Sakurai talks about future balance patch plans

[sc458]

Here's hoping so.

 

[Unknownkid]

What if Diddy does get nerf, who will be the next "top tier" character? Sonic, Rosalina, ZSS, or back to Sheik? Maybe Yoshi since he supposedly high tier (yet I barely see him in tournaments minus players like Raptor)

I wish he can "fix" Mii Fighters. Oh well, time to learn our matchup and adapt.

 

[TheMiSP]

Much rather there be more buffs then nerfs.

 

[sc458]

Nerfs to Diddy's uair/dthrow and the game will be as balanced as I'd like it.

The 'lower tier' characters can beat 'higher tier' characters given the right player behind them. It's not like in Brawl where Ganondorf couldn't even beat an egg.

 

[DunnoBro]

What if Diddy does get nerf, who will be the next "top tier" character? Sonic, Rosalina, ZSS, or back to Sheik? Maybe Yoshi since he supposedly high tier (yet I barely see him in tournaments minus players like Raptor)

I wish he can "fix" Mii Fighters. Oh well, time to learn our matchup and adapt.

The issue with diddy could just be his sheer simplicity. If they could just make his combos more of a DI read than it is now, it'd probably be okay. I feel like the change from vectoring was bound to cause issues like this so they should be prepared to fix them.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Nothing wrong with Diddy to me outside of his Uair, Still if this were the last balance patch poor Mii swordsman lol.

 

[deepseadiva]

This game is for real a rollercoaster of emotions.

 

[RanserSSF4]

so from what I gathered; Diddy and Luigi weren't mentioned in the article, but they mention a character that's average, but for some reason has a high rate win streak. I don't know who that character could be.

 

[ぱみゅ]

Something I'd like to point is that, at least in the "translation", Sakurai mentions something related to Custom Moves' balance.
That probably means he EXPECTS them to be used?

 

[ChikoLad]

Something I'd like to point is that, at least in the "translation", Sakurai mentions something related to Custom Moves' balance.
That probably means he EXPECTS them to be used?

Of course he expects them to be used. He didn't put them there as just window dressing.

There really isn't any reason not to implement them in the long run.

 

[TTTTTsd]

Nobody plans to patch their game right after they literally just balance patched their game. Of course there's no immediate plan for it. I mean, nobody's going to release/update their game and just outright essentially state that "it's probably not balanced, immediate patching is in need."

I'm sure we'll get more, I just don't expect them anytime soon. Do keep in mind this statement mentions "current plans" and not "full future plans", so I grain of salt it.

 

[CURRY]

Much rather there be more buffs then nerfs.

Yoo
That would be pretty cool if after a whole ton of nerfing patches, Sakurai just releases a major overhaul patch and buffs the heck out of everyone...
Still though, it's really much easier to nerf to balance rather than buff. Even the most significant buff was probably with Shulk's +1% on every move in his moveset, and that wasn't particularly even game-changing to HOW he played.

 

[RanserSSF4]

Nobody plans to patch their game right after they literally just balance patched their game. Of course there's no immediate plan for it. I mean, nobody's going to release/update their game and just outright essentially state that "it's probably not balanced, immediate patching is in need."

I'm sure we'll get more, I just don't expect them anytime soon. Do keep in mind this statement mentions "current plans" and not "full future plans", so I grain of salt it.

If I had to guess, it would definitly be when Mewtwo comes out (At least they confirmed that he will be stand alone DLC to pay). heck, the online tournament modes and stuff might come out when Mewtwo comes out as well.

 

[sc458]

Nobody plans to patch their game right after they literally just balance patched their game. Of course there's no immediate plan for it. I mean, nobody's going to release/update their game and just outright essentially state that "it's probably not balanced, immediate patching is in need."

I'm sure we'll get more, I just don't expect them anytime soon. Do keep in mind this statement mentions "current plans" and not "full future plans", so I grain of salt it.

It's difficult to know his exact wording since we're going off a translation, and words never have exactly the same meaning as their translations.

Unless we have someone here who's bilingual in English and Japanese we'll have to just hope they do a good job translating.

And that Sakurai isn't just lying/trolling/teasing us.

 

[TTTTTsd]

It's difficult to know his exact wording since we're going off a translation, and words never have exactly the same meaning as their translations.

Unless we have someone here who's bilingual in English and Japanese we'll have to just hope they do a good job translating.

And that Sakurai isn't just lying/trolling/teasing us.

It could be like that time he said there would be no Paid DLC and then NoE literally confirmed you could buy Mewtwo.

