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Chance: 85%
- Yeah. It's completely likely, but at the same time, Sakurai is an insane person and we don't know for sure. Usually, I'd view this as a 50/50 situation, but this time it's more of a "Why not?" situation.
Want: 100%
- Yes please. It would help prevent wasted character slots for characters that are just clones, like Roy. Here's some good examples for character alternates, just to name a few: /= Strikers outfit and Paper Mario = Dry Bowser = Boxing outfit = An actual tunic, Zora Armor, Hyrule Warriors attire = Young Link /= Roy = Adventures outfit = Mrs. Pac-Man
Prediction: Magolor - 30% Note: My prediction does not reflect my opinion
Nominations: Midna and Wolf Link
Werewolves are cool
So Inklings are confirmed to be DLC costumes for Smash...meaning todays rating is essentially 100%......and it looks like Inklings won't be DLC characters anytime soon.
THANK GOD
INKLINGS DECONFIRMED
Now we can get them off the stupid ballot...
Before anyone says "but the miis have a link and megaman costume!," those characters were already in the game. Making Inklin mii costumes pretty much destroys any chance they have of being in this Smash. And this is what they deserve. Their game hasn't even released yet. It looks good, but it could SUCK. And if they made an Inkling character and the game Splatoon sucked, well great now we have a character no one likes or plays. Mii costumes is all the Smash advertising they need.
By the way, @colder_than_ice
, I feel like it'd be a good idea to keep the rating archives for concepts (like today's topic) separate from the rating archives for characters.
Meanwhile, those Inkling costumes doesn't necessarily rule them out to be playable eventually, but it certainly looks like the newcomers-as-cross-promotion idea is kaput.
I say no and we should wait.
The last time we did that was with Sceptile and Blaziken after Hoenn remakes were confirmed. This inflated Sceptile's scores as a result...
We should take a week to cool off.
If we didn't for Ryu (because in all honesty it would have made sense to rate him the same day as Roy or the day after), then I don't think we need to do one for the Inklings. Let's the cool-off period for their nominations end then we could nominate them again.
I remember there was a Top 10 of chances and want in the OP or RTC, I thought it could be cool it we had them here as well
Top 10 of chances
*Seemingly leaked character
Top 10 of want
I'm going to update this every time a character reaches top 10 of chances and/or want. Or quits it after a rerate
I'm also curious to know whether we will be rating more than one thing per day at some point in the future. The frontrunner characters and concepts will have been rated rather quickly if you ask me, and nominations will sooner or later start to have the top go ridiculously high (we're almost at 170 currently, soon it will be about 200 it seems).
Edit: pics updated for a better font + fixed a black spot on Banjo-Kazooie
Chance: 80% With all the special attention Mii Fighters are getting, I'm sure that it wouldn't be too hard for the developers to rework a "skin" on existing characters for extra moolah. It's completely likely, but Sakurai's reputation of a "trolling creator" says otherwise. I'd view this as a coin flip situation, but I can't see why this should not be a new trend since we already have Alph and the Koopalings (Plus sex swap alts for the Avatar Trio).
Want: 100% Ms. Pac-Man and Dry Bowser alt plz! And how the heck can I forget the possibility of the Mario characters doning their sexy Strikers uniforms?
THANK GOD
INKLINGS DECONFIRMED
Now we can get them off the stupid ballot...
Before anyone says "but the miis have a link and megaman costume!," those characters were already in the game. Making Inklin mii costumes pretty much destroys any chance they have of being in this Smash. And this is what they deserve. Their game hasn't even released yet. It looks good, but it could SUCK. And if they made an Inkling character and the game Splatoon sucked, well great now we have a character no one likes or plays. Mii costumes is all the Smash advertising they need.
DLC Alternate Costumes Chance: 65%
I think there's a decent chance of it happening, especially with the Mii Fighters getting costumes and what not, but I also think there's a possibility that it might not. The Mii Fighters are personal avatar characters so it's feasible that Sakurai sees them as the ones who should get additional DLC costumes. He may not find it necessary for the rest of the cast to have additional costumes via DLC and instead just focus on the characters that you're already meant to personalize. That being said, there's tons of potential for the whole roster to get extra costumes if Sakurai and the developers don't want to pass up on the opportunity. I'm going to remain cautiously optimistic about this concept and give additional costumes a chance of 65%.
If Sakurai feels like going all out with the given characters, but maybe the priority lies somewhere else...
Want: 100%
Of course! I feel that if this becomes a reality the costumes should be free downloads, but even if I have to pay I'll still happily purchase. I would love to see what the developers could come up with.
