"Revival of DGames" Mafia

[~ Gheb ~]

Personal evaluation of the situation?

Yeah but how did you evaluate it to get to that coclusion? You don't know Spak as a player at all and you didn't even try to keep up the pressure to solidify your stance. I don't see anything that would allow you to confidently evaluate the situation.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Would sooner lynch WATT than Spak atm

But if Kantrip keeps this up I'm all for quicklynching him soon.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

Would sooner lynch WATT than Spak atm

But if Kantrip keeps this up I'm all for quicklynching him soon.

I haven't really seen WATT much, so what do you have against him other than the 'personal evaluation' thing?

I'm up for lynching K if necessary, but would rather Spak.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

The entire Spak push is very weak in why he's scum and you just sort of popped up and threw a vote on him while repeating information Laundry said almost verbatim. Ryu took it up and is pushing it now but I still find it a weird thing to do, gut instinct is scum intent behind it to keep the Spak push going. He's taking it more seriously then I feel Alex (do I get to call him that?) or anyone else that was questioning him was, Laundry I easily see the town intent behind, Ryu not so much

you really think ryu is pushing spak asw opposed to reading him ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

@J : Do you feel like WoTT dropped spak because the push itself was lazy and worthless, or was he simply kicking spak's tires for a reaction ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Um... non sequitur. What are you trying to say?

At this post, I finally realised Rake is Gheb...
cos

lol 'white'



Earlier, after i considered Spak a bit more, he actually turned town. I considered his circumstances and decided he was a town who tried a gambit that failed. But after his attempt to shift the spotlight onto Maven and the above post (especially the above post), I feel he's scum, or maybe indy. I don't think it's likely that he would just construct a story, playing a gambit on a gambit, to reason out his play rather than simply telling the truth. It just feels like he's taking the possible explanations others gave and using them for an easy way out. Also, his town lean on Maven feels like him supporting another because he supported him.

Vote remains on Spak. Legit now.
Vote: Destroy ring

But did you notice anything else. that's the important question.
How do you feel about WoTT, specifically how did you find his push on Spak ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Vote: WoTT

WoTT, why is the Dietz side not pushing J to be more constructively active, his day so far has felt like a sidebar to me, his content while relevant feels like only pieces, like he's holding back on being viewed as over aggressive or possibly being reserved due to being worried about his thread position. How do you feel about this argument ?

J, why are you being so lightfooted around your reads, I know you wanna take your time and get into D1 but it really feels to me like your dragging your feet moreso than your just uninterested and need people to harass you into interest. Why do you think ryker's first post was constructed the way it was ? Do you feel like Ryker was posturing, because my first instinct was he was posturing with his first post to seem like he had clout.

Secondarily, what do you think of Maven interpreting Ryu's slow questioning process as a scum push onto Spak, once Ryu started his questioning I distinctly felt he was trying to feel Spak out, not drag it out like Maven's asserting, especially because a scum Ryu has no reason to drag Spak's push out.

Maven, do you feel like Spak is giving you too easy a pass on his town read on you ? If so, how is that telling to you ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

lastly, people need to stop bringing up kantrip, mentioning his name doesn't do anyone any good, I realize he's inactive vut he's not Beetlejuice, he's not going to appear if we say his name 3 times. People need to stop wasting their time talking about his inactiveness and focus on the active people. If kantrip continues to be gonzo then we let him be replaced, I'm not going to back an inactive lynch on D1 because people are too lazy to form a actual scum read to push and we muddy the game with a geet nothing from it inactive lynch.



Also, I want the ring, but better judgement says destroy it, I do recall the game that it was last around in and it only led to shenanigans because I distinctly remember keeping it and it causing more trouble than good. That being said, the ring is something scum moreso than town would want gone because if town was smart, they would have that power. I want everyone to tell me how they feel about Ryker suggesting to destroy it and whether doing that was objectively protown by Ryker

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I haven't really seen WATT much, so what do you have against him other than the 'personal evaluation' thing?

Do I need anything other than that? That **** requires an explanation.

 

[Spak]

Perhaps this might seem inconsequential, but why did you post this?

