SSB4 Rumours and Leaks

[PWN3]

This.

Pretty sure Alfonzo does not have outlines, guys. There are, at the very least, parts of him that are outline free, which would seem to be inconsistent with character outlines, even if they do vary in thickness. It's just shadows at the edges of his clothes, a trick of the lighting. Really, why would he have outlines when we know that conductor Link doesn't?

If you look at this picture, you can see some shadows around the edges of conductor Link as well, particularly his boots and the underside of his gloves. It's just a bit harder to read as shadows on Alfonzo because he's much smaller in his pic, which kills a lot of the details and makes it look like an outline instead.

Basically, a lot of you are freaking over nothing

Looking at it more closely, this could very well be the case. Didn't really consider this at first but makes a lot of sense.

 

[The Light Music Club]

You know the fact that Alfonzo takes Toon Links place means that Mecha Ridley can be the hazard when it's not Ridley. I don't think Ridley is in regardless, just stating a possibility.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

You know the fact that Alfonzo takes Toon Links place means that Mecha Ridley can be the hazard when it's not Ridley. I don't think Ridley is in regardless, just stating a possibility.

Wouldn't even need to be Meta or Mecha Ridley, could just be the Other M Ridley since that's a clone, thus a different entity than the original Ridley who'd then be playable.

I still don't think that they're going to do such with newcomers honestly, if Ridley is revealed as a stage hazard first then he's probably just that. With that said though, I still believe that he's going to be a character.

 

[Arcadenik]

Ridley could be both stage hazard and playable... just like Toad could be both meat shield and playable.

Toad and Ridley now have some hope restored... someone needs to draw a picture of Toad riding on Ridley's back as Ridley flies... and they are looking triumphant.

 

[Frostwraith]

Wouldn't even need to be Meta or Mecha Ridley, could just be the Other M Ridley since that's a clone, thus a different entity than the original Ridley who'd then be playable.

Well, Conductor Link is a different entity than Toon Link (Wind Waker Link) and look what happened. Mecha Ridley is possibly the best choice for a replacement if Ridley happens to be a stage hazard and a playable character at the same time.

Anyway, with this interesting update, it could be stated that Toon Link in Smash may be a composite character based on the Links of the Toon-styled games. Perhaps Toon Link will have a conductor alternate costume? It would make the justification of Alfonzo replacing him on the stage more plausible.

 

[Curious Villager]

Anyway, with this interesting update, it could be stated that Toon Link in Smash may be a composite character based on the Links of the Toon-styled games. Perhaps Toon Link will have a conductor alternate costume? It would make the justification of Alfonzo replacing him on the stage more plausible.

That's what I've been thinking, because there isn't really much of a reason to replace Conductor Link with Alfonzo when Toon Link is in play as they look different enough aesthetically anyway. So maybe Toon Link would be able to wear the conductor outfit as an alternate costume?

 

[Frostwraith]

That's what I've been thinking, because there isn't really much of a reason to replace Conductor Link with Alfonzo when Toon Link is in play as they look different enough aesthetically anyway. So maybe Toon Link would be able to wear the conductor outfit as an alternate costume?

That would make sense. There's really no reason to replace Toon Link on the stage, but it happens anyway. Maybe it's just an easter egg? Or maybe the conductor outfit is an alternate costume? Only time will tell...

(I just realized this is the rumors thread and this is off-topic... -_-)

 

[Curious Villager]

That would make sense. There's really no reason to replace Toon Link on the stage, but it happens anyway. Maybe it's just an easter egg? Or maybe the conductor outfit is an alternate costume? Only time will tell...

(I just realized this is the rumors thread and this is off-topic... -_-)

I guess we will just have to wait and see. I wouldn't mind having the Conductor outfit as an alt though, or the Outset Island clothing.

(oops)

 

[dezeray112]

Anything new lately?

 

[Radical Bones]

Anything new lately?

There was this pic of Palutena... I don't know if you saw the discussion, it was pretty short... like 65 pages or something...

 

[Cap'nChreest]

The "outline" on Alfonzo's head is just a part of the train that goes past his head. I don't see them giving Alfonzo an outline when st link didn't have one.

 

[papagenos]

I'm getting the feeling every character might have an alt costume this time around.

Toon Link has just been linked (lol) with the conductor outfit, we know wii fit trainer almost certainly has the male alt costume, dr. mario has been mentioned in several leaks at least one of them (the king dedede prediction) has some credibility to it.

Alt. costumes is something I thought brawl really dropped the ball with, only wario? come on sakurai thats wasteful of a great idea. This time I expect we may see everyone with an alt.