To anyone saying "Inkling Mii costumes, INKLING DECONFIRMED!!!" I was never expecting Inklings to be a pre-Ballot DLC character anyway. Sure, Smash Bros. is an awesome marketing tool for Nintendo... but it doesn't just work like that. You can't just put a character from a new IP as a fighter in Smash Bros. to promote it and call it a day. Putting Inkling as DLC pre-Ballot before it becomes well established would be blatant advertisement and nothing else. The new Mii hats and outfits are a good compromise between giving the series Smash exposure and not having a major impact on the game. If anything I'm expecting Inklings to become a DLC fighter several months after Splatoon's release, potentially as the very last DLC fighter, in order to let the time to Splatoon to become an established Nintendo universe.
Chance: 80% - Sakurai did say that he wanted to make as much DLC as possible, and providing new models over existing coding seems easier than providing new coding and models. But... what if these were the DLC he was talking about? What if we don't get a good amount of newcomers and returning veterans like Wolf, Snake, and Ice Climbers (I've decided that these are the "big three" veterans to return)? I hope we actually get a balance of both.
Want: 100% - Other than the reason specified in my chance rating, I've got no reason to not want these (I won't even take off points for it)! I prefer that the old clone veterans (Young Link, Roy, and Pichu, the other big three) be DLC costumes, but oh well, as long as I see my big three veterans I'm OK. I just hope that these don't detract from getting more characters.
Predictions Magolor: Magolor, please, don't you worry yourself, Bandana Dee will handle the DLC Kirby Character Slot. What? You still want to go? Alright then, how about...21%. Wait a second, Magolor isn't real. Who in blazes am I talking to?
Nominations: DLC costumes eh? I guess this is a good chance to start up the other nomination again.
Roy will be a Marth alt X3 (honestly, this could work for Lucina too. Is there any way to combine this nomination into "Roy will be a Marth/Lucina alt?)
This is the last Smash Bros Game X2
Yes
I highly doubt Sakurai is just going to add the most voted characters. He's just going to take it with a grain of salt and let it help with his decisions.
Chance: 45%
If we're talking non Miis anyway. I just don't see it as likely as everyone else seems to.
Want: 50%
Honestly I'm not sure...
Hyrule Warriors Ganondorf look? Delicious.
Female Pikachu? Why not?
White, Orange and Brown Yoshi? Boring, but sure.
A true Daisy Alt? Yes please.
Chrom alt for Ike? Maybe?
Dry Bowser? Urgh.
Cat Peach? URGH.
Tanooki Mario? URRRRRGH. STOP.
There's entirely too many varying factors. Overall I'd prefer they ignore this and work on something else, but if it's this or Mii outfits I could take or leave either.
Magolor Prediction: 6%
Dee first. Mags' score will probably be dwarfed as a result with many not banking on two Kirby characters.
I guess I'll weigh in on the Inkling news. No they aren't deconfirmed, but their chances are hurt by this. Yes, mii costumes for characters already exist, but this one is identical to an actual Inkling. The Link costume resembles Link and the Mega Man X costume similarly hurts Xs chances (although realistically he had no chance any way). If the costume was similar to an inkling, they'd still be alive and well, but having a costume look identical to the character is harmful to their chances, but they ARENT dead
@colder_than_ice
I assume when you nominate DLC music, you mean some kind of DLC music pack, rather than say a DLC stage or character that comes with associated music?
It seems pretty clear that DLC stages will at least come with some new tracks, and that we're getting DLC stages...
I guess I'll weigh in on the Inkling news. No they aren't deconfirmed, but their chances are hurt by this. Yes, mii costumes for characters already exist, but this one is identical to an actual Inkling.
Chance - 85%: DLC alt costumes are some of the most accessible DLC items for just about every 3D-engine fighting game out there. They are not required content for the complete game experience and they up the fanservice factor, especially for a crossover on the scale of Smash. I mean, we've already got Mii Fighters getting DLC costumes of their own. Alt costumes were already incentivized in Brawl with Wario having his WarioWare & Mario Bros. attire available. This was made just about natural in SSB4 with Swimsuit Shulk, Bailey Suit Samus, Wireframe/Pink Sweatsuit/Green Sweatsuit Wireframe Little Mac, & perhaps Alph. So what is it holding back other main characters from getting their own alt costumes? Possibly along with free palette swaps of the costume?
Now, who would buy this? Well, alt costumes default to optional content, so there would be some people who wouldn't buy them at all, buy them all, but most likely have a little extra for their mains. That kind of helps strengthen the binding of attachment to characters, which is strengthened by the money commitment.
What I think this all this rests on is preferred methods of distribution. I can see characters coming in packs every month or two, reasonably given a larger bundle price from buying the costumes for individual characters. This would be identical to the Mii Fighter costume model, which also carries over into models seen in most other fighting games.
