R.I.P. Kjell Anders "Nappy" Peterson.

Infern Angelis · Dec 22, 2009

Today, u dont play snake, what r u doing in my boards? lol

.Marik · Dec 22, 2009

I'm starting to play Snake again, just got to practice with him more.

So you'll be seeing me around.

Snake is too beast.

Nic64 · Dec 22, 2009

TwentyTwo said:
I mean you could always argue that diddy is better, but he has matchups that people have argued to be hard counters like luigi.

I've heard people say Peach and Luigi are worse for Diddy than anything for Snake but idk, in my admittedly much more limited time playing Diddy I haven't found either of those matchups to be harder than Snake vs DDD. I also think Diddy tends to do better vs the more common and good characters like MK/DDD/Marth. Maybe some bias because I main MK and Diddy is much harder for MK than Snake IMO, but because of how pervasive MK is I'd say your matchup vs him alone is more important than your matchup vs Peach and Luigi combined.

People are talking a lot of stuff about Ally willing to counterpick now, but I don't see what the big deal is, he's clearly a talented player who can win with less effort if he switches characters, so why not? It's not as if he dropped snake or something.

He didn't just start counterpicking, he actually felt the need to come out and basically say "**** this game, too much stupid **** happens to me if I play only Snake". For a long time people(MK mains) have pointed to him and said "see, Snake is just as good and can be just as successful as MK", except no one goes from a pure MK main to "wow so much gay **** happens to me if I only play MK, **** this."

Today · Dec 22, 2009

Infern Angelis said:
Today, u dont play snake, what r u doing in my boards? lol

Whaaat? He's my secondary! Besides, I really love the Snake boards. D: Don't be jealous!

Yumewomiteru · Dec 22, 2009

Nic64 said:
He didn't just start counterpicking, he actually felt the need to come out and basically say "**** this game, too much stupid **** happens to me if I play only Snake". For a long time people(MK mains) have pointed to him and said "see, Snake is just as good and can be just as successful as MK", except no one goes from a pure MK main to "wow so much gay **** happens to me if I only play MK, **** this."

LOL, I really like this example, it shows how tough it is to outgay MK.

Darkshadow7827 · Dec 22, 2009

Today said:
Whaaat? He's my secondary! Besides, I really love the Snake boards. D: Don't be jealous!

Woooo! That's right! Snake boreds is where it's at!

.Marik · Dec 22, 2009

Poor Ally got 7th at Winterfest.

I sadfaced when I heard.

Eternal Yoshi · Dec 22, 2009

All the hitboxes of ftilt have a tripping rate of 0%. The tripping has to with the hex angle 169, aka the Sakurai angle.
The Sakurai angle causes moves to induce tripping regardless of rate.

Shield stun and hit stun aren't specified at all in Brawlbox or PSA, just the animations.
The stun occurs at the first frame of the animations.
If there's a formula for finding hitstun for a move, like if it's based on damage or base knockback, please post here so I can include it in my update.

TwentyTwo · Dec 22, 2009

Nic64 said:
I've heard people say Peach and Luigi are worse for Diddy than anything for Snake but idk, in my admittedly much more limited time playing Diddy I haven't found either of those matchups to be harder than Snake vs DDD. I also think Diddy tends to do better vs the more common and good characters like MK/DDD/Marth. Maybe some bias because I main MK and Diddy is much harder for MK than Snake IMO, but because of how pervasive MK is I'd say your matchup vs him alone is more important than your matchup vs Peach and Luigi combined.

He didn't just start counterpicking, he actually felt the need to come out and basically say "**** this game, too much stupid **** happens to me if I play only Snake". For a long time people(MK mains) have pointed to him and said "see, Snake is just as good and can be just as successful as MK", except no one goes from a pure MK main to "wow so much gay **** happens to me if I only play MK, **** this."

I can't say that I know, I come from a fairly diverse regions, our top 10 has like 1 mk lol. <3 MD/VA. The way I figure though in terms of tier placement, it's about what's possible and not always what is the case. While those characters are not the most common, it is taken into account for placing diddy, doesn't he also have a noticeably bad matchup against falco?

I read his post, it sounded to me he got frustrated because it was a close match and he input a command that didn't come out, and he was saying he could definitely win with it being much less close and less effort had he used MK/Diddy.

