Out stage. Doc Louis appears in the background -The Lor Starcutter on WiiU -The Pokemon World Tournament on 3DS -Thorntail Hollow on WiiU -Macbeth on 3DS -Yoshi's New Island on 3DS, and a Yarn Yoshi stage on WiiU -Murasame Castle on WiiU -Gaur Plains on Wii U and Central Factory on 3DS -Tropical Freeze on WiiU & a DKCR stage on 3DS -Hyrule Castle/Lorule Castle is a stage on 3DS -Fire Emblem stage on WiiU, will be a specific area(unlike Castle Siege). However, what area has not been decided yet -Stage builder is better OTHER -Focuses more on vs. mode -DLC is under consideration, but no plans have been made -Adventure Mode works like Melee's, but with branching paths -Medusa is a boss in adventure mode -King K. Rool is a boss in adventure mode. You fight him multiple times in DK's part of adventure mode, with each of his different personas. -The game will probably release late fall 2014, but there is still a lot of work to do, so it might be pushed to winter. -Namco and Sakurai are fighting internal battles over the balancing, where Namco wants to do the balancing and take ideas from Project M for movesets, but Sakurai wants to balance the game alone

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

It's bull****ty to me because it's a "best hits" compilation of features from other leaks, and Sakurai is past the character selection process of the game.

There is one reason why this is100% definitely fake...

"-The Little Mac, Mii, & Pac-Man rumor is true. They were planned to be revealed at E3 2013 along with WFT, Villager, and Mega Man, but after the leak they were taken out of the presentation"

The "leak" in question was a single isolated post on NeoGAF. There is no way Nintendo trawled through a thread of people making predictions looking for a correct one, and then changed their whole Smash presentation at very short notice because of it. The "leak" was only discovered/paid attention to after E3, not before.

 

[The Drilling Juggernaut]

When will people learn that Layton pretty much makes their rumor false from the start?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Nah, ideas taken from Project M is what makes this leak more false.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

psh only 60 characters?

There's going to be 160

 

[Ascended]

Melee had 14 newcomers.
Brawl had 18 newcomers.
I don't think it's unreasonable/unrealistic to expect a similar amount of newcomers this time. (For a while I've been thinking that 16 is the sweet spot.)

 

[Wario Bros.]

Guys, look what finally came in the mail today:

And all it cost me was $14.99 (plus $4.99 P+H) and 4 Froot Loops boxtops. Now I am a legit Super Smash Bros. leaker just like the people of GameFAQs.

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

Another f**king friend at Namco Bandai had this to leak to a GameFAQs user.

CHARACTERS -The Slime from Dragon Quest is probably going to be the next 3rd-party added, if they add one

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

As much as I would love this to be true this is basically a nail in the coffin for any leak. (you know, in case it wasn't obvious all of these are fake to begin with)

-Namco and Sakurai are fighting internal battles over the balancing, where Namco wants to do the balancing and take ideas from Project M for movesets, but Sakurai wants to balance the game alone

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

I can see this being true because Sakurai

 

[Cap'nChreest]

Has any leak ever been 100% true? I mean things like this are usually kept pretty secret. I don't see how they could take anything from Project M since That is made for mainly competitive players and SSB4 is going for casual and competitive crowds. SSB4 isn't going to rip things from Melee and PM. SSB4 is going to have its own mechanics like all the others do. Thats why each game has a good amount of replay-ability. They are all so different.

 

[Mr. Mumbles]

So they rushed to cut Little Mac, Pacman, and Mii from the presentation because they were leaked, but then just say **** it a year later and reveal them then instead? What was the point of not revealing them at E3 2013? Presumably the only point to alter that decision due to having the characters revealed a few hours too soon, would be that those characters wouldn't make the final cut anymore, but clearly they are if they are in the 2014 presentation.

There are a ton of things wrong with this leak that make it false, but everyone else pointed out the other flaws. Seriously, did the leaker even try with this one? And what's with so many people claiming K. Rool will be a boss? Is this all one guy with multiple throw away gamefaqs accounts or something?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Has any leak ever been 100% true?.

We got a large number of pre brawl leaks being correct. One guy even stated the exact day Sonic would be revealed.

 

[Z25]

Well that rumor is cool but completely fake. Does anyone remember professor Layton told us himself that he is not joining the game:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/07/02/professor-layton-joins-smash-bros

That said some of the other rumors I hope have a shred of truth to them. It seems geno and little mac are in though but we will have to wait and see.

 

[Wario Bros.]

Well that rumor is cool but completely fake. Does anyone remember professor Layton told us himself that he is not joining the game:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/07/02/professor-layton-joins-smash-bros

That said some of the other rumors I hope have a shred of truth to them. It seems geno and little mac are in though but we will have to wait and see.

I remember that. If I recall correctly, Nintendo said they were not involved with that Twitter account. Still a fun read though.

