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I R MarF
Smash Ace
So what changes are being applied to Diddy? I am aware of the fact that trips on banannas are techable, but are there any other changes being done to him? Or was the transition to melee physics very natural?
Dantarion
Smash Champion
BTW, I am pretty sure I can fix IC grabs however I want.
I haven't even tried yet.
I haven't even tried yet.
ManEg
Smash Journeyman
Yeah, we know the wizard does as he pleases xD
edit: is fox's/falco's meteor smash returning as well?
edit: is fox's/falco's meteor smash returning as well?
ManEg
Smash Journeyman
I was playing melee now and remembered their dthrow meteor smash, it's really not that useful, but fun to do nonetheless.
I R MarF
Smash Ace
Falco has a spike (dair) and two meteors (side b and dthrow)
Fox has two meteors (dair and dthrow)
Since melee data is being added, it should be the same for physical attacks. However, I think the devs mentioned throws being hardly worked on for any char so the dthrow meteors are most likely not restored... yet.
Then again, I am not familiar with the vbrawl throws. So they could very well already have similar meteor dthrows.
Fox has two meteors (dair and dthrow)
Since melee data is being added, it should be the same for physical attacks. However, I think the devs mentioned throws being hardly worked on for any char so the dthrow meteors are most likely not restored... yet.
Then again, I am not familiar with the vbrawl throws. So they could very well already have similar meteor dthrows.
Contrary to popular belief Dantarion is actually a god. ****.
hotdogturtle
Smash Master
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Big Blue already has a competitively viable alternative form (I'm not sure if it's actually being added to PM, but it's been made by FrozenHobo already).
make a code that somehow stops infs at certain percents.
Luxor
Smash Champion
Combos > infs. If Dant can make Random Nana AI, I say bring that back, eliminate wobbling, and maybe buff grab combos in some way, like changing up one of their moves to make Dthrow combos work really well.
Starscream
Smash Ace
And then what is the merit for deciding what percent that should be?
I like how people fail to realize what is and isn't good design for a competitive/tournament style fighting game.
You have to realize that in a well designed tournament fighting game, that infinites have no place.
But if you're honestly adamant in keeping CGs while removing infinites, you have to set an arbitrary limit. There isnt any other way. There is no pre-made plan or formula or design you can follow. When you burn new ground, you have the pick the direction you go in and whatnot. And that's completely up to you and what you think/feel/believe.
if you can't handle that, then
Or you can just remove the CGs and Infinites completely and redesign the character like they tried to do with Wario and Snake and MK.
You have to realize that in a well designed tournament fighting game, that infinites have no place.
But if you're honestly adamant in keeping CGs while removing infinites, you have to set an arbitrary limit. There isnt any other way. There is no pre-made plan or formula or design you can follow. When you burn new ground, you have the pick the direction you go in and whatnot. And that's completely up to you and what you think/feel/believe.
if you can't handle that, then
Or you can just remove the CGs and Infinites completely and redesign the character like they tried to do with Wario and Snake and MK.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
If they re-design the character, re-design should be based around the original Ice Climbers game and have dodgy animations and gameplay that is not true at all to the original character.
AMIDOINITRITE?
AMIDOINITRITE?
Darkshooter
Smash Ace
Even more of my "SSBM 2" soundtrack and with it, more proof that I have the worst tastes out of everyone here on Smash Boards...
Also, how is Meta Knight going to be redesigned (If at all)?
Past 200% it is just stalling. There's your merit.
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there's a point where it's impossible to prevent something from happening via coding/design without at the same time sacrificing something we wish to keep. for example, we want to keep jigglypuff's rising pound, high aerail mobility, slow falling speed, jump amount, etc. as far as her recovery goes, but we don't want puff players to stall with it. what do we do there? there's no way we can program an aspect of jigglypuff without sacrificing this aspect.
solution: ban stalling.
overall though I do see your point and agree in principle, though not always in practice.
a lot of the "+" stages are actually not legal in a Project M setting, and I don't understand why they are in any environment.
curry9186
Smash Journeyman
Awww, why not? Some of them are really good. Rumble Falls+ is obviously the best one, then Summit+, but what's wrong with the others?
Sovereign
Game Reaper
Darkshooter, you have Junkie XL, BT, and The Crystal Method. It's apparent that you play a lot of racing game, plus have good taste in music.
Darkshooter
Smash Ace
In all seriousness though, yes I do. Ive been playing racing games ever since I first discovered them. V Rally and Gran Turismo were my childhood heroes back then.
cubaisdeath
Smash Lord
hes not getting a super make over, but he plays nothing like any of his other brawl counterparts for sure.