UltimateRazer · Dec 22, 2009

Does anyone else feel like one of snake's biggest weakness is attacking someones shield?

Like a D3, MK, or diddy?

Anyone?

.Marik · Dec 22, 2009

^ Winterfest was pretty intense, eh?

Yumewomiteru · Dec 22, 2009

Eternal Yoshi said:
All the hitboxes of ftilt have a tripping rate of 0%. The tripping has to with the hex angle 169, aka the Sakurai angle.
The Sakurai angle causes moves to induce tripping regardless of rate.

Shield stun and hit stun aren't specified at all in Brawlbox or PSA, just the animations.
The stun occurs at the first frame of the animations.
If there's a formula for finding hitstun for a move, like if it's based on damage or base knockback, please post here so I can include it in my update.

Wow thats really interesting, so your basically saying that if they DI just the right way they will trip?

TwentyTwo said:
I can't say that I know, I come from a fairly diverse regions, our top 10 has like 1 mk lol. <3 MD/VA. The way I figure though in terms of tier placement, it's about what's possible and not always what is the case. While those characters are not the most common, it is taken into account for placing diddy, doesn't he also have a noticeably bad matchup against falco?

I read his post, it sounded to me he got frustrated because it was a close match and he input a command that didn't come out, and he was saying he could definitely win with it being much less close and less effort had he used MK/Diddy.

lol, our top 10 has no MKs, I think Diddy has a chance of surpassing Snake, I mean look at the last Hobo, like 3 Diddys in the top 5, his metagame is just getting better while Snake's is sort of stalling out.

UltimateRazer said:
Does anyone else feel like one of snake's biggest weakness is attacking someones shield?

Like a D3, MK, or diddy?

Anyone?

lol, attacking Dedede's shield is an invitation to get grabbed. But Snake does have a very good shield poker in nair.

Nic64 · Dec 22, 2009

doesn't he also have a noticeably bad matchup against falco?

It's disadvantaged, I wouldn't call it "bad" though. Also loses slightly to Wario IIRC, other peoples opinions I haven't played either side of that matchup really.

Does anyone else feel like one of snake's biggest weakness is attacking someones shield?

It's a weakness that he has nothing that is safe on the block, but just one among many IMO

TwentyTwo · Dec 22, 2009

UltimateRazer said:
Does anyone else feel like one of snake's biggest weakness is attacking someones shield?

Like a D3, MK, or diddy?

Anyone?

Well, diddy is known for pretty absurd OOS options when he has a banana in hand.

D3 just has a really **** grab range.

MK dash grabs, and SL OOS.

Spaced Ftilt1 is pretty safe when spaced though. Honestly I hate attacking shields too, I generally try to keep a grenade around when I'm going to.

phi1ny3 · Dec 22, 2009

The problem is that snake extends his hurtbox a tooooon imo when he ftilts, which is not abusable unless it's used on shield.

Darkshadow7827 · Dec 22, 2009

I gotta stop ftilt2 when the first is shielded. D*** my horrible rxn time.

@ Yume: 1) how did you do in the tourney? 2) What do you think about my friend, the fox guy? I know he does some noob mistakes (fsmash 3x in a row? Roll too much.) but he's willing to learn... kinda. If I can get him into a competitive mindset and make him admit that Fox isn't F-tier, he'll improve a lot.

-Ran · Dec 22, 2009

UltimateRazer said:
Does anyone else feel like one of snake's biggest weakness is attacking someones shield?

Like a D3, MK, or diddy?

Anyone?

And Falco.

Snake is at his best when he has a lead, where his opponent has to approach, but when Snake is having to approach...

xLeafybug =D · Dec 22, 2009

What Ran said.

What are you l00zas getting/buying for whatever the hell you people celebrate on the holiday season?

-Ran · Dec 22, 2009

Also Banana + Shield is one of the strongest defenses in the game.

Darkshadow7827 · Dec 22, 2009

xLeafybug =D said:
What Ran said.

What are you l00zas getting/buying for whatever the hell you people celebrate on the holiday season?

We don't do presents anymore. The only lasting tradition in my family is a bunch of scratch tickets. Gonna get lucky this year, com'on!

ErikG · Dec 22, 2009

I bought my sister candy and my mom a CD.

