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I know Mewtwo's shadow ball can stop it, as can pretty much any other projectile since they all have hit stun as far as I'm aware. As for the one that you listed that aren't projectiles that all depends on your timing, and Sonic just stop his spindash short if he wants to. So if you say tried using marth's down tilt Sonic could just stop, or he could just jump and attack from above.
My problem is actually beating out the spin dash. I often try to wait it out and let them come at me, but spin dash just beats everything it seems. For the same reason i struggle with Squirtle lol. Sonic above Mewtwo, Marth or MK is a terribad position for Sonic, and at that, I´m pretty good at juggling and covering escape options.
In that case you need t find someone who mains Sonic so you can get better at fighting him.
Couldn't if I tried. I kinda just know, difference as its second nature to me. I don't think I could explain it very well.
Sonic's side-b is where he does the short distance spin-dash with the bluish flashes and can wave-dash out of it or slide-kick after it. He can also short-hop after the flash or JC-grab for follow ups. Down-b is the long-distance spin-dash where he flashes white before he moves and can skid-stop if the user shields. Down-b is also good for combo-starters and other aerial mix-ups.
No idea how well/bad I'll go.
You make it look so easy lol. I know for me personally it'd be extremely difficult almost impossible since I have a heavy finger, and I can't short hop very well. It is because of this I can't wave dash to save my life, and instead have to moon walk in order to have a similar effect.
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... not to demean your attempt but there's two things wrong with this video.
I know I'm not short hopping, I'm horrible at doing so lol. Also while I am aware there is an apparent lag when using an HD TV, I really don't notice it. Mind you I'm not exactly a high level player or anything, plus I have no access to an old school TV, so I'm SOL in that regard lol.I recently placed 4th in Project M singles in a major national Australian tournament. I feel amazing! :D
Also, @
1. You're not short hopping, you're doing full jumps.
2. While this isn't neccesarily a bad thing about the attempt per say but it appears like you're playing on an HD television and thus there is input lag. You're attempting to do a 2 frame trick with a laggy device.
Please correct me if I'm wrong about the TV. Good attempt though. I Still can't do it lol
Sonics approach options are nair & Down B I sometimes approach with Blast Attack which is a faster version of Homing Attack to do it press a & b at same time and you should see a faster version of it
For Down Throw I think you need to DI to the direction Marth is Facing
If Marth grabs you just simply hold down. You will DI as far from Marth as possible no matter what direction he throws you.
Preciate the advice fellas, definitely will take this into account next time I play a Marth. Curse him and his damn disjointed grab range -_-.
When you side B you will see little more than half the animation then wavedash frame data wise I can't tell you becaus I know 0% Frame Data and so far there's no Sonic guide in General
When you run off the ledge you Side B to the ledge but you hold the B Button
I think Sonic is one of those characters that has seen the most drastic of changes compared to all other characters in terms of move set. In the transition of 2.5 to 2.6 Sonic was changed a lot and, while it was necessary, it made players feel desmotivated that they had put a lot an effort into a character and then suddenly they are given a new one. Personally I kinda like your spring idea, but I would not like another massive move set change if it is not necessary when people have already put a lot of practice into this build.
I have a very love/hate relationship with Sonic. I very much enjoy playing him, but I always ignore half of his moveset when I do. I love his normals and basic movement options, but I think all of his b-moves are ridiculous. I know this character has been jerked around a lot already, but rather than nerf/tweaking him, I wish he would just be redesigned for the next version of the game.
He feels very gimmicky with all of his spin moves, homing attack is just silly, and I hate the way up-b lets Sonic go from the bottom of the stage to the top and back in a second. These options really make him feel out of control, and not in the Captain Falcon way.
Homing attack - just make it Blast Attack and give it an always set trajectory. Put him into special fall unless it connects. Currently, I don't like how the move takes a degree of control out of the player's hands, I don't like how it boosts Sonic's recovery, and I don't like the way it needlessly extends combos.
Side-b/down-b - I don't even know...just make them useless like Melee Yoshi's egg roll. I haven't seen much out of these moves that appeals to me (aside from some side-b momentum stuff), and I really don't think he needs the boost these moves bring to the table. His speed/movement is good enough already. If down-b could put Sonic into a spin burst that worked kind of like a Shine, I think that'd be pretty cool. No reflecting or invincibility or frame 1, but just a close-range pressure move that pops the opponent up/away to some degree.
Up-b - I've made this suggestion before, but I'd like the move to work something like this.
The move could be charged and angled like Diddy's. Tapping would only give him a little bounce, while charging would give him something close to the distance he has now. I really don't like the idea of recovery moves that don't put you into special fall, but if any recovery move makes sense for that, it's the spring.
I don't know. This is how I would like to see Sonic in an ideal PM. In that world, everyone would be about as good as Melee Marth, so I don't know if we'll ever get that. However, the first 3.5 blog post has me hopeful that things are going to be toned down a bit. I'm not really looking for a debate here, I just figured I'd post my thoughts. I'm sure this comes off as a bit Smash/Melee conservative, but that's just how I'd like to see the character, so I don't mean to offend anyone who really likes Sonic as-is.
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Funny how things change after time. Was this before DownB into NAir was found?
