NickLeo
Smash Apprentice
Title says it all
What do you guys think sonic's worst/most difficult matchup is at the moment?
What do you guys think sonic's worst/most difficult matchup is at the moment?
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Sonic vs heavy characters is just too easy if I'm honest. Massive targets such as Bowsers and D3 will almost always get hit by Sonic's spins, and the followups are plenty. They're literally too slow to react to Sonic's attacksHow about Bowser vs Sonic? I cant say I have played a lot of high level bowsers, but i can see the matchup going for Sonic. Sure he has his up b oos and his crouchcancel/super armor, but I can see Sonic baiting him to throw our his moves and getting a grab on him pretty easily due to his high mobility, and Bowser lacks a lot of it.
I would kind of Compare the Sonic vs Marth MU and Marth vs Doc Match up they're very similarIMO marth is his worst matchup, a good marth will be able to zone sonic out fairly easily all sonic can do is try to bait attacks from him, sonic cannot rival the range of marth and it's not like marth is particularly easy to combo with sonic
I think you're really stretching the idea of weaving around projectiles. I'll venture to say that Tink is a bit more manageable, but Link's boomerang sets up combos for days. If he hits you with a bomb in his hand, he can rush in and AGT his bomb while you're in hitstun and combo from that to deliver a Fair from a good bit away. This while you're weaving from some arrows, and keeping an eye on the bomb, and trying to keep his big ol' sword from hitting and poking you... There is such little commitment Link has to make against Sonic, and if you try to bait out the nair you could just as easily eat Zair, which also cuts through almost all of your approaches, but with a disjointed range in case you try to bait Link out.I disagree with Link and TL being hard match-ups for Sonic. I'd say they're a lot more even than you're making them out to be. NAir from both stuffs a lot of your approaches, but that just means you have mix up your approach options more. Bait and punish the NAirs and weave around the projectiles. I'd honestly say the match-ups are pretty even.
Sonic cannot go under tranq in flat stages, if sonic uses up b on mines it leaves him vulnerable. Snake nades make it so you cant go through him with down and side b without getting exploded. If thats not enough he has a lot c4 setups that once your tagged, you cannot move freely as you wish. I say the contrary, that it is in Snakes favor. Not imposible though.Any thoughts on Sonic vs Snake? I think this MU is in Sonic's favor because he can fair through his cypher and get rid of mines with spring. He might be able to spin under tranquilizer as well. Snake is also great combo food for him.
Link's Boomerang is also punishable at a certain distance. As Nazo said, just shielding his projectiles whilst approaching helps a lot. I noticed in your set against Lazarond he was essentially doing what you should have been doing. Baiting the approaches and then punishing them. Sonic plays the bait and punish game excellently against a lot of characters. I just requires a little bit of patience. Once you solidify the punish Sonic can combo Link for days. I will agree, however, that Link's NAir is definitely a big issue in the match-up due to it basically stuffing your entire moveset lol.I think you're really stretching the idea of weaving around projectiles. I'll venture to say that Tink is a bit more manageable, but Link's boomerang sets up combos for days. If he hits you with a bomb in his hand, he can rush in and AGT his bomb while you're in hitstun and combo from that to deliver a Fair from a good bit away. This while you're weaving from some arrows, and keeping an eye on the bomb, and trying to keep his big ol' sword from hitting and poking you... There is such little commitment Link has to make against Sonic, and if you try to bait out the nair you could just as easily eat Zair, which also cuts through almost all of your approaches, but with a disjointed range in case you try to bait Link out.
I'll stand by the claim that the Link matchup is nowhere near even, but it is very manageable if the Link doesn't know how to fight Sonic, but this is true of every character.
I don't think dedede was mentioned as being a nuisance, but what makes you think that he's a tough MU?Out of all the characters mentioned, I'd have to say that I agree with Marth, Metaknight & Dedede being the hardest of the bunch.
Mario is definitely not. Sonic would walk all over Mario.MK & Mario is like Sonics worst match up
What makes you believe Sonic does not have problems in the mario match up?Mario is definitely not. Sonic would walk all over Mario.