I figured out the gayest team: Marth and Pit

Berserker. · Dec 22, 2009

I think it's Mario and ICs

xLeafybug =D · Dec 22, 2009

I don't do presents. I don't celebrate marketing. My family came to the conclusion that if any of us want anything, just ask for it during the year.

Darkshadow7827 · Dec 22, 2009

xLeafybug =D said:
I don't do presents. I don't celebrate marketing. My family came to the conclusion that if any of us want anything, just ask for it during the year.

Yea, pretty much the same as us. I hate seeing billions of crappy toy commercials during the holiday season. Valentines is all about marketing.

UltimateRazer · Dec 22, 2009

Yay, I'm not alone. Yeah the players that just sit and wait make it hard for you to attack shields.

.

Also, I don't think I'm going to pound, but VC instead.

-Ran · Dec 22, 2009

If a character has a strong OOS game, Snake's usefulness drops drastically. @.@ Snake doesn't really have a move that punishes Shields, except for grabbing. However, most of the characters that have good OOS game have grab ranges on par, or better than Snake.

Infern Angelis · Dec 22, 2009

UltimateRazer said:
Also, I don't think I'm going to pound, but VC instead.

Sad face, i was looking to MM you or something

napZzz · Dec 23, 2009

snake is slowly getting worse and worse my fellow snake mains.....

WE NEED TO MAKE HIM BETTER SOMEHOW!

also, people who have the patience to camp snake are awfully rude and annoying =___=

Nic64 · Dec 23, 2009

also, people who have the patience to camp snake are awfully rude and annoying =___=

Air camping Snake is fun :D

Grenades are hilarious especially if you have a stock lead, they don't do anything useful for 3 seconds IT'S SO HARD TO AVOID GETTING KILLED LOL

Berserker. · Dec 23, 2009

Air camping Snake is fun :D

Wario

I think I realized something, why is it that all the D-tier characters have worse MUs than the E-tier characters O_o?

Yumewomiteru · Dec 23, 2009

Darkshadow7827 said:
I gotta stop ftilt2 when the first is shielded. D*** my horrible rxn time.

@ Yume: 1) how did you do in the tourney? 2) What do you think about my friend, the fox guy? I know he does some noob mistakes (fsmash 3x in a row? Roll too much.) but he's willing to learn... kinda. If I can get him into a competitive mindset and make him admit that Fox isn't F-tier, he'll improve a lot.

Yeah he does make ALOT of n00bie mistakes, like not figuring out how to recover against my falco so i kept throwing him offstage till he died. But as long as he has better players to play against like you, NEU kids, BU kids, and Fatal? he will def improve.

-NaPPy said:
snake is slowly getting worse and worse my fellow snake mains.....

WE NEED TO MAKE HIM BETTER SOMEHOW!

also, people who have the patience to camp snake are awfully rude and annoying =___=

I've being playing the Snake Dedede matchup for the past month now, I think I'm coming closer and closer to make that matchup almost even. If you play it right Dedede shouldn't be able to juggle you, and I have being able to avoid getting gimped for a while now.

Underload · Dec 23, 2009

Make Snake better: place well in tourney. That's all it boils down to.

The reason people practice? To eventually place better.
The reason people theorycraft? To eventually place better.

You get the idea.

napZzz · Dec 23, 2009

Nic64 said:
Air camping Snake is fun :D

Grenades are hilarious especially if you have a stock lead, they don't do anything useful for 3 seconds IT'S SO HARD TO AVOID GETTING KILLED LOL

snake...sort of has tools to combat air camping, but more often than not he's gonna get punished trying to knock people away in the air =_=

Underload said:
Make Snake better: place well in tourney. That's all it boils down to.

The reason people practice? To eventually place better.
The reason people theorycraft? To eventually place better.

You get the idea.

so how hard did fino wreck colorado? : )

6Mizu · Dec 23, 2009

LOL

Underload · Dec 23, 2009

<----Is going to stream himself playing MGS3 / NSMBWii in 10 minutes, and you're going to watch!

Yumewomiteru · Dec 23, 2009

<----- is not going to watch. ^.^

Underload · Dec 23, 2009

^is a ******^

6Mizu · Dec 23, 2009

^ what Yume said.

Btw Yume I'm not quitting Snake....look under Snake stuff.

xLeafybug =D · Dec 23, 2009

I'd watch it Undies.

Underload · Dec 23, 2009

Yay!

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