 

[Tristan_win]

Nobody plans to patch their game right after they literally just balance patched their game. Of course there's no immediate plan for it. I mean, nobody's going to release/update their game and just outright essentially state that "it's probably not balanced, immediate patching is in need.".

Hmm, I'm not exactly sure about that. It isn't until a patch goes public can the effects be fully demonstrate so you would think developers would remain at the ready if any issue with the patch happened. This could range from glitches to big influx of power in the game.

This is just me but if I was developing a game and I remove a major mechanic (VI) I would be very nervous in how it could drastically change the game. ^-^ I guess Sakurai isn't fully aware of the monster they made Diddy Kong into.

 

[sc458]

It could be like that time he said there would be no Paid DLC and then NoE literally confirmed you could buy Mewtwo.

Sometimes I think he enjoys playing us like that.

 

[TTTTTsd]

Hmm, I'm not exactly sure about that. It isn't until a patch goes public can the effects be fully demonstrate so you would think developers would remain at the ready if any issue with the patch happened. This could range from glitches to big influx of power in the game.

This is just me but if I was developing a game and I remove a major mechanic (VI) I would be very nervous in how it could drastically change the game. ^-^ I guess Sakurai isn't fully aware of the monster they made Diddy Kong into.

I mean, of course it's important to be ready, but from the statement I drew that he's in this sort of place where he doesn't want to prematurely change anything on a knee-jerk, especially this early on. Which is good. Let things settle before you flip everything on its head I suppose.

Maybe he will, maybe he won't. No idea, this guy seems to change his mind about a lot of things LOL

 

[Shadow Blitz]

I apologize for my subtle diddy kong joke that seems to have stirred up discussion. Good to hear this could be false, as I definitely am in favor of a few minor balancing tweaks.

 

[LancerStaff]

It could be like that time he said there would be no Paid DLC and then NoE literally confirmed you could buy Mewtwo.

Like when NoE confirmed you cou use the GC adaptor on other games, right?

 

[IcyFlamz96]

Oh so you gimp greninja and dip -_-

 

[Iron Kraken]

Nobody plans to patch their game right after they literally just balance patched their game. Of course there's no immediate plan for it. I mean, nobody's going to release/update their game and just outright essentially state that "it's probably not balanced, immediate patching is in need."

I'm sure we'll get more, I just don't expect them anytime soon. Do keep in mind this statement mentions "current plans" and not "full future plans", so I grain of salt it.

Exactly this.

Think of it from Sakurai's perspective. He just worked on this game tirelessly for years, all the way up to just before the Wii U release. Then finally he takes a few weeks off from the game. At the time of this interview he states that he's just getting back to the game, to work on Mewtwo and some other online improvements.

In this context, he's asked "will we be getting more balance patches?" Which makes more sense for him to say... "Of course we'll be getting another balance patch" or "I have no plans at the moment for another balance patch."

Of course the latter answer makes more sense. He doesn't want to make it seem as if balance patches are something that should be expected regularly, because they won't be, and he's not doing a service to the Smash community by saying "expect plenty of balance patches!"

But I know Sakurai does care about this game, and I think if we give the game a few months to breathe, and if at that point there are a couple of characters in Japan who are clearly head and shoulders above or significantly below the rest of the cast, Sakurai will see that and make adjustments.

If Sakurai was resolved to wipe his hands completely clean of the game I would have my doubts, but the fact that DLC is clearly going to be worked on over the next few months at the very least is what makes me think we will be getting at least a few more character adjustments in the future.

 

[Kempatsu]

Fox's borderline infinite jab needs to be patched. I watched ZeRo own Mew2King for 2 hours straight on Twitch the other day and a bunch of those matches was ZeRo explaining how broken that "combo" is.

 

[Loken]

so from what I gathered; Diddy and Luigi weren't mentioned in the article, but they mention a character that's average, but for some reason has a high rate win streak. I don't know who that character could be.

Link would be my best guess.

 

[Unknownkid]

Link would be my best guess.

I feel like its a character that didn't change from visual standpoint in the Brawl. I lean towards Fox or Sonic.

 

[Funkermonster]

This is kinda good for me actually, no more immediate balance patches while the game's so young. There are a few adjustments I'd still like to see to a few characters (particularly Bowser Jr, Diddy, andCharizard and Palutena), but I do hope they wll make another patch eventually. Maybe they'll do it around Mewtwo's release?