Because I wanted someone to complain to and figured that it might help start the new page earlier so that my posts wouldn't be at the front of everyone's minds (and )

For the record I agree with Fan that this post is gross. Why single Maven out like this when most of the game is inactive? It's timing is bizarre and it does give off the impression of an attempt to redirect attention off of you.

Because, as I have stated numerous times, he is the only one I've played with before and I'd have a much harder time trying to read someone that I don't know the playstyle of.

There's some more Spak stuff I would like to comment on but I want him to respond to me first.

Fire away. I'll be at Church for the next little bit, but I'll respond after lunch.

So just let me get this straight, you were trying to redirect attention off of you?

Yeah. Partly that and partly needing a read REALLY badly.

Also who would be okay with an inactive Kantrip lynch?

I'd be fine with it as long as it isn't before 3/4 of Day 1 is over. If he gives us a legit reason before then, I think we should give him a chance to be active.

*snag it.

ack I need to double check my posts before posting.

Also SPAK! I saw you viewing the thread! Get back here you!

I was pretty asleep by 1:30 in the morning, but my phone was still streaming Planets. If Chrome was in background tasks, would it show me as viewing the thread?

I don't think it's likely that he would just construct a story, playing a gambit on a gambit, to reason out his play rather than simply telling the truth.

It was originally posted as a joke, but then I realized that I could get a read out of it. Since Maven was the only person that I knew the playstyle ov and RVS holds little to no weight, I changed my story. I finally decided to clarify and tell the truth in what you quoted, but I understand any wariness that you may have since I have lied to the rest of the towntown for a majority of the town.

Also, I already stated my reasoning for having Maven as a town lean. You can choose to believe it or you can choose not to, but it's the truth.

 

[Maven89]

You're right Fandangox, I was confused and combined your post with Rosa's vote.

you really think ryu is pushing spak asw opposed to reading him ?

I don't find Ryu's posts to be legitimate, he's asking him questions that Spak has basically already answered, I don't see how Ryu's questions will lead to a better understanding of Spak then we have right now. I also, still, find the amount of Spak attention weird. I see why at first, but now I'm really looking to see whose piling on, because I still don't see the scum intent in anything he did. Ryu's posts seem to be faking activity and I'm suspicious that he's asking questions that have largely already been answered while voting the guy.

And I still want him to answer my question

Why did you write this paragraph? It just looks like an attempt to knock Ryker down before he even really got into the game. I mean sure, we all know that Ryker is stubborn but this looks like a little too much of mudslinging/demeaning him for your benefit. Could you point out what you hoped to accomplish posting this?

Stop people from following any of the "alphas" based on name recognition, stop new players from thinking that's a smart strat, and to hopefully get something from Ryker in response to me telling people to not take him too seriously.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

Because I wanted someone to complain to and figured that it might help start the new page earlier so that my posts wouldn't be at the front of everyone's minds (and )

Because, as I have stated numerous times, he is the only one I've played with before and I'd have a much harder time trying to read someone that I don't know the playstyle of.

Fire away. I'll be at Church for the next little bit, but I'll respond after lunch.

Yeah. Partly that and partly needing a read REALLY badly.

I'd be fine with it as long as it isn't before 3/4 of Day 1 is over. If he gives us a legit reason before then, I think we should give him a chance to be active.


I was pretty asleep by 1:30 in the morning, but my phone was still streaming Planets. If Chrome was in background tasks, would it show me as viewing the thread?


It was originally posted as a joke, but then I realized that I could get a read out of it. Since Maven was the only person that I knew the playstyle ov and RVS holds little to no weight, I changed my story. I finally decided to clarify and tell the truth in what you quoted, but I understand any wariness that you may have since I have lied to the rest of the towntown for a majority of the town.

Also, I already stated my reasoning for having Maven as a town lean. You can choose to believe it or you can choose not to, but it's the truth.

Also, about your play, IIRC you've only played one game with Maven before. How can that help you work out his allegiance in any way this game? Even if he played in the exact same way, with the exact same posts, maybe he always played like that. Or maybe his play last game was weird, and this is his typical town/scum play. etc. Was it actually feasible for you to meta him with only one game together thus far?