 

[Curious Villager]

While I wouldn't expect everyone to get an alt. I do hope we get to see more characters with one this time around, yes. I kinda feel that Toon Link is probably likely of having the Conductors outfit as an alt now... Though I would still love to see his Outset Island clothes too.

 

[peachy!]

While I wouldn't expect everyone to get an alt. I do hope we get to see more characters with one this time around, yes. I kinda feel that Toon Link is probably likely of having the Conductors outfit as an alt now... Though I would still love to see his Outset Island clothes too.

I honestly think it is about time that characters get alternative costumes. All players in PlayStation All-Stars had two extra outfits besides their default one, and some even had a third alt.

Now that the team working on Smash Bros. is much bigger and experienced, and there's no SSE, I would be surprised if costumes weren't a thing.

 

[Hinata]

You know, not to continue to drive conversation to the Lady Palutena leak, but looking at the pictures, the second one looks more legitimate to me. I think they're both legit pictures, but the second one just looks more natural to me.

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

Maybe Palutena will get an alternate costume to where her nose isn't painfully huge.

 

[Curious Villager]

I honestly think it is about time that characters get alternative costumes. All players in PlayStation All-Stars had two extra outfits besides their default one, and some even had a third alt.

Now that the team working on Smash Bros. is much bigger and experienced, and there's no SSE, I would be surprised if costumes weren't a thing.

Well yeah the reason I'm saying that I wouldn't expect everyone to have an alternate costume is mostly because there are certain characters who frankly don't really have anything else from their source games to use. Characters such as the Ice Climbers are the ones I'm referring to. (Unless they did have something that I didn't know about...)

But I do agree, I do hope most will have alts though.

 

[Hinata]

Maybe Palutena will get an alternate costume to where her nose isn't painfully huge.

It's possible. Or maybe she'll get ones based on other goddesses.

 

[peachy!]

Well yeah the reason I'm saying that I wouldn't expect everyone to have an alternate costume is mostly because there are certain characters who frankly don't really have anything else from their source games to use. Characters such as the Ice Climbers are the ones I'm referring to. (Unless they did have something that I didn't know about...)

But I do agree, I do hope most will have alts though.

Ah! Good point. That's something I had not thought about. I trust Sakurai, though, and if there's someone who can pull off such thing, it's him.

 

[Hinata]

Another thing to note is both the pictures of the day since this leak have been of the 3DS version. Sakurai is leading us on like a herd of sheep.

 

[SuperMii3D]

Another thing to note is both the pictures of the day since this leak have been of the 3DS version. Sakurai is leading us on like a herd of sheep.

Then Im a rather Sad Sheep, seeing as there is no Nintendo Direct that will confirm or deconfirm this.

 

[dezeray112]

There was this pic of Palutena... I don't know if you saw the discussion, it was pretty short... like 65 pages or something...

Yup, I have. So I take that there is still some ongoing discussion about Palutena's screenshots.

Speaking of this, if anyone has seen this Neogaf thread, they seem to be doing this #TeamReal and #TeamFake on Palutena's screenshots:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=739531&page=277

 

[Snagrio]

I didn't bother reading the last several pages (though from the looks of one of them I didn't miss anything vitally important), but I assume the Palutena leak is still in uncertain status.

In any case it seems we won't hear about it till next week, if even then.

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

It's possible. Or maybe she'll get ones based on other goddesses.

It was a joke.

But I digress, I'm gonna throw in that, after reading scanning ~60 pages of Palutena, I'm gonna go ahead and believe the leak is real. There's no way this was shopped. Even though I'm really kinda upset her honker looks like Waluigi's nose, the rest of her model is next to perfect (for as perfect as 3DS quality can be). AND there's no trace of these poses/models of Mario OR Palutena ANYWHERE. If this were fake, which I'm 99% sure it's not, then this leaker has no life and should probably get a job. Preferably one with Nintendo?

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Off topic but we final got a picture of toon link next to the conductor

Looks like Alfonzo is the new one so we were right the first time toon link. Was going to get deconfirmed at first but sakurai might have changed his mind

 

[Snagrio]

Boy, this thread sure slowed down fast. Then again most are at work I imagine.

 

[Hinata]

Boy, this thread sure slowed down fast. Then again most are at work I imagine.

That, and we've all pretty much come to a consensus about the big Lady Palutena leak, so there's nothing more to say on it.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Boy, this thread sure slowed down fast. Then again most are at work I imagine.

We need more rumors, and not any "safe" ones.

 

[Banjodorf]

Off topic but we final got a picture of toon link next to the conductor

Looks like Alfonzo is the new one so we were right the first time toon link. Was going to get deconfirmed at first but sakurai might have changed his mind

Uhh...I'm sorry can you repeat that I'm a little confused. Are you saying Sakurai wasn't going to add Toon Link but added Alfonzo so there weren't two Toon Link's on the stage?

