Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]

[Mogwai]

simple cost/benefit analysis:

say you think you can regrab 80% of the time on reaction
say on the other hand that you think you can stomp 50% of the time on a combination of reaction and prediction.

constant regrabbing gives like, I dunno, let's say 8% per dthrow (too lazy to look it up).
stomp combos into knee, which, ignoring the fact that it will just kill people a lot of the time, does like, I dunno, let's say 32%.

so like, you'd need to hit 4 consecutive grabs to be equivalent to a stomp (hypothetical, but w/e, I think it's pretty close to reality).

chance of hitting 4 re-grabs in a row = .8 * .8 * .8 * .8 = ~41%
chance of hitting a stomp = .5 = 50%

so like, stomping's better with these made up numbers, but I'm sure if you were to extend it to a more advanced model, you'd see an even bigger disparity between stomping and re-grabbing all the time.

 

[GOTM]

scar whats working 80 hours a week like?

 

[TheManaLord]

making so much more money working that much than playing smash bros thats what its like LOL

 

[Animal]

after they land, dash away from attack dash back in for grab.

 

[Mogwai]

I make more money working 40-50 hours a week than Scar does working 80 hours a week.

BY A LOT!

Get at me!

/MangoHeadBob

 

[GOD!]

I wouldn't say regrab chance is 80%.. I played falcon in like one match and dthrow >regrabbed another falcon 3x in a row without knowing what I was doing. But you guys should know more than me so... alright. And it would only be up until about 70% where you can uthrow knee, right? So if you grab at 30-40, you only need a few more before you can uthrow for the kill.

And I thought isai mained fox now.

 

[BigD!!!]

you cant uthrow knee away DI until like 130% or something really really dumb

isai doesnt main anybody and hasnt for several years, including the last year or so that he played as far as i could tell

regrabbing if they tech to either side is really easy, but regrabbing tech in place is really hard and regrabbing a missed tech is impossible. predicting a tech near the edge and kneeing it is a stock, pretty much regardless of %. thats tough to pass up, especially with all the teching in place near the ledge going on these days

 

[GOD!]

alright thanks, it's nice to know the match up from the falcon's perspective.
But seriously guys, please pick up some secondaries.

 

[Fade2Nothing]

any1 have tips on falcon dittos?
also any tips on tech chasing?

 

[Nakamaru]

learn to fox trot, and pay very close attention to people's teching habits. Like where they like to tech. Away, towards, in place, and also how they react after you've figured out a tech pattern.

 

[TemPesT-]

help plz.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=269628

kthx

QFT

wut a great post.

 

[Deleted member]

any1 have tips on falcon dittos?
also any tips on tech chasing?

falcon dittos you can almost tech chase on reaction you just need to figure out how to make it work best for you

 

[Animal]

SS, Darkrain, Scar, and Hax are all notoriously bad with non-Falcon characters.

hax's falco is kind of rapeee

 

[Roneblaster]

lol its funny people talkin about the upthrow chaingrab cause i just watched a match where KDJ CG'ed upthrows with falcon in dittoes on some guy.

also, tempest, i didnt watch alot, but it looks like you know everything you need to know, just need to keep playing more and more people.

Oh and get rid of that Fox sig.

 

[AnDaLe]

come to think of it, i've never seen Darkrain or SS play any other characters besides falcon. I wonder what they're like.

 

[Roneblaster]

darkrain has a pocket fox, he busted it out vs Wobbles in GF of a south tourney, Im going to bed or Id link it to you. Oh and Darkrain's DK beat Chop's falco is some friendlies, i dont remember when the video was uploaded, couldve been this year, or couldve been 3 years ago, I just cant remember.

 

[TemPesT-]

lol its funny people talkin about the upthrow chaingrab cause i just watched a match where KDJ CG'ed upthrows with falcon in dittoes on some guy.

also, tempest, i didnt watch alot, but it looks like you know everything you need to know, just need to keep playing more and more people.

Oh and get rid of that Fox sig.

dang i was hoping there was some big hole in my play that i wasn't seeing... guess i just suck i'll keep practicing though.

 

[Aussierob123]

you know, some falcon mains may just not switch because they enjoy playing falcon? I never switch because i enjoy playing falcon so much, it has nothing to do with wanting to win.

 

[Roneblaster]

well there might still be a hole, like i said, I havent watched much yet.

