Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[elvenarrow3000]

Little tricksies like what?

 

[exarch]

I saw 89 or 93 for Bowser somewhere... but that person was testing on CPUs or something.

I'm testing with my 14 year old brother, having him mash the jump button. 102 was the earliest he could really get out, with him DIing up and mashing jump.

From about 89-102 I had to wait the smallest bit and grab bowser's leg though.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

=P I'm not sure how much it matters to have accurate numbers as Sheik against Bowser, but mashing the jump button doesn't give you the best timing. Ideally, he could recognize the frame that he was able to do something and jump then.

Have you taken into account airteching or does that not work? I read somewhere that wiggling doesn't reduce hitstun or whatever... maybe it was hitlag.

 

[Teczer0]

Do we really need more advantages over bowser?

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Um, yeah. Show 'em why we're a higher tier than they are.

Seriously, Bowser vs. Sheik is just... discouraging.

 

[Cia]

Um, yeah. Show 'em why we're a higher tier than they are.

Seriously, Bowser vs. Sheik is just... discouraging.

play dj nintendo's bowser w/ sheik. even if you still win, i guarantee that you'll notice that ur play style is dramatically different.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Different like how?

 

[soap]

u wont attack shields and grab more

 

[Cia]

as patient as dj nintendo is, his bowser is so intimidating sometimes.

and i'm pretty sure bowser can escape chain grab at much lower percentages.. like dk

 

[mikeHAZE]

lol, play gimpy.


well, gimpy 3 months ago.

 

[Cia]

lol, play gimpy.


well, gimpy 3 months ago.

..

.. why would i want to play gimpy.. it wouldn't be fair

 

[mikeHAZE]

i dair you too

 

[Cia]

hahahahahahaha.. touche

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I only ever attack shields as Falco, and that's really only to show off. Or reverse aerial Shield Breakers as Marth because they're funny.

I don't see Bowser being too scary either way... Needle Storm grabs would probably work as an approach.

 

[KirbyKaze]

if you wanna be gay to anything in the lower half of the tier list do it like plank does it

camp bair, camp needles, run off platforms into needle grabs, grab whenever you can and spam more needles if he tries to do anything remotely resembling camping. waveland into bair and/or wavedash back and f-tilt whenever they do anything that remotely resembles approaching.

>___>

it's excruciating to watch but it works really, really well.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

You say that like there's a better way to play Sheik =P

Seriously though, if you're playing Sheik, you've already given up all pretense of being creative and trend breaking and non-whorish. You might as well go all the way.

 

[KirbyKaze]

but edge-canceled needles are funny ^___^

/in denial of obvious truths

 

[Brookman]

if you wanna be gay to anything in the lower half of the tier list do it like plank does it

camp bair, camp needles, run off platforms into needle grabs, grab whenever you can and spam more needles if he tries to do anything remotely resembling camping. waveland into bair and/or wavedash back and f-tilt whenever they do anything that remotely resembles approaching.

>___>

it's excruciating to watch but it works really, really well.

hmm...

I'll take that challenge.

 

[soap]

mindless spam can be outspaced, everyone can pivot grab

and i havent played a low tier in tourney in a looong time

and what are these edgecancelled needles? u slide off the edge to cancel the nonexsiting lag that was already canceled by just landing normally

 

[KirbyKaze]

i know the mindless spam can be moved around, but watching plank vs dj nintendo it was just >___>

defensive play (especially centered around outspacing) just wrecks weak characters so hard

and edgecanceled needles aren't practical at all it just looks funny

and thus far i've only been able to do it on stadium's platforms :/

if you want to try it just run under one of stadium's platforms and do the sh needle. if you've done it right you'll land on the platform and the needle will be thrown, you'll needle cancel, and then the momentum will slide you off the platform and let you do something else (fair, another needle, etc).

you can also turn around and fall off them this way, but that's even less useful.

 

[Brookman]

I thougt using needles stopped your momentum entirely..??