 

[RosalinaSGS]

Will get to Watt tomorrow (or is it today?) cos already 12:50.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Yeah but how did you evaluate it to get to that coclusion? You don't know Spak as a player at all and you didn't even try to keep up the pressure to solidify your stance. I don't see anything that would allow you to confidently evaluate the situation.

Because i made the call that i wouldn't get anything else out of it. Other people have been needling him about things and its only minimally affected my view on him so i think i made the right call for myself

Vote: WoTT

WoTT, why is the Dietz side not pushing J to be more constructively active, his day so far has felt like a sidebar to me, his content while relevant feels like only pieces, like he's holding back on being viewed as over aggressive or possibly being reserved due to being worried about his thread position. How do you feel about this argument?

because dietz has barely been here and I'm sure if he wanted to have it out with j it wouldnt be mobile because of all the typing that would ensue.
Personally i try to read ryker n j over time, especially j because of his dislike for d1 in general so while i can see your dislike of the content/lack there of i dont think its indicative of anything atm

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Guess who boys?

Alex, tell me straight, are you scum this game or are you gonna work with me?

I wanna work with you if you're town. Tell me straight, are you scum this game or are you gonna work with me?

I'm very confident in my ability to read Orbo/Dietz if they actually play the game and if they coast, I'll just lynch them.

What do you think of them now?

J, I will still be more than willing to lynch you if I cannot read you. Please do me a favor and do not coast around in the beginning of the game. Go out of the way to give me something to work with when I need it and I will go out of my way not to read you incorrectly.

+1

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

It was worded like a joke with chortles afterwords, but humor doesn't carry well across Ethernet.

You can drop the "woe is me I'm not allowed to be funny" schtick. I opened the game by acting like a drug addict. We've been posting cereal jokes ever since. Your vote wasn't even meant to be a funny RVS vote, so I don't get why you're pulling this card.

I needed to clarify that it was intended as a joking ratonalle, but then went too far into my reasoning and posted it because it was 12:10 in the morning and I had been up and marching for 12 of the past 18 waking hours. Maven would probably post more on his own later, but I was trying to get him to reply sooner rather than later because he's literally the only person I can get a decent read on because I haven't played with any of the rest of you before. I would have edited the post after I had woken up to remove the entire latter half so that I didn't reveal my (admittedly bad) plan, but that would be cheating.

I'm honestly fine with this, however.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Vote: Spak

my reads atm,

1. Wots All This Then? (Orboknown/Jdietz Hydra)
2. Gheb_01
3. Maven89
4. Kantrip
5. Spak
6. RosalinaSGS
7. FandangoX
8. Red Ryu
9. #HBC | Dancer
10. #HBC | Ryker
11. Rake the Macaroni Jabroni
12. Laundry
13. #HBC | J

green = town
light green = town lean
white = neutral
orange = mafia lean
red = mafia

Whatever reasoning you have WoTT as town, I really wanna know.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I think Spak's responses have been lacking and might be a tell if it was anything other then a random RVS vote so early in the game, there's nothing pro-scum about what he's done, and overall he comes off more like he gave a more serious answer to his joke in the belief people were insulting him so he had to overcompensate, and is now stuck. I don't think it's scummy and I'm more suspicious of certain people pushing him, mainly Fandango and Ryu

+1, good insight, and the only person to have said it verbally in the thread as of this point.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Permanent Votes mean DON'T SLING THEM AROUND! I'm not around to talk at the moment, but I think in general, lacking clears, destroying the items are better.

Agree/Disagree and why?

If we've got no place to put them safely, I can't imagine why we'd risk it. The only way we could have strife is if people don't agree on clears/solid enough townreads that no one can ever doubt (the Ran players).