While its true that Alfonzo was added for continuity's sake, it was all probably premeditated and was always there.

As was playable Toon Link.

 

[Snagrio]

That, and we've all pretty much come to a consensus about the big Lady Palutena leak, so there's nothing more to say on it.

That too.

 

[Hinata]

That too.

Yup. And due to that fact, not many people have a reason to come here anymore. Trust me, if another leak like this happens, it'll be a madhouse in here all over again.

 

[Banjodorf]

That, and we've all pretty much come to a consensus about the big Lady Palutena leak, so there's nothing more to say on it.

Yeah. We're at the point where even THIS is a retread of conversations we've already had.

"It's probably real, but its an awesome fake if it is." is like the mantra right now.

Man, we really need another visual leak so we don't start eating each other out of boredom and anticipation.

 

[Hinata]

Yeah. We're at the point where even THIS is a retread of conversations we've already had.

"It's probably real, but its an awesome fake if it is." is like the mantra right now.

Man, we really need another visual leak so we don't start eating each other out of boredom and anticipation.

It's the sad truth. No matter what you say on it, it's already been said twenty times over, probably.

 

[Muster]

My opinions on it are based on the following:
-The graphics for both games look fairly far away, and have several gigantic glaring issues, especially Smash 3DS.
-Sakurai sounded stressed about the "Planned Release: 2014".
-I doubt the (traditional) single-player modes have been fully fleshed out, because clearly the multiplayer is the focus (and rightfully so).
-Sakurai admitted about 6 months ago to having issues putting in the Ice Climbers and getting them to work.
-The technology is a lot bigger of a jump this time around. From Smash 64 to Melee, the HAL Laboratories crew already knew how to work with disc based media. From Melee to Brawl there wasn't much of a jump at all. This time they got a 3D-centric portable and a true 1080p next gen console, instead of a mere controller update and a bit better specs than the previous console.
-There's more characters than ever before.
-Brawl had tons of balancing issues, and the development team wants to iron those out. That's been a huge focus of development this time around. They don't want another Meta Knight (although is Diddy teams with Dixie, they will have another Meta Knight, although not as dreadful to fight against).
.

-Yeah, the 3ds version definitely looks behind, graphics wise. I heard that it looks better in motion, though.
-I don't think he sounds stressed, but that may just be me. I think Sakurai said he was having more fun with the development this time around, but time does gain aerial properties when you're having fun, so idk.
-We'd really have to see the single player's current state to know.
-I thought Rosalina's appearance was a wordless confirmation that the issues have been solved.
-While i also think there's a big jump from the wii to the wii u and 3ds, Lots of teams have pulled it off quickly without much of a hitch. (Nsmb u and 2 play pretty much like the wii version, for example.) And namco has some experience with wii u and 3ds games.
-Weren't most characters in brawl already done pretty early in development? They would've had to be if the SSE would be made around them in time, i reckon.
-Balancing is a legit issue, i wonder if Sakurai will even acknowledge balance patches.

That's just my opinion on the matter. Isn't mean tto sway anyone else's really.

 

[Snagrio]

NEW POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT:
I heard this from NL and figured it was worth bringing up. If you look closely, Alfonzo, an NPC, appears to have the same outline as playable characters. I might be seeing things and it's just the lighting though. So what do you think?

 

[Hinata]

NEW POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT:
I heard this from NL and figured it was worth bringing up. If you look closely, Alfonzo, an NPC, appears to have the same outline as playable characters. I might be seeing things and it's just the lighting though. So what do you think?

I took a close look at it. It looks to be just lighting. In fact, I think that's what most people saying.

Dang, even since this leak, outlines on the 3DS version are a huge thing.

 

[DraginHikari]

The Toon style zelda characters already have a pretty definite outline as it is because of the art style their rendered in, it's just the way the character is positioned and how the lighting impacts the model.

 

[Snagrio]

I took a close look at it. It looks to be just lighting. In fact, I think that's what most people saying.

Dang, even since this leak, outlines on the 3DS version are a huge thing.

Well, it is the one thing that can possibly determine if Palutena is playable or not.

 

[Hinata]

Well, it is the one thing that can possibly determine if Palutena is playable or not.

True. We need to see a 3DS Assist Trophy! That'll be the true deciding factor.

But until then, this is nice evidence towards her being playable.

 

[Miles Pierre]

What's the significance of that NPC having an outline? I don't understand.

edit: oh come on guys, look how low poly that npc is. And im sure most assist trophies will be pretty bad too. Secondly toon link not having an outline throws a wrench into that theory.