However, then comes the possibility of cross-distribution with amiibo. From a business perspective, this would increase the demand for more Smash (possibly Mario) amiibo (especially the ones with high sell-out rates. Scalpers gon' make a killin'!), reward existing owners of amiibo figures with free DLC, add more value to the amiibo line & concept, and perhaps even increase the net profit of alt costumes DLC twofold! All that would be needed to enable this is to include this with an eShop update, which is easy enough to warrant with patches coming around on the basis of new character releases. As a fiscal safeguard, any costumes unlocked through amiibo will be blocked for purchase on the eShop for the user who has them.
But with amiibo functionality come a few drawbacks to consider. First off, there are some operating costs to consider if restocks were to be put in order, as well as to increase the available of rarer Smash amiibo. This seems the most negligible, as we know restocks are in arrangement and Nintendo is aware of the consumer rush situations surrounding amiibo. Secondly, certain costumes and even packs may be sold at a loss for amiibo that are already owned or common. Third, the cost of an entire amiibo relative to a fixed single or pack costume cost may seem a little fishy or even decrease the incitement of a single sell for more common characters. We even see that some rarer amiibo only have a use within Smash and maybe one other game.
The majority of the cast has enough alternate appearances across their series to work with as it is: //
While artistic licenses might have to be considered for "unclothed" characters and characters who already have limited choice due to their origins as alts, as not doing so would be an unfair cut-off to players of those characters: /
And then we have characters who have unparalleled variety or already have alt costumes, which brings up a possibility of excluding them from alt costume packs: ()(, etc.) (, etc.)()
Want - 100%:
Unlike fully-developed characters, alt costumes don't force the consumer into a choice-y sacrificial commitment. It's icing over the thickly layered-cake.
As for amiibo, I'm in favor of increasing the functionality of those ambitious little figurines. Plus, it with the demand amiibo already have, this would benefit Nintendo more than it could hurt them.
With speculation, a key factor to it is imagining possibilities you want realized for the game no matter how implausible reality may make it seem. Hell, the Smash Ballot's purpose is to realize the imagined fantasies sought and even embellished by fans.
Therefore, I'll share some of my alt costume ideas for some characters:
: Houndour Accents (Pitch black & crimson palette, Horns, bone ribs & braces, bone spine, neck skull), Salamence Accents (Blueish-green palette, head protrusions, red forehead scales & underneck, grey underbelly, red tail spines, wing webs solid red w/ outermost web matching wing curvature), Dragonair Accents (Deep blue & white palette, forehead horn, head wings, blue neck bauble, blue tail bauble, white underbelly going from neck down), Archeops Accents (Yellow, red, green, & blue feathers, wrist & neck feather mane. green plate from nose to lower neck, blue leaf-like tail feather) : Normal w/ Mask, Shogun (w/ Oni-styled Mask) : Hip-Hop: DKC2 reversed cap, DKCTR backpack, Golden Banana chain, shades, open chest mangled jacket w/ different designs for recolors : Retro Arcade Design : Blown-Up: Dog has a cast on hind leg, holds crutch on front leg, cartoon sot-faced gag, mangled sooty fur. Duck has ruffled feathers with a few bald patches. (Based off of Super Duck Hunt's free shooting minigame) : Assault Attire : Assault Attire : Protean: Fire (rocky, molten-lava skin texture), Grass (green moss & sod skin texture), Dark (whispy shadows with a purple aura), Flying (smoky whitish-lavender wind wisps), Electric (grey metallic with alternating yellow details & caution lines with sections of lights flowing with lighting), Poison (Slimey purple, muddling skin with animated dripping texture), Rock (craggy, tan rock skin texture with blockier composition), Psychic (segmented joints with magical purple aura coalescing within, magenta crystalline skin with details stylized after ancient idols) : Wedding Veil, Bouquet Hat, Sombrero, Maiden's Bonnet, EXP Share, Pompom Cap : Kokiri Tunic Redesign, Goron Tunic Redesign, Zora Tunic Redesign : Hot Springs Scramble Yukata : Mr. L : Mario All-Stars Tuxedo & Top Hat : FE1 Design : Normal w/o mask, Samurai Meta Knight (1 w/o mask) (from Quick Draw sub-game) : Retro KI Design : Normal w/ feathered cap & winged boots, Ms. Pac-Man : Houndsooth Fedora, Japanese Bath Cap, Naval Tricorn, Polo-Stripe Beanie, Luchadore Mask, Pop-Star Ribbon /: Light vs. Dark Gladiator's Armor : Redesigns styled after Nintendo systems: SNES, Virtual Boy, N64, Gamecube, Wii, Wii U /: Grandmaster : Conductor, Outset Island /: More appearances for unused Wild World/City Folk face presets, 4 each : Jungle Gear : Justin Bailey Suit
PREDICTION
Magolor
Chance - 8.46% Want - 9.47%
NOMINATIONS
*Concept: No DLC Characters After Fighter Ballot x3 Galacta Knight x1 Prof. Layton x1
Might as well alternate between the professor and the merchant. Especially since I can see one of them catch more vote momentum than the other.