 

[KevinM]

Not if you use your needle jutsu

 

[soap]

lol, then do your sexy jutsu and turn into a woman

that actually could be mildly useful if it actually works how u say, u save the split second from having to dash off, or isai drop the platform, and if u can reverse on the fly, thats an instant bair with no needle storing time. sounds tough though

 

[Cia]

i actually wouldn't mind playing someone's sheik with my YL.. it is how you americans say.. "Fun"

and sheik can be creative.. you should see teczero or myself vs Fox / Falco

 

[Teczer0]

i actually wouldn't mind playing someone's sheik with my YL.. it is how you americans say.. "Fun"

and sheik can be creative.. you should see teczero or myself vs Fox / Falco

LOOOOOL

Making spacies cry is fun.

I can't believe eggm says my sheik is gay >_>.

 

[Brookman]

you should see me rub my own ****.

 

[Cia]

uhhh..

LOL

 

[d snyde]

Any good advice on learning shuffling? or how to use the Fair more effectively?

 

[mikeHAZE]

yeah just follow these simple steps!

This is a simple shuffle which you will see performed at the casinos or poker rooms. The reason this shuffle is used is because it is very effective and it is impossible (depending on the dealer) for the players to see exposed cards. The previous shuffles often give other players a chance to glimpse at the bottom card.

The Handling:


Start by lifting off about half the deck with the right thumb.

Move the packet over to the right and hold each packet with the thumbs placed on the inside edge, index fingers lightly on top, and the remaining fingers at the corners of the front edge.

The thumbs now lift up the edges of each packet. This is supported by applying pressure with the index fingers of each hand.


The corner edges of the two packets should be nearly touching as the thumbs now riffle up the edges of each packet The cards should now be shuffled neatly into each other. Push the two packets together.

Square up the pack and repeat the shuffle if necessary. Here is an image of the closed shuffle, see below for more info.

Some more points:

* This shuffle can be done in several ways. It can be done open or closed. What I mean by open or closed is the way you position your hands. I prefer the open style because it is handled in a more open manner. If you look at dealers in a casino or poker room then you'll see that they often use the closed method. This method is sometimes called the dovetail shuffle.

* I'd suggest experimenting and see which method you prefer.

Go to the next card shuffle:

The Strip Shuffle

 

[rhan]

^^^^^

That post

Ultimate mindgame

 

[d snyde]

What moves/ stages are good against a shiek double?

 

[rhan]

What moves/ stages are good against a shiek double?

Do you mean in a "Sheik vs Sheik" match???

If so, Sheik can chain grab another Sheik. And in this kind of match up I would choose....Fountain of Dreams as a counterpick? That's just me. Either way the match up can be pretty even on any stage unless you skill isn't good.

 

[-Marc-]

How are my fellow Sheik players doing? Playing lots of Melee? I'm going to be going to a melee tournament/fest every weekend in October. :o

 

[KirbyKaze]

i'd like to be playing melee but instead i'm doing math.

 

[Teczer0]

i'd like to be playing melee but instead i'm doing math.

I am pretty much doing exactly the same thing >_>.

 

[KirbyKaze]

somewhere this strange little lyrical voice keeps telling me i'm an idiot for skipping all my lectures and waiting for three days before a stupid test to learn everything

edit: teczero how do i become as good as you?

 

[Teczer0]

Ask m2k about everything .

LOL but that was random

I miss melee sheik brawl sheik is like super nerfed and brawl in general just isn't as fun T_T.

EDIT: Anyone still play melee and make vids?

I miss watching sheik matches I wanna record a bunch of friendlies now .

Double edit: The melee sheik boards are so desolate it makes me sad :'(

 

[-Marc-]

I know! Noone made a post in like 4 days for most threads.

I'm going to be getting a capture card pretty soon. I'll be going to Mass Madness and record a ton of Sheik tourny vids/friendlies. Then you guys can critique me. :D

 

[KirbyKaze]

this weekend i'll hopefully have some stuff to upload.

 

[CanISmash]

what percentage do you guys feel more or less safe to dash attack. i dont like it cause ppl i play crouch cancel a lot despite tis awesomeness.

also are there any auto combos on spacies from throws... percentages?
iono maybe up-throw f-tilt f-air or something just looking to expand my knowledge (use to my memory on c.falc auto combos) lol thanks.