 

[Cap'nChreest]

One guy even stated the exact day Sonic would be revealed.

Well I guess theres no guessing that date right. You would have to know it unless you were really lucky.
I don't see Prof. Layton happening. A lot of this stuff seems like things anyone could guess or make up. I really don't want Miis. We have enough boxing/tennis/golf/balloon/other generic stuff in smash already. But Sakurai is pretty creative with whatever character you give him for the most part.

 

[Z25]

I remember that. If I recall correctly, Nintendo said they were not involved with that Twitter account. Still a fun read though.

Hm, I didn't know that, but even so it's quite a coincidence that megaman was in and the first one showed off. We shall see in due time though. My two biggest hopes for 3rd parties are billy hatcher( who probably won't get in) and geno who has a decent chance of joining.

 

[Vintage Creep]

Hm, I didn't know that, but even so it's quite a coincidence that megaman was in and the first one showed off. We shall see in due time though. My two biggest hopes for 3rd parties are billy hatcher( who probably won't get in) and geno who has a decent chance of joining.

LOL

 

[Curious Villager]

When some people say Layton is impossible but turn around and say that Geno has a "decent chance of joining".

Not that I believe Layton has much of a chance of making it in but still.

 

[shaggypatriot12]

In that Layton article he mentioned megaman also and geno and little mac...megaman has been confirmed...therefore layton, little mac and geno confirmed for ssb4. I iz smart.

 

[Kon]

You think considering Geno and Layton is true, but you're not sure about Mii being in or Male Wii Fit Trainer being an alt? Talk about wishful thinking.

I didn't know that HFT would be the male Fit trainer. Also I want to underline I consider Geno and Layton were discussed, but not implemented.

 

[Z25]

LOL

His chances are better then Layton. Plus there is evidence in brawl suggesting he was going to be playable such as the track beware the forest's mushrooms in it. Also he is somewhat retro.

 

[PikaJew]

Geno has 0% chance of making the playable character status.
He didn't even get playable status in the Mario Sluggers series where they were obviously reaching for characters to include.
They started pulling in obscure DK reps because they ran out.
Paragoomba is higher on the list than Geno.
I'm amazed at how people can't seem to accept that Geno will never be playable in a Smash Bros game.

 

[Vintage Creep]

His chances are better then Layton. Plus there is evidence in brawl suggesting he was going to be playable such as the track beware the forest's mushrooms in it. Also he is somewhat retro.

 

[soviet prince]

the roster really needs a gentleman to show the characters how to fight

 

[ToddCam]

As has been said ad nauseum, even ignoring his supporting role in a game nearly 20 years old is his most prominent role, heis also a third party character. I almost never reject any character as impossible, but here I am stating it. If Geno gets in, I expect Master Chief, Batman, Obama, Jesus, etc.

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

....are you NOT expecting Obama and Jesus?

 

[soviet prince]

Jesus should be a shoe in since if he did not create sakurai there would be no game

 

[Z25]

Geno has 0% chance of making the playable character status.
He didn't even get playable status in the Mario Sluggers series where they were obviously reaching for characters to include.
They started pulling in obscure DK reps because they ran out.
Paragoomba is higher on the list than Geno.

I'm amazed at how people can't seem to accept that Geno will never be playable in a Smash Bros game.

While that is true about slugger( which was still a good game imo) geno isn't completely impossible. The only problem they have is square enix giving them the rights to use him. Which while challenging, it isn't impossible. I mean if Mario hoops 3 on 3 had final fantasy characters playable then I have to say anything is possible. In the end though it's all up to sakurai weather or not he feels geno should be added and if they should try. They do listen to polls though and geno was the 3rd most wanted 3rd party next to snake and sonic for the game. Anyway back to the rumors, I am surprised no one has tried to sell reggie as being playable since the petition is at 50,000 votes and counting, and they did say he would be considered if it made 100,000 signatures. I actually wouldn't mind him since he is the funniest joke( but also serious) character they could add.

 

[Jumpman84]

While that is true about slugger( which was still a good game imo) geno isn't completely impossible. The only problem they have is square enix giving them the rights to use him. Which while challenging, it isn't impossible. I mean if Mario hoops 3 on 3 had final fantasy characters playable then I have to say anything is possible. In the end though it's all up to sakurai weather or not he feels geno should be added and if they should try. They do listen to polls though and geno was the 3rd most wanted 3rd party next to snake and sonic for the game. Anyway back to the rumors, I am surprised no one has tried to sell reggie as being playable since the petition is at 50,000 votes and counting, and they did say he would be considered if it made 100,000 signatures. I actually wouldn't mind him since he is the funniest joke( but also serious) character they could add.

Actually, Snake wasn't even on the poll as he had already been revealed before the poll went up. And the only confirmed results are that Sonic was most wanted and that Mega Man was second most wanted.