Should we guess right on a townie though, he becomes a nightkill magnet however. :^)

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

100% we should destroy the ring, we have little to do with it today and it would need to be used to good effect immediately or scum will just kill the rinbearer when they want it. In theory the owner can pass it but thats still asking for NAR trouble. Any doublevote today would be garbage

@Laundry now that you've seen more what do you make of shax mindset

New player who got into a bad situation. I've already made mention of this in response to Maven's posts. The only reason I questioned it was because I felt his targeting choice in RVS felt forced and specific. He gave me a reason I can believe to answer those questions.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

If the issue is that you have trouble getting involved D1, then Laundry vs. Spak seems like a good place to jump right in. Why do you want (need?) to wait for Ryker (or anyone, I suppose) to ask you a question?

This is his, admittedly, usual schtick. He coasts through D1 for whatever selfish reasons and then we're left with him in D2 with nary a steady read on him.

Also who would be okay with an inactive Kantrip lynch?

I would, but I'm not moving my vote there before the guy can even receive a prod (which he still can't as of this posting). I'm not sure why you're bringing this up >48 hours into the day phase.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Rake, form Rake the Lawndry with me. The only person with whom I agree with nearly this much right now is Maven and you're still a head and shoulders above him.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Also, I want the ring, but better judgement says destroy it, I do recall the game that it was last around in and it only led to shenanigans because I distinctly remember keeping it and it causing more trouble than good. That being said, the ring is something scum moreso than town would want gone because if town was smart, they would have that power. I want everyone to tell me how they feel about Ryker suggesting to destroy it and whether doing that was objectively protown by Ryker

Didn't we stop automatically giving protown passes to people who did this sort of ****? Especially if their name is Ryker?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

vote: WoTT

Yeh I'm down for that wagon. I didn't like how he prodded at Spak for that vote, then let him off almost immediately as soon as he started. Golden opportunity to open the game and he just pokes him and then lets him off. I don't like that and he hasn't done anything to explain that.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Stop people from following any of the "alphas" based on name recognition, stop new players from thinking that's a smart strat, and to hopefully get something from Ryker in response to me telling people to not take him too seriously.

ahahahahahahaha too late for that now

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Because i made the call that i wouldn't get anything else out of it. Other people have been needling him about things and its only minimally affected my view on him so i think i made the right call for myself

Way too early, and with way too little information to make that call.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Scummy:
WoTT

Town:
Rake
Maven
Spak

Reads belong in my dumpsterfire:
Rosa

I get off work at 11. I'll be back around then.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Ryker, is this Laundry being scum or just doing his usual D1-Laundry-thing?

Because i made the call that i wouldn't get anything else out of it. Other people have been needling him about things and its only minimally affected my view on him so i think i made the right call for myself

Hindsight is 20/20 but I still don't see how you could've known so soon. I'm holding this against you.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'd say typical Laundry thing. I know J asked me something about WATT and Laundry, but I don't remember the question. I'll go more in depth on both things asked of me after I get back.

Gheb/WATT, what is your read on Maven.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb/WATT, what is your read on Maven.

Just the standard "beginning of D1 Maven play" I'm used to seeing from him. I'd let him do his thing for now.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Vote: WoTT

WoTT, why is the Dietz side not pushing J to be more constructively active, his day so far has felt like a sidebar to me, his content while relevant feels like only pieces, like he's holding back on being viewed as over aggressive or possibly being reserved due to being worried about his thread position. How do you feel about this argument ?

Rake what the **** are you talking about. What part of Dietz first time mobile posting is hard to understand. I'm not sure why you think pushing J is automatically a part of the Dietz agenda unless you're pulling up running jokes from 2 years ago, but when I skimmed it was not at all on my mind. So why are you coming to me about it? If you want content from J that's great, but it's not my problem D1, I have Laundry and Spak drunk Orbo fallout to concern myself with.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

New player who got into a bad situation. I've already made mention of this in response to Maven's posts. The only reason I questioned it was because I felt his targeting choice in RVS felt forced and specific. He gave me a reason I can believe to answer those questions.

Then we can agree on that much, but I wouldn't go as far as calling him town specifically for it. He's reminding me a lot of how I acted my very first game when Swiss pinned me to a wall, but at the time I was decidedly scum. I don't think he's scum for what he did, but my point is I don't feel comfortable saying it's town.

What part makes you lean him in that direction?