 

[MarsFool!]

darkrain has a pocket fox, he busted it out vs Wobbles in GF of a south tourney, Im going to bed or Id link it to you. Oh and Darkrain's DK beat Chop's falco is some friendlies, i dont remember when the video was uploaded, couldve been this year, or couldve been 3 years ago, I just cant remember.

It was at TO3 but its funny cause he 2-0d chops with DK but got tore up with Falcon xD


Also you can wiggle then jumpn or mash out an aerial at an unusually low % from Falcons Upthrow, why would anybody get chainthrown by that lol

 

[The Irish Mafia]

Darkrain's fox is incredigood, as is Hax$'s falco, Nand0's falco, and, from what I hear, SS's roy.

idk lol

 

[kpm91]

there are actually vids of jeff's roy. go to youtube and type in ss roy.

 

[iamthemicrowave]

If you guys haven't figured out this out yet, pros can play all top/high tier chars very effectively, they just play the ones they like best, or cuz they like a certain matchup.

stupid noobs

 

[Nakamaru]

If you guys haven't figured out this out yet, pros can play all top/high tier chars very effectively, they just play the ones they like best, or cuz they like a certain matchup.

stupid noobs

Wat r u takin bout? Pro play there mians and nuthin else. tahts Y it called a mian! DUH![/sarasm]

 

[GOD!]

If you guys haven't figured out this out yet, pros can play all top/high tier chars very effectively, they just play the ones they like best, or cuz they like a certain matchup.

stupid noobs

lol... speaking of this, vidjo busting out a fox vs dope when the match up went to rainbow cruise was an example of why you're wrong. Of course they can play them well, but they don't know the match-ups or abilities of their non-mains as well.
They don't have the match-up experience so they don't do as well. No one was saying they weren't effective, but SS wouldn't place as well as he does if he used roy.

 

[Alukard]

lol... speaking of this, vidjo busting out a fox vs dope when the match up went to rainbow cruise was an example of why you're wrong. Of course they can play them well, but they don't know the match-ups or abilities of their non-mains as well.
They don't have the match-up experience so they don't do as well. No one was saying they weren't effective, but SS wouldn't place as well as he does if he used roy.

imagine he has a beast *** roy LOLOL

 

[legion598]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIpFKWfWfEw
what do u guys think of my falcon?
tips + tricks for the match up are welcome and if u see the 3rd match its clear that i need some help against pikachu

 

[DippnDots]

gentleman q, for the tap a tap a hold a method, you need to hit them right. Does that include their shield or does it have to actually hit THEM?

 

[legion598]

it works on their shields as well

 

[AnDaLe]

yea it works on their shields, sometimes it shield pokes too

 

[legion598]

dude ant watch that vid NAO!

 

[weon - X]

how do i play falcon

 

[ETWIST51294]

^^

 

[Deleted member]

gentleman q, for the tap a tap a hold a method, you need to hit them right. Does that include their shield or does it have to actually hit THEM?

as long as your first jab connects on something hold a method works

if you don't hit with the first jab i suggest switching to the timing method where you evenly space all 3

 

[telemaster]

SS ROY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7hw2oFGmQY

WIN

 

[Magus420]

If you don't hit anything you should also do the hold A method, but you do need to slow down the timing a bit to make up for not having the added hitlag. Holding A (or Z which also acts as an A input) on the 3rd hit until after you IASA out of the jab sequence will always be beneficial since rapid punches are triggered by comparing your total A input duration vs total time. The reason holding the 3rd input helps is because each A input duration is only determined on release, so if you never actually release the 3rd A input and IASA while still holding it that 3rd one doesn't get included in the total at all.

Gentlemans are made easier by keeping your total A input duration low (releasing the A button faster when doing the 1st and 2nd punches and holding the 3rd input to omit it), and your total time high (spacing one or more of the punches farther apart and hitting something which adds hitlag to the total time). As the total A input becomes shorter and/or more hitlag is added, the time between punches can be shorter while still getting the gentleman. When the total A input becomes longer and/or less or no hitlag is added you will need to space the punches out more.

 

[Roneblaster]

smells like christmas

 

[Scar]

I make more money working 40-50 hours a week than Scar does working 80 hours a week.

BY A LOT!

Get at me!

/MangoHeadBob

**** YOU MOGWAI

it's true

 

[Roneblaster]

wheres the cost of living higher? EC or WC?

 

[chiZZLeSD]

probably wc. in cali, my family pays on average 400 more than my family on ec.. and they have a bigger house haha