Her hyrule warriors new outfit is sublime, beautiful, and just awesome. Just imagine that outfit in smash. I'm actually gutted Zelda has her TP design again but redesigned.
I also really love her Skyward Sword design. Take notes, Sakurai!!!
Lucina needs a costume with her mask on! I was really disappointed when it was just a taunt unlike Guile's sunglasses in SF.
I have other suggestions but they might not make it in. DK should have an alt of chunky. Would be cool.
THANK GOD
INKLINGS DECONFIRMED
Now we can get them off the stupid ballot...
Before anyone says "but the miis have a link and megaman costume!," those characters were already in the game. Making Inklin mii costumes pretty much destroys any chance they have of being in this Smash. And this is what they deserve. Their game hasn't even released yet. It looks good, but it could SUCK. And if they made an Inkling character and the game Splatoon sucked, well great now we have a character no one likes or plays. Mii costumes is all the Smash advertising they need.
Yeah, IceClimbers for the NES and Kid Icarus were such good and memorable games ¬¬...
This isn't about quality, is just to make money, and the hype for the inklings is prett high, IMO they wasted a DLC character option that is more relevant than Lucas.
If I have to choose between them, I would choose the Squids...
I remember there was a Top 10 of chances and want in the OP or RTC, I thought it could be cool it we had them here as well
Top 10 of chances
*Seemingly leaked character
Top 10 of want
I'm going to update this every time a character reaches top 10 of chances and/or want. Or quits it after a rerate
I'm also curious to know whether we will be rating more than one thing per day at some point in the future. The frontrunner characters and concepts will have been rated rather quickly if you ask me, and nominations will sooner or later start to have the top go ridiculously high (we're almost at 170 currently, soon it will be about 200 it seems).
Edit: pics updated for a better font + fixed a black spot on Banjo-Kazooie
I want to post this on the OP. Can you post a link to the images so I can get the image URLs?
DLC costumes
Chance: 70% - This just seems rather likely. If they can give us new Mii outfits, then more alts should be just around the corner.
Want: 50% - It would depend entirely on what type of costumes we get.
Magolor prediction: 9%
Nominations: DLC Music pack x5
DAY OVER
PLEASE WAIT WHILE I CALCULATE THE RESULTS
I want to post this on the OP. Can you post a link to the images so I can get the image URLs?
DLC costumes
Chance: 70% - This just seems rather likely. If they can give us new Mii outfits, then more alts should be just around the corner.
Want: 50% - It would depend entirely on what type of costumes we get.
Magolor prediction: 9%
Nominations: DLC Music pack x5
DAY OVER
PLEASE WAIT WHILE I CALCULATE THE RESULTS
This idea turned out to be very popular and many people consider it likely. Next up we're rating Magolor from Kirby's Return to Dreamland. Also please predict what score Midna and Wolf Link will get tomorrow.
Magalor chance: 1%. I have literally seen 0 support for him wherever I go, and I have been on Redit, 4chan, 2chan, and here. He isn't even shown on weekly poll results. Bandanna Dee is more popular, and he has more potential.
Want: 65%. I actually really liked return to dream land.
Midna and Wolf Link prediction: 34.55%.
Nominations: Characters coming out to promote new games x2.
New Inklings Rating x3
Neither of those ideas seem to work on Ipad, but I'm not much of a computer expert so maybe I'm just doing something wrong. If someone could just post a link to those images so I can copy the address, I should be able to take it from there.
Neither of those ideas seem to work on Ipad, but I'm not much of a computer expert so maybe I'm just doing something wrong. If someone could just post a link to those images so I can copy the address, I should be able to take it from there.
Again, he's a post-Sakurai era Kirby character who isn't even as prominent as Bandana Dee. Maggie was lucky enough to get his own trophy in Smash 4, so he's certainly not impossible, but his lack of support from fans severely hurts his chances.
Chance: 75%
He certainly would be an interesting inclusion in a Smash Bros. game.
Magalor Chance:
5%
Unfortunately, I don't really see him being a candidate for the poll at all, I barely seen much Magolor support aside from the Bandanna Dee thread. There's not much demand for him to considered for a ballot candidate. Magolor hasn't been used much as a mainline Kirby character since his debut in Return to Dreamland, less so than Bandanna Dee himself.
Can't say he has a strong chance unless there's a new game staring him.
Magolor Want:
5% Not sure where the appeal of Magolor comes from exactly TBH
Midna and Wolf Link Prediction:
5.53% Has there been loud recent demand for these guys?
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