Rake, form Rake the Lawndry with me. The only person with whom I agree with nearly this much right now is Maven and you're still a head and shoulders above him.

I'd also like to know what you've liked from Maven so far.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I caught up.

unvote

Gonna get to important posts, then reevaluate where my full reads are at.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Hindsight is 20/20 but I still don't see how you could've known so soon. I'm holding this against you.

I make no excuses for Orbo because I would have pushed it. But I have to at least ask are you aware he was drunk?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Gheb/WATT, what is your read on Maven.

I actually hated how he came into thread between calling the early discussion cancer/seflvote and being more concerned with you grandstanding than current events, but I think his push against Ryu and Fanny now that we're going is legit. Didn't try and snap out a decision when I prodded him that he was still voting himself either. Okay right now.

 

[Fandangox]

Because, as I have stated numerous times, he is the only one I've played with before and I'd have a much harder time trying to read someone that I don't know the playstyle of.

That's fine, but its still a bad excuse and bad play overall, you gotta get reads on everyone, trying to go for the one person you played won't really do you much, specially if you played them once.

I don't find Ryu's posts to be legitimate, he's asking him questions that Spak has basically already answered, I don't see how Ryu's questions will lead to a better understanding of Spak then we have right now. I also, still, find the amount of Spak attention weird. I see why at first, but now I'm really looking to see whose piling on, because I still don't see the scum intent in anything he did. Ryu's posts seem to be faking activity and I'm suspicious that he's asking questions that have largely already been answered while voting the guy.

I guess, but there wasn't much going on at the time, it didn't seem forced to me, but I will re-read it when I get home.

Scummy:
WoTT

Town:
Rake
Maven
Spak

Reads belong in my dumpsterfire:
Rosa

I get off work at 11. I'll be back around then.

Elaborate further on your town reads please. Also I keep forgetting what you mean with dumpsterfire lol

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Because I wanted someone to complain to and figured that it might help start the new page earlier so that my posts wouldn't be at the front of everyone's minds (and )

Because, as I have stated numerous times, he is the only one I've played with before and I'd have a much harder time trying to read someone that I don't know the playstyle of.

Fire away. I'll be at Church for the next little bit, but I'll respond after lunch.

Yeah. Partly that and partly needing a read REALLY badly.

I'd be fine with it as long as it isn't before 3/4 of Day 1 is over. If he gives us a legit reason before then, I think we should give him a chance to be active.


I was pretty asleep by 1:30 in the morning, but my phone was still streaming Planets. If Chrome was in background tasks, would it show me as viewing the thread?


It was originally posted as a joke, but then I realized that I could get a read out of it. Since Maven was the only person that I knew the playstyle ov and RVS holds little to no weight, I changed my story. I finally decided to clarify and tell the truth in what you quoted, but I understand any wariness that you may have since I have lied to the rest of the towntown for a majority of the town.

Also, I already stated my reasoning for having Maven as a town lean. You can choose to believe it or you can choose not to, but it's the truth.

Why did you want to get people to stop thinking about you?

And why did you feel like you needed a read?

Unvote

 

[Wots All This Then?]

@ #HBC | Ryker : What do you make of Fandangox and J's contributions so far?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Please explain the productivity and helpfulness and these posts








and I'll believe you actually have reasons to ask that question

I'll admit 2 of the four are joke rvs, make me a hipocrite I guess.

The rest at J are not worthless. My comments at you still stand.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

That's fine with me. That post was the desperation for a read in combination with me trying lay low (as I stated in the post you quoted).


As I stated earlier I don't have any strong scum reads right now, but here is my list:

1. Wots All This Then?
2. Gheb_01
3. Maven89
4. Kantrip
5. Spak
6. RosalinaSGS
7. FandangoX
8. Red Ryu
9. #HBC | Dancer
10. #HBC | Ryker
11. Rake the Macaroni Jabroni
12. Laundry
13. #HBC | J

Town
Town Lean
Neutral
Mafia Lean
Mafia


It was a joke that turned into me desperately trying to get a read of Maven after people kept pestering me. So at the time it was posted, it was a joke.

Can you elaborate on Wott, as to your rational?