ValTroX
Smash Ace
question, is there a way to remove the character collapsing with each other when they are on hitstun?(I believe it's called deadweight) In melee, they only collapsed when they were thrown, not from every attack
Revven
FrankerZ
Fixed already Valtrox, well over a few months now... they only hit each other when someone throws them.
i.e Mario Bthrows and someone is in the way of the person being thrown so the person that was thrown hits them away as well.
I'm surprised no one noticed that being fixed given JCz's streams almost always have an hour or so dedicated to teams...
i.e Mario Bthrows and someone is in the way of the person being thrown so the person that was thrown hits them away as well.
I'm surprised no one noticed that being fixed given JCz's streams almost always have an hour or so dedicated to teams...
ValTroX
Smash Ace
NICE, good to hear Falco, I guess i wasn't looking close enough or weren't looking for it xD. I just thought of it and decided to ask 
Starscream
Smash Ace
Ulevo
Smash Master
According to who, exactly?
I am not arguing my personal opinion on whether or not I believe infinites deserve a place in Project: M or any other fighting game, but not only should you realize this is entirely a matter of perspective, but infinites in Smash Bros. are different than infinites in traditional fighters in many cases, and thus their applicable effects in competition vary. You cannot expect to flaunt an opinion like that “just cause“ and expect to be taken seriously.
If you do not like infinites, sure. I have yet to hear a reason other than not liking infinites as to why they are exactly bad when applicable to Smash (i.e. Wobbling) when they do not create broken characters. Now, if the effects of the infinites do create broken characters, that is an entirely different matter.
Ulevo
Smash Master
That is awesome news Shanus. Thanks for the update.
On another note, which of the Brawl+ stages are you looking to include in Project: M so far?
Darkshooter
Smash Ace
Would it be wrong to ask for some gameplay of him in Project M?
Also, heres hoping itll be these four that return to SSBM 2 (If they consider at all):
This is why the Smash community loves people just like you.
curry9186
Smash Journeyman
To add to that, which stages are getting straight up replaced?
Shadic
Alakadoof?
Stagelist is still to be determined. I just moved a few stages around earlier this week, in fact. We've also not implemented the Stage Engine or whatever, so things may get totally reworked later on.
I will say that I've added a newish stage over Hyrule Temple, and that we're still using SSE Jungle.
I will say that I've added a newish stage over Hyrule Temple, and that we're still using SSE Jungle.
curry9186
Smash Journeyman
Is it your fixed hyrule temple stage?
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Why not 200%? And why does it matter?
You don't need a specific reason for the percentage and who decides it, it just leads to pointless arguing. If 200% stops stalling (which it would), then who cares?
Infinites lead to degenerative gameplay. This is the same reason we ban stages like Hyrule Temple. Sure, you can technically play competitively on it, but it becomes a game of "Super Run Away Brothers Melee". Just as playing with infinites becomes "Super Infinite Brothers Melee".
JCaesar
Smash Hero
How about this?
A player should never have their input/control entirely removed from the game. Excluding at low %s when it's still realistic to wiggle out, this is exactly what happens during both wobbling and Brawl infinites. During other combos, you can at least DI, even if you're in hitstun the entire time.
Note that in Brawl you cannot DI if you don't go into tumble, so there are some unDIable combos at low %s in P:M, but we're fixing the ones we can, and maybe our coding wizard will grace us with a more permanent solution.
FireBall Stars
Smash Ace
To be precise
in a game that you can DI on most combos unless when you are obviously unable to escape(low percents), infinites(including locks on walls) are just...
out of place.
in a game that you can DI on most combos unless when you are obviously unable to escape(low percents), infinites(including locks on walls) are just...
out of place.
Juushichi
sugoi ~ sugoi ~
I'm wondering, since I'm not particularly familiar with the Melee scene as much as I should be... but when was the last time an IC main won a tournament? I've heard of at least a handful of good/notable IC's, but how much of a threat are they?
This isn't relating much to infinites or anything, I was just wondering.
For the record, though... wall locks are you making a costly, but easily avoidable mistake 98% of the time. You generally have no reason to get wall locked.
This isn't relating much to infinites or anything, I was just wondering.
For the record, though... wall locks are you making a costly, but easily avoidable mistake 98% of the time. You generally have no reason to get wall locked.
I R MarF
Smash Ace
IMO, SSE Jungle should be reduced in size. The platforms seem a little massive. That could just be me though.
Also, could you create a custom stage select screen? One that is divided up into neutrals, counter picks, and banned stages for categories?
Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
They aren't a huge threat in the modern scene. Wobbles is the best at the moment by a decent margin and he wins pretty big tourneys often. Other ICs who win tourneys sometimes are Chu, Trail, UberIce, and me.
edit: Actually, I'm not sure how often all of those players win tourneys, but they do well nonetheless.
OmegaXis
Smash Cadet
I approve of this idea. A lot. The one in Brawl+ was a mess.
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