Project M 3.5 Blogpost #6 Covers Ledge Stalling

[JipC]

At first I thought they just nerfed the invincibility in general but then I realized its only after 5 ledge grabs
I'm okay with this
I'll enjoy my chudat'ing while I still have it though

 

[Une]

Meanwhile the faint sound of M2K crying in despair was heard from miles away

 

[GoldHazard]

This is a very solid global nerf. This will force players to play much more tactically rather than using ledge stalling as a bait tactic or to just wall-out a match/set.

In PMDT we trust.

 

[beestmode]

5 times seems more then fair. I like the new idea. Great job Project M team!

 

[goodspeed87]

Should be 3 grabs, 5 is too much.

 

[GoodJobDino]

Smashing idea!!!

 

[ChickenWing13]

no release date yet?

 

[StarBot]

Much more elegant than Brawl2's approach, at the very least.

What's Brawl 2?

 

[Joe73191]

I can't believe people. It use to be infinite times that you grab the ledge you get invincibility. It has always been like that in every game. The PMDT change it to 5 times and people have the gall to complain that its still too much?!?!?!?! People it use to be infinite in every other game and it wasn't broken. Complaining about 5 still being too many makes you sound unpleaseable.

 

[Molma]

Prime example: Chudat's Kirby

not only does this apply to m2k and emukiller, but how did everyone forget about CHUDAT
he won't be camping the edge anymore to get kirbicides

At first I thought they just nerfed the invincibility in general but then I realized its only after 5 ledge grabs
I'm okay with this
I'll enjoy my chudat'ing while I still have it though

Am I the ONLY Kirby main that doesn't Kirbycide?

On-Topic: This mechanic change tho

 

[Gidy]

Poor Chudat

 

[Probalo]

I like this change! It's definitely for the better.

 

[DerfMidWest]

hmm. Definitely removes toxic gameplay mechanics for a lot of characters, but removing options from several characters is no good.

 

[GymleaderBen]

I'm bummed about some of the recoveries they're nerfing, but this is a change i can definitely get behind

 

[hakaithesamurai]

Project M keeps getting better and better

 

[drsusredfish]

grab ledge, drop off, jump, wave land backwards, re grab ledge. Isn't that a thing?

Do we need 5 ledge grabs? Would 3 be better? 5 still feels like staling. And things like this usually just come in 3's.

Is touching the floor the only way to refresh the invincibility? Getting hit should refresh it too.

edit: read the full post questions answered. ignore me.

 

[Malkasaur]

What's Brawl 2?

Brawl 2 is what some people are calling Smash 4. Those people are also what I like to call wrong.

 

[ShadowGanon]

Brawl 2 is what some people are calling Smash 4. Those people are also what I like to call wrong.

Yes, they are wrong. It's Brawl 2.0. You gotta remember to put that .0 in there
#TrollSoHardTheyCallMeTrollSoHard

 

[QuickRat]

M2K must be crying somewhere

 

[Zoma]

Not a fan. I feel like it will have unintended consequences, because it's absolutely possible to grab the ledge five times in non-stalling situations.

 

[TreK]

I think 5 is still too high. A ledge snap gives you half a second of invincibility, so you can get up to 2.5 seconds of invincibility, plus a ledge action giving you 3 seconds in total. That's still enough to brainlessly camp out the respawn invincibility and that was my main gripe with ledge stalling.

Maybe it's just because I play a tether character but imho, if you can't find yourself, or create yourself an opportunity to recover within 3 ledge snaps, then you don't deserve to recover in the first place.

 

[King Kei]

I'm rather excited for this update. Newer mechanics brought to Brawl's mod makes it feel a bit better and this should improve the competitive scene with P:M and should bring a bit more players to it.

 

[Dr. Dobis]

sorry sheik

 

[Kaiju]

Rip in pieces M2K.

 

[Spaghetti Falco]

Rest in kill M2K

 

[WaveDashCash]

The annihilation of these annoying mechanics puts me ON EDGE.
Project M looks to be ironing out all of Smash's unpleasant aspects.

 

[lDigitalisml]

LOL rip sheik in PM.

 

[Burning]

The annihilation of these annoying mechanics puts me ON EDGE

OFF TOPIC:

Back on topic; I'm glad this is being removed. It irritates me watching Chudat's Kirby a lot. That tactic shouldn't even be allowed, good job to Project M devs for nerfing it I say.

I'm overall pretty hyped for the next update. I assume there's going to be one with the new stuff flagging up recently.

*I don't pay much attention to updates guys don't kill me pls*

 

[The_Woebegone_Jackal]

OMG can we PLEASE call this the M2K nerf? XD

Definitely think Chudat is the prime offender as far as ledge stalling goes.

 

[waterlong]

smash 4 showing us how its done

 

[Alondite]

This would be a whole lot better if it discouraged abusing ledge invincibility in the first place. Only limiting invincibility on 5 re-grabs accomplishes little on the gameplay side of things.

 

[Shirma Akayaku]

Can we remove the slow ledge get-up? Also, can we add this mechanic to Diddy's banana's? You know, having a time limit before it disappears is fine, but adding the number of trips on an individual banana (with the time limit) might better balance the game.

 

[darktiko]

Smash 4 mechanics?

the demo is out they played it. Others are impatient and buy the japanese version. (that's how we know duck hunt dog, and bowser jr. and other characters that haven't been mentioned in america are already old news.

 

[Daftatt]

I would just like to make clear that this was in the development build for 3.5 way before it was ever revealed in smash 4

 

[Ryu_Ken]

5 times? I would've assumed 3 or less ledge grabs before invincibility wears off cause I've never seen anyone grab the ledge more than 5 times in a match on average. Ah whatever.

 

[Pure Royalty]

im still waiting for some big mewtwo and pit nerfs

 

[Kink-Link5]

5 times? I would've assumed 3 or less ledge grabs before invincibility wears off cause I've never seen anyone grab the ledge more than 5 times in a match on average. Ah whatever.

That's entirely the point. For most people, regrabbing a few times in a row is common place to gather thoughts on how to most safely get back onto the actual stage. The limit is large enough to apply only to legitimate stalling and scamming.

 

[Cubelarooso]

I like how they used Melee characters to illustrate abusive tactics.

 

[Joe73191]

I don't like how people complain that even what they say is an improvement is not good enough for them. "Limiting invincibility is good but 5 is still to high make it lower." Really? Be happy that they fixed what you saw as a problem. Some people didn't even see it as a problem.

 

[$alsa]

Inb4 M2K makes a post ******** about edge hogging being nerfed