 

[LoreLes]

Fox's borderline infinite jab needs to be patched. I watched ZeRo own Mew2King for 2 hours straight on Twitch the other day and a bunch of those matches was ZeRo explaining how broken that "combo" is.

At lower percents you can still react to it and get out but at higher percents it's ridiculous. Some characters just can't get out of this when the jabs lift them high enough off the ground right into Upsmash. It needs some tweaking for sure.

 

[Conda]

I am requesting this thread's title be changed to not have a quote, as this was a translation and was slightly mistranslated in tone as well. We are not being accurate or truthful by using quotes.

 

[Real Smooth-Like]

They additionally mention that there is a character that Sakurai thinks is average at best but has an abnormally high online win rate. The character is not mentioned.

If Sakurai thinks a character is average at best, doesn't that imply he thinks some characters are better than the others? And he's quitting patching now?..

What the hell, Sakurai! What ever happened to balance?!

 

[LancerStaff]

If Sakurai thinks a character is average at best, doesn't that imply he thinks some characters are better than the others? And he's quitting patching now?..

What the hell, Sakurai! What ever happened to balance?!

He said that there isn't a new patch planned yet, not that they won't make any more...

 

[Kodachi]

I tend to have a really hard time vs sonic, even vs players that I dominate otherwise. Maybe just me though. Diddy seems skill dependent but then again I haven't vs'd too many.

 

[Falcon Beatdown]

Damn, would have been awesome to get a speed increase and get it closer to melee's level of competitive play. Although even if there were major updates I highly doubt that Daddy Sakurai would permit that. Gotta stick with melee and project m for now.

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

Hmm, I'm not exactly sure about that. It isn't until a patch goes public can the effects be fully demonstrate so you would think developers would remain at the ready if any issue with the patch happened. This could range from glitches to big influx of power in the game.

This is just me but if I was developing a game and I remove a major mechanic (VI) I would be very nervous in how it could drastically change the game. ^-^ I guess Sakurai isn't fully aware of the monster they made Diddy Kong into.

The idea is that right after a balance patch, things are going to take a long time to really be figured out, any any further patch within ~2 years has a decent chance of being unecessary. Glitches, of course can be fixed asap, but even if a character is perceived to suddenly be OP, they're not going to adjust it again so fast. Especially since there's definitely not going to be a new Meta Knight all of a sudden considering how balanced the characters have seemed for months now already.

You're saying they should be ready to readjust it since they removed vectoring and deal with the side effects. But what if the side effects aren't really problems but are only perceived as problems because, right now, currently we do not know how to handle it (diddy?). A month is nothing in the grand scheme of things, people could easily figure something out in that time.

The logic of readjusting it because something should be fixed can also be used to argue that it should not be readjusted right after a balance patch. You can't be sure if the problem will persist for more than a few months (and even so a few months is not definitive) and you also can't be sure that a new problem won't arise.

 

[MAGMIS]

sakurai thinks this character is average at best and has an abnormally high "online" win rate................

hmmmmm..............

Link.

 

[Unknownkid]

I change my mind. It is Luigi or Ness.

 

[Meek Moths]

sakurai thinks this character is average at best and has an abnormally high "online" win rate................

hmmmmm..............

Link.

i think this guys right.

roll - jab - projectile

even experienced players can lose to that

 

[lijero13ss]

So when is Sakurai gonna save Smash Wii U by balancing out diddy (and maaaaaybe sheik) ?

Please, we really don't want another Brawl where the top 16 in every tournament will be all diddy kongs and we will start banning diddy kongs. He better have a plan to balance him out.

 

[Spak]

My main concern is that Mewtwo is going to be OP and Sakurai won't be willing to fix him after he is released in the Spring. I guess Mewtwo deserves payback from his poor performance in Melee, but we'll see how everything goes.

 

[Tobi_Whatever]

My main concern is that Mewtwo is going to be OP and Sakurai won't be willing to fix him after he is released in the Spring. I guess Mewtwo deserves payback from his poor performance in Melee, but we'll see how everything goes.

He is going to be a floaty mess with a lot of useless moves.

 

[stancosmos]

Nobody plans to patch their game right after they literally just balance patched their game. Of course there's no immediate plan for it. I mean, nobody's going to release/update their game and just outright essentially state that "it's probably not balanced, immediate patching is in need."

I'm sure we'll get more, I just don't expect them anytime soon. Do keep in mind this statement mentions "current plans" and not "full future plans", so I grain of salt it.

I enjoy your reiteration of "take